Logan (New Wolverine movie March 3rd 2017)

[YoNoSe]

But how can you blame him for any continuity issues in this movie?

I never did. People were talking about the X-movie continuity in this thread very recently.

FFS - you're still using lol smilies?

You're something, man.

 

[pturtle]

I never did. People were talking about the X-movie continuity in this thread very recently.

FFS - you're still using lol smilies?

You're something, man.

If you were replying to some earlier posts then I guess that makes sense, but at the time we were discussing when this movie takes place, so I figured you were blaming Singer for this movies continuity issue that we don't even knows exists yet.

I can't help but use , takes the edge off most my posts

 

[SNIKT1950]

I don't remember the clock showing the year, just the time. Why does Wolverine still have the 2023 grey hair if changing the future made him younger?

It was never 2023, it was always 2016. The 2023 date was assumed by audiences because Kitty says "50 years" to the Professor.

The grey hair is a side effect from the events of The Wolverine (2013) where Yashida almost stole his healing factor. It most probably caused permanent damage to his regenerative capabilities given his haggard look and frail condition in LOGAN.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

It was never 2023, it was always 2016. The 2023 date was assumed by audiences because
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Then the audience isn't assuming anything. The film is telling us Logan has to go back 50 years And if it was 2016, it still would make no sense because The Wolverine (film) ending is 2015 when his hair was all black and not grey.

The grey hair is a side effect from the events of The Wolverine (2013) where Yashida almost stole his healing factor. It most probably caused permanent damage to his regenerative capabilities given his haggard look and frail condition in LOGAN.

Now you're making things up. At the end of The Wolverine film at the airport which takes place two years later, his hair was black. Not only that, by changing the future, the Japan stuff never happened, so no side effects either.

Grey hair Wolverine = 2023 DOFP

 

[Khev]

All film series' have entries that that are of so so or subpar quality. Star Wars, Marvel, Superman, Batman, X-Men, ALIEN, Terminator, Die Hard, Indiana Jones, Spider-Man, Bond, DCEU, Jaws, Back to the Future, RoboCop, many would even include the Hobbit films, etc., etc., so singling out any one (other than the Fantastic Four) is pretty superfluous. It's all about the great films that are left when you trim the fat.

 

[DiFabio]

None of the X-Men movies have a coherent timeline. Best not to think about it and just watch and judge each movie on it's own merits. The time line is whacked.

 

[Khev]

None of the X-Men movies have a coherent timeline. Best not to think about it and just watch and judge each movie on it's own merits. The time line is whacked.

George Miller has gone on record multiple times that the four Mad Max films don't have a cut and dry linear timeline and people never seemed to mind.

 

[DiFabio]

Yeah that's how I view the Mad Max movies as well, James Bond too. As long as the movie and story are good, I don't really care about how it fits with what precedes or follows it. Most franchises have their inconsistencies with the sequels.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

The Bond films are hilarious because Bond always ends up kissing with a new "Bond girl" at the end of every film, but the girls never come back.

 

[pturtle]

All film series' have entries that that are of so so or subpar quality. Star Wars, Marvel, Superman, Batman, X-Men, ALIEN, Terminator, Die Hard, Indiana Jones, Spider-Man, Bond, DCEU, Jaws, Back to the Future, RoboCop, many would even include the Hobbit films, etc., etc., so singling out any one (other than the Fantastic Four) is pretty superfluous. It's all about the great films that are left when you trim the fat.

That's what I've been saying, even if this movie takes place a year after DOFP (it won't) it wouldn't hinder my enjoyment of the movie one bit if it does indeed turn out to be a good movie.

None of the X-Men movies have a coherent timeline. Best not to think about it and just watch and judge each movie on it's own merits. The time line is whacked.

Yup, and to be honest the one movie in the franchise that really has and caused most of the continuity issues was First Class. That doesn't stop me from enjoying that movie one bit.

 

[Khev]

Yeah that's how I view the Mad Max movies as well, James Bond too. As long as the movie and story are good, I don't really care about how it fits with what precedes or follows it. Most franchises have their inconsistencies with the sequels.

Hell the original Star Wars has two actors playing Wedge just minutes apart. Most franchises at least wait until the sequel before recasting.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Then the audience isn't assuming anything. The film is telling us Logan has to go back 50 years And if it was 2016, it still would make no sense because The Wolverine (film) ending is 2015 when his hair was all black and not grey.

The Wolverine ending doesn't take place in 2015.

Singer says the future parts of DOFP take place 10 years after X3. Mangold says The Wolverine opens 1 year after X3.

