LOST discussion - thar be spoilers ahead!

[McHavyck]

I have to go back and watch again, but at the beginning when they were drilling under the Orchid and they had the sonar readings of what was on the other side of the wall, was the wheel that Ben turned there at that point?

I thought I saw a cog shape.

 

[Shropt]

I have to go back and watch again, but at the beginning when they were drilling under the Orchid and they had the sonar readings of what was on the other side of the wall, was the wheel that Ben turned there at that point?

I thought I saw a cog shape.

Yes, the wheel was there.

 

[FlyAndFight]

Tom's theory is an excellent one and one that I agree with. The show is also slowly moving away from a "supernatural" theme to a more "scientific" theme.

One last thought: I think that "Smokie" is simply time trying to make self corrections on the meddlings made by the people. Kind of like removing people that should not be in that particular time line. They may be alive in another time-line, but for whatever reason they made it to another and should not be there, "Smokie" comes to clean up the mess.

 

[Shropt]

The only problem I see with the show now is that they will, at some point, need to explain who made the island and what is it.

I'm praying they don't "nuke the fridge" and have it be an alien spaceship. Though they've hinted at a spaceship at multiple points.

 

[barryo]

But the island has moved through time before hasn't it? Instead of Richard being immortal, he's just moving through time - and how is he doing it if not with the island?

But I think Tom's theories are probably pretty close.

down in the orchid wasnt the little room that the rabbits were placed into & what ben filled with metal used for the time travel teleporting thing???.....like when the bunnies disappeared?? which was seperate from the big wheel....right??

 

[tomandshell]

There has obviously been some limited/controlled time travel (Richard) but turning the wheel was a major island wide phenomenon. I think Ben turned the wheel to initiate the process in an attempt to "reboot" the timeline after Widmore's interference. Ben knew that the soldiers were taken care of, so the immediate physical threat to the island had passed, but the damage to the timeline had been done. He also thought the O6 were flying to a ship that was about to explode, so he might not have thought they could actually make it back to the mainland. (Dead people don't seem to be a problem compared to people leaving the island. He was willing to let them die but not leave.) Turning the wheel was a last resort intended to move the island back and reboot the timeline, but the O6 did indeed get off the island and now the course correction is failing.

 

[tomandshell]

I'm too lazy to check, but I'm assuming that the compass Richard gave to Locke (to give back to him in the past) was the same compass that Richard brought to Locke as a boy when he was tested.

 

[DarthNeil]

I'm too lazy to check, but I'm assuming that the compass Richard gave to Locke (to give back to him in the past) was the same compass that Richard brought to Locke as a boy when he was tested.

Awesome observation-- I had totally forgotten about that!!!

 

[Giant Chicken]

Why doesn't Walt have to return???
and will Sun's baby have to return since it was concieved there???

And Ben might have let the O6 go because he thought they would die but he also let Mike and Walt go and we know that they made it back to New York...

 

[LOTRFan]

Awesome observation-- I had totally forgotten about that!!!

Ouch, me too! I need to get all the seasons on Blu.

 

[tomandshell]

Maybe Michael and Walt were "supposed" to leave, but the O6 left as a result of Widmore's interference, so Walt's absence is a part of the correct timeline.

Not sure about Sun's baby--Sun seems the least likely to cooperate with Ben at this point, but if she gets back to the island and Jin washed ashore on a life preserver, he's going to want to see his baby.

Now does anybody have the smoke monster figured out?

 

[Agent0028]

Didn't Ben let Walt and Michael go in exchange for Michael helping him? If so then it makes sense that for whatever reason it was okay for them to leave.

 

[The ill Jedi]

I love this show, but this thread gives me a headache.

Great theories guys!

 

[Entropy]

Maybe Michael and Walt were "supposed" to leave, but the O6 left as a result of Widmore's interference, so Walt's absence is a part of the correct timeline.

Not sure about Sun's baby--Sun seems the least likely to cooperate with Ben at this point, but if she gets back to the island and Jin washed ashore on a life preserver, he's going to want to see his baby.

Now does anybody have the smoke monster figured out?

Good theories, Tom. I agree with most of it.

I think Sun will be convinced to go back, after threatening Jack's life, with the promise of a proper timeline being reset and Jin not dying in the boat explosion as a result. I thought so at the time it aired, and still think so, that they will return to the moment right before Jack calls the boat and Locke will shoot him, or more boringly Jack simply decides on his own not to call the boat, in the do-over. Jin lives. Alex and Rousseau live. Ben and Locke/Jacob both die and Kate and Jack end up trapped in the past, eventually becoming the Adam and Eve skeletons.

Still not sure how the list of "good" and "bad" people figures into The Other's plan. Jacob gives Ben the names of those needed based off his knowledge of how the timeline already played out/is supposed to be?

 

[tomandshell]

Still not sure how the list of "good" and "bad" people figures into The Other's plan. Jacob gives Ben the names of those needed based off his knowledge of how the timeline already played out/is supposed to be?

That's what I'm thinking--the lists have something to do with maintaining the correct chain of events.

 

[Giant Chicken]

Not sure about Sun's baby--Sun seems the least likely to cooperate with Ben at this point, but if she gets back to the island and Jin washed ashore on a life preserver, he's going to want to see his baby.

I do not see how Sun can bring her baby at this point. They have only 70 hours to return to the island and isn't Sun's baby in Japan with a nanny???



Also - Like the theory of jack and kate = adam and eve bodies.

 

[GrueSam]

Tom- I gotta say that your memory is amazingly sharp and that this thread, with your input, is just as fun for me to read as Lostpedia.

 

[Saya]

I love this show, but this thread gives me a headache.

Great theories guys!

no kidding. I have a hard enough time trying to figure out the mysteries of the show... this thread brings up more I've never thought of. I did however really enjoy the season premeir. I thought they did a good job answering alot of lingering questions.

 

[tomandshell]

I suppose that if Sun had stayed on the island, the baby would not have survived, so I wouldn't think that Ji-Yeon would have to return in order to fix the timeline. (Quite the opposite, actually.)

Jack and Kate are the best candidates I can think of for the cave skeletons--but maybe they will surprise us.

 

[tomandshell]

Tom- I gotta say that your memory is amazingly sharp and that this thread, with your input, is just as fun for me to read as Lostpedia.

I've always thought I had a mind like a steel sieve.