LOST discussion - thar be spoilers ahead!

[Michael Crawford]

Yea, it makes sense that the contenders themselves wouldn't know that Jacob and Smokey couldn't kill contenders - it would give too much power to the contenders. And not allowing contenders to kill other contenders makes sense too, since that would be way too easy (and they might have too much reason for doing it.) The only reason we know Jacob and Smokey can't kill them is because Jacob said it to Smokey (as the kid).

 

[Maglor]

Yea, it makes sense that the contenders themselves wouldn't know that Jacob and Smokey couldn't kill contenders - it would give too much power to the contenders. And not allowing contenders to kill other contenders makes sense too, since that would be way too easy (and they might have too much reason for doing it.) The only reason we know Jacob and Smokey can't kill them is because Jacob said it to Smokey (as the kid).

Wait... what?


1) We don't know that the kid was Jacob. (I personally think he was Aaron.)
2) We don't know who the kid was referring to. Maybe Sawyer, but maybe not.


So we don't really "know Jacob and Smokey can't kill them."


I'm just sayn'.

Lost makes it hard to justify making assumptions about a blot of things. Often we don't know who is who or who to believe.

 

[pixletwin]

It wasn't Aaron. I have no idea why people think it's Aaron.

 

[Something Sexy]

It wasn't Aaron. I have no idea why people think it's Aaron.

I agree it wasn't Aaron but LOST could easily pull some BS on us and be like " Errr grrr, time travel...errr grrrr...its Aaron".

 

[pixletwin]

Yeah but that isn't going to happen. They could say he is Charlie too and it would make about as much sense.

Seriously though, just because the kid has blond hair is no reason to assume he is Aaron. It seems quite clear to me that they hired the child actor they did because he actually resembles Mark Pellegrino who plays Jacob.

 

[Something Sexy]

Yeah but that isn't going to happen. They could say he is Charlie too and it would make about as much sense.

Ha, I wouldn't put it past them to do it....nothing makes much sense on this show anyway.

 

[pixletwin]

There's "making sense" and then there's "Heroes".

 

[Michael Crawford]

Wait... what?


1) We don't know that the kid was Jacob. (I personally think he was Aaron.)
2) We don't know who the kid was referring to. Maybe Sawyer, but maybe not.


So we don't really "know Jacob and Smokey can't kill them."


I'm just sayn'.

Lost makes it hard to justify making assumptions about a blot of things. Often we don't know who is who or who to believe.

I too have no idea - beyond the blonde hair - why anyone thinks the kid was Aaron.

And the kid wasn't refering to Sawyer - no reason to assume that. Clearly Smokey was trying to recruit Sawyer, just as he was Sayid. I think he was refering to Jack, the contender that Jacob was working to recruit, but it's debatable. What I think is obvious is he was refering to SOME contender. I don't think that Smokey or Jacob can't actually kill anyone they want - but it's a 'rule', and Jacob was reminding Smokey of it, lest he get a little too out of control. Which leads us back to the possibility that Smokey isn't as out of control as we are being led to believe, and rather still playing out the 'testing' of the contenders.

Likewise, Dugen could have killed Sawyer. He didn't because he's still playing by the 'rules'. That fact itself is interesting - if there are rules to what they do, but Jacob is really dead dead, then why would Dugen still be following them? That's why I think that much of what is being presumed philosophically - who's good, who's bad, what their motivations are, etc. - are going to end up turned upside down before the end.

It's certainly going to be an interesting 12 hours of television...

 

[Kuzeh]

Awesome episode!!!
Sayid rocks!!!
The fight between him and Dogen was awesome!!
Reminded me of the one between Juliette and Charlotte


So seems like things are going full steam now... and seems like Ben will be gone soon? !

 

[Darklord Dave]

They are certainly setting it up for Ben to die next episode.

It seems we have teams forming - Smokey has Claire and Sayid firmly in his seemingly evil and crazy camp.

Jacob's heroes don't seem as committed - but it seems that Jack and Hurley are going to end up on that side.

 

[LOTRFan]

So it was Dugan and not the ashes that kept Smokey out; WTF are the ashes then?

It was important enough to scoop up Jacob's?

 

[Entropy]

Yea, it makes sense that the contenders themselves wouldn't know that Jacob and Smokey couldn't kill contenders - it would give too much power to the contenders. And not allowing contenders to kill other contenders makes sense too, since that would be way too easy (and they might have too much reason for doing it.) The only reason we know Jacob and Smokey can't kill them is because Jacob said it to Smokey (as the kid).

I get your points but can only see this scene in my head:

"If only I had stayed on the Island... I coulda' been sumbody... I coulda' been a contender."

It's candidate and Dogen, not contender and Dugen.

They are certainly setting it up for Ben to die next episode.

It seems we have teams forming - Smokey has Claire and Sayid firmly in his seemingly evil and crazy camp.

Jacob's heroes don't seem as committed - but it seems that Jack and Hurley are going to end up on that side.

Yup. It's Locke (or Flocke I suppose) vs Jack all over again, there was never any doubt that was where we were headed from the very beginning. Yet another little mirroring of season 1, though this is the first season 6 ep to break the character centric episode mirroring of season 1.