So these are the dates:

DOFP Future sequences - 2016
The Wolverine airport stinger - 2009
The Wolverine - 2007
X3 - 2006
X2 - 2004
X1 - 2003
X3 opening - 1986
X-Men Origins, Post-Team X - 1979

Now you're making things up. At the end of The Wolverine film at the airport which takes place two years later, his hair was black. Not only that, by changing the future, the Japan stuff never happened, so no side effects either.

Grey hair Wolverine = 2023 DOFP

Not making anything up.

Mangold has said that what Yashida did to Wolvie would have long lasting effects. Nine years after he tried to steal Wolvie's healing factor, Wolvie has begun to develop grey streaks in his hair. That suggests his regeneration is now slowing.

Regarding the timeline being reset, as Beast puts it in DOFP - some events are destined to happen. Wolverine was destined to become Weapon X one way or another. You can assume Yashida found him in Timeline B just as he did in Timeline A.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

So these are the dates:

DOFP Future sequences - 2016
The Wolverine airport stinger - 2009
The Wolverine - 2007
X3 - 2006
X2 - 2004
X1 - 2003
X3 opening - 1986
X-Men Origins, Post-Team X - 1979

Nope, that timeline is wrong.

In X1, Xavier told Logan that "it has been almost 15 years of living day to day, moving from place to place with no memories of who or what you are."

1979-1980 + 15 = 1995 (X1)


I don't care what the directors say to cover their mistakes. I care what the films say and in DOFP they said Logan had to travel 50 years, which is 1973 + 50 = 2023

 

[SNIKT1950]

Nope, that timeline is wrong.

In X1, Xavier told Logan that it has been almost 15 years of him having no memories.

1979-1980 + 15 = 1995 (X1)

You make a good point, but the final battle of X-Men Origins is supposed to take place and caused the infamous Three Mile Island accident that occurred on March 28, 1979.

Like Xavier's "When I was 17 I met a man called Erik Lehnsherr..." comment, they're just small discrepancies.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

You make a good point, but the final battle of X-Men Origins is supposed to take place and caused the infamous Three Mile Island accident that occurred on March 28, 1979.

Like Xavier's "When I was 17 I met a man called Erik Lehnsherr..." comment, they're just small discrepancies.

Yeah, Xavier had dementia all along

 

[DiFabio]

It's not even the same Logan in each movie.

In X1 and X2, the Weapon X program with Stryker was in the 1980s. Logan didn't have bone claws (Stryker tells him he gave him claws in X2) and he was completely naked when he goes berserk and kills all the scientists and personnel in Alkali Lake. He loses his memory when he's submerged in water and the adamantium is grafted onto him (like Lady Deathstrike).

In Wolverine Origins, he has bone claws. Stryker is different, he undergoes the procedure in the 1970s and he loses his memory . . . from getting shot in the head later on. Cyclops is around at this time, somehow, and Xavier is already bald.

In X-Men: Apocalypse, it's the 80s. For some reason the X-Men are there (despite not being a thing until the 90s in the original movies since Cyclops, Jean and Storm are Xavier's first students. Logan goes through the procedure but has pants and that Weapon X computer visor thing from the comics and video games and runs into the X-Men.

It's all ****ed up. Don't even bother trying to make sense out of any of them.

 

[EVILFACE]

It's just a movie.

 

[DiFabio]

It's not real.

 

[EVILFACE]

And yea it still bugs me about the claws, he aint got bone ones in X1.

but the differences you list could all be the result of multiple time travel stories....

 

[SNIKT1950]

It's not even the same Logan in each movie.

In X1 and X2, the Weapon X program with Stryker was in the 1980s. Logan didn't have bone claws (Stryker tells him he gave him claws in X2) and he was completely naked when he goes berserk and kills all the scientists and personnel in Alkali Lake. He loses his memory when he's submerged in water and the adamantium is grafted onto him (like Lady Deathstrike).

In Wolverine Origins, he has bone claws. Stryker is different, he undergoes the procedure in the 1970s and he loses his memory . . . from getting shot in the head later on. Cyclops is around at this time, somehow, and Xavier is already bald.

In X-Men: Apocalypse, it's the 80s. For some reason the X-Men are there (despite not being a thing until the 90s in the original movies since Cyclops, Jean and Storm are Xavier's first students. Logan goes through the procedure but has pants and that Weapon X computer visor thing from the comics and video games and runs into the X-Men.

It's all ****ed up. Don't even bother trying to make sense out of any of them.

Its pretty simple.

Timeline A - Weapon X happens in 1979.

Timeline B - Weapon X happens at some point between 1973 & 1983.

*Brian Cox's X2 comment about the claws was filmed pre-Origin comic. Once Origin came out in 2002 & Lauren Donner read it, she made movie Wolvie's origin the same as it was in the comic.