And the v.o. said Ben will face his mortality next ep - but maybe not die? I know he's doomed at some point, but hope he'll be around longer into the 10 eps left. Still, he's had less and less to do, just running about behind others and looking shocked. Hopefully they have a nice g'bye Ben ep with some fun stuff for Michael Emerson to do. He has really shined in this role and bumped it into a reg character past the 3 eps they had originally planned in no small part due to his great talent and wonderfully creepy face.

 

[Maglor]

I too have no idea - beyond the blonde hair - why anyone thinks the kid was Aaron.

And the kid wasn't refering to Sawyer - no reason to assume that. Clearly Smokey was trying to recruit Sawyer, just as he was Sayid. I think he was refering to Jack, the contender that Jacob was working to recruit, but it's debatable. What I think is obvious is he was refering to SOME contender. I don't think that Smokey or Jacob can't actually kill anyone they want - but it's a 'rule', and Jacob was reminding Smokey of it, lest he get a little too out of control. Which leads us back to the possibility that Smokey isn't as out of control as we are being led to believe, and rather still playing out the 'testing' of the contenders.

Likewise, Dugen could have killed Sawyer. He didn't because he's still playing by the 'rules'. That fact itself is interesting - if there are rules to what they do, but Jacob is really dead dead, then why would Dugen still be following them? That's why I think that much of what is being presumed philosophically - who's good, who's bad, what their motivations are, etc. - are going to end up turned upside down before the end.

It's certainly going to be an interesting 12 hours of television...

I will admit that it is largely his appearance that makes me think it's Aaron. Not just the blond hair, he looks so mush like Claire that I wouldn't be surprised if it was Emilie de Ravin's real life son.

The casting is very deliberate in this show, so I personally don't think the resemblance is an accident.

Also, they have made a big deal about Aaron from the start. He is special, Clair needed to bring him to the island. So far, no reason for this has yet been given.

As to Aaron being the wrong age, it doesn't have to involve time travel. Remember "taller ghost Walt"??

Why can't this be a 'taller ghost Aaron.'



As for me I really really doubt that the kid was Jacob. Maybe not Aaron, but definitely not Jacob. Why would Jacob appear as some kid? He has no trouble appearing as an adult to Hurley.

 

[Entropy]

The casting call for the Mysterious Boy described him as "Teenage boy, caucasian, 12-14. Dirty blond hair. Wise beyond his years. He's got intense, searching eyes. He's dealt with a horrible family accident. Even at a young age, he has been put in charge of something very important, and it weighs heavily on his shoulders."

The call sheet for Jacob described him as "Former soldier. A leader of men. Smart but more than that – he is wise. Strong and straightforward. The words he says are always listened to and they carry gravitas."

And Aaron... um... special baby? but meaningful to the story special or Walt/Miles special?

 

[Shropt]

Anyone else wondering where Sawyer disappeared to? He hasn't been seen the last 2 places we've seen FLocke.

 

[Entropy]

Hmm. some other task for MiB? Perhaps they'll address that in the Sawyer ep. And I wonder if we'll see Robert Patrick back as Hibbs, who set up Sawyer to kill the guy in Australia, in the sideways story?

And I just found out James Ford, 'Satan's Ferryman', was a 19th century river pirate from Illinois. He acted as civic leader but in reality was a Mafia Don-like criminal. Kind of a con man...

 

[beeshaw]

Not mine, wish I cold take credit for it. Read it as part of my Wednesday lunch ritual. (reading EW.com’s ‘essay’ on the last episode of LOST. It’s normally pretty long (6 pages), but damn is it a good read!

https://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20348187,00.html

In fact, think about the wondrous things associated with Jacob. Richard's eternal youth. The resurrection hot spring. And, if you believe Ben from season 3, a cure for cancer. Jacob isn't ''good,'' per se — he's just capable of giving life. Put another way: Jacob is the god of beginnings. He is The Alpha. The Man in Black? Not evil — he's the god of endings. He is the Omega. The beginning and the end. Polar, warring opposites, but absolutely necessary for life to bloom (Alpha) and to have form (Omega). Both are necessary for anything to have meaning. Jacob unchecked leads to chaos; Man In Black unchecked leads to annihilation. Both need to exist in balance; both need to be equally weighted rocks on the scale.

 

[LOTRFan]

That is good stuff.

So if you die in the resurrection pool - or have your throat slit and fall into it - do you stay dead?!

 

[Moonloop]

ABC is having a contest where you create a promo to be aired and you can also win a trip to the finale party.

Here is my entry: https://lost-promo-contest.abc.go.com/published/958

 

[Rock83]

So it was Dugan and not the ashes that kept Smokey out; WTF are the ashes then?

It was important enough to scoop up Jacob's?

Remember when Jacob`s people came in the room where Jacob was killed?Then all of them was killed,remember how the last guy was killed?Smokey couldn`t directly approach him because he used the ashes to keep smokey away,then smokey smashed the ceiling that fell over the guy and died,so the Ashes does indeed keep Smokey away.How Smokey was able to run through the temple,i don`t know because it was ashes around it right?