Unless he knew what was going to happen. Des has that same self assured, no fear quality Jacob had. Do they both have foreknowledge of how this will all turn out? I can def see that being the case.
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Unless he knew what was going to happen. Des has that same self assured, no fear quality Jacob had. Do they both have foreknowledge of how this will all turn out? I can def see that being the case.
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Perhaps with a few of the 815ers going to the hospitial at the same time might trigger Jack's memories of the island... that first day on the beach tending to all of the wounded.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
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I have to say--the writers must really hate Locke. With all the stuff they've done to him, the poor guy just catch a break, no matter what universe he's in.
And I just remembered that Sayid's brother is in the hospital. So that's what will get him there, along with Nadia. And then Desmond will run over Nadia with his Prius, triggering Sayid's memories.
Sawyer and Kate have already seen each other without triggering anything, so it seems that they are not each others' constants after all. Kate had more of a deja vu moment when she saw Jack outside the airport, and Sawyer is obviously going to meet up with Juliet and finish the conversation they were having during her death scene. Maybe the hospital also has a special ICU section for pets, and Michael can stop by and bring Vincent along. But ten foot tall Walt is still an inevitable no-show. And I still hold out hope that Mr. Eko is the hospital chaplain...
And I just remembered that Sayid's brother is in the hospital. So that's what will get him there, along with Nadia. And then Desmond will run over Nadia with his Prius, triggering Sayid's memories.
Sawyer and Kate have already seen each other without triggering anything, so it seems that they are not each others' constants after all. Kate had more of a deja vu moment when she saw Jack outside the airport, and Sawyer is obviously going to meet up with Juliet and finish the conversation they were having during her death scene. Maybe the hospital also has a special ICU section for pets, and Michael can stop by and bring Vincent along. But ten foot tall Walt is still an inevitable no-show. And I still hold out hope that Mr. Eko is the hospital chaplain...
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It would be GREAT to see Mr. Eiko again!!!!
But I'm not holding my breath.
But I'm not holding my breath.
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Just clarifying my point earlier. I didn't mean that Desmond WAS Jacob in the sideways universe, I meant that Desmond was "the Jacob" of the sideways universe.
So my question is this. Desmond has remembered all of these things from the real world and is manipulating people. What if in the real world Jacob had this same situation and is manipulating the 815ers to fix something in a 3rd universe?!?!
So my question is this. Desmond has remembered all of these things from the real world and is manipulating people. What if in the real world Jacob had this same situation and is manipulating the 815ers to fix something in a 3rd universe?!?!
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Definitely loving the 2 timelines now and it's great to see Libby/Hurley again.
My theory is that he ran over Locke to bring Jack and Locke together. If Jack can restore alta-Locke's legs perhaps he won't be so bitter in the island reality and won't be susceptible to being the vessel for the MiB.
My theory is that he ran over Locke to bring Jack and Locke together. If Jack can restore alta-Locke's legs perhaps he won't be so bitter in the island reality and won't be susceptible to being the vessel for the MiB.
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I'm not buying this idea that Des ran over Locke to get him a near death experience - too easy to have killed him, and he may have, actually. I think there's something else going on there.
I'm still not sure which Des is which. There were things in this episode that seemed to clearly imply that my idea that the Des' switched wasn't true...but then there were two other very clear points that indicated SOMETHING is wrong. One was when Des said Smokey was Locke. The Des that's on the island SHOULD know Locke is dead, he was there when the 815er's were trying to get back, and knew that they were taking Locke in a coffin. I think that's why Locke gave that long, weird look at him when he said he was Locke - he should know he's not.
The other thing is the complete lack of fear. Again, very much like the Dark Tower series - "There are other worlds than these" - but I think there's something more there than just his knowledge of the two timelines. Something's not quite right with Des...
Personally, I thought it was a pretty weak episode. It provided no real forward movement to the overall story other than getting Hurley, Jack and Sun back with Smokey, and we only have 4 episodes left to the finale - we don't have time for episodes like that. My favorite part was the preview for next week when they used the song from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory!
I'm still not sure which Des is which. There were things in this episode that seemed to clearly imply that my idea that the Des' switched wasn't true...but then there were two other very clear points that indicated SOMETHING is wrong. One was when Des said Smokey was Locke. The Des that's on the island SHOULD know Locke is dead, he was there when the 815er's were trying to get back, and knew that they were taking Locke in a coffin. I think that's why Locke gave that long, weird look at him when he said he was Locke - he should know he's not.
The other thing is the complete lack of fear. Again, very much like the Dark Tower series - "There are other worlds than these" - but I think there's something more there than just his knowledge of the two timelines. Something's not quite right with Des...
Personally, I thought it was a pretty weak episode. It provided no real forward movement to the overall story other than getting Hurley, Jack and Sun back with Smokey, and we only have 4 episodes left to the finale - we don't have time for episodes like that. My favorite part was the preview for next week when they used the song from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory!
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I really enjoyed this episode. For me the big difference is that the sideways flash completely made sense and I didn't feel like they were cramming people in just to make connections. I really like the direction they are going with the constants, and I can't wait for Sawyer and Juliet to meet up. That's going to be a great episode.
I have no clue why Desmond ran down Locke either. I was stunned at that point and I've yet to figure out the point of it. To me that almost indicates that Desmond from the island is the Desmond in the sideways timeline. Otherwise why would he run down Locke when he's trying to get the others to remember the island? Even if its to cause a traumatic event to trigger it, I don't get why he would go that route instead of what he did with Hurley.
I have no clue why Desmond ran down Locke either. I was stunned at that point and I've yet to figure out the point of it. To me that almost indicates that Desmond from the island is the Desmond in the sideways timeline. Otherwise why would he run down Locke when he's trying to get the others to remember the island? Even if its to cause a traumatic event to trigger it, I don't get why he would go that route instead of what he did with Hurley.
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Oh okay I was confused as to why Alt-Desmond had to interact with alt-Locke so violently in the flash sideways reality until a friend tried to explain his thoughts on it to me earlier today (and now reading the theories on the last couple pages of this thread).
Locke's constant is Jack, right? Makes sense now. Still, there must have been a less painful way to getting Locke to see Jack.
Locke's constant is Jack, right? Makes sense now. Still, there must have been a less painful way to getting Locke to see Jack.
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Perhaps getting them all in one place brings the timlines together...and it doesn't matter whether they are alive or dead, just together, like having Locke's body on the plane to get back to the island. I don't think Widmore particularly cares who gets hurt, any more than Smokey (or Jacob) does if it gets him to his goal. Hurting Locke or killing Locke, either way he's going to the hospital.
BTW, doesn't it seem like the sideways timeline is perfect for everyone? They all have what they truly want...maybe not what they thought they wanted, but what they really needed (thanks to the Rolling Stones). So wouldn't the best course of action for Des be to NOT bring the timelines together?
The more I think about it, the more I think Smokey didn't want to kill Desmond when he threw him down the well, just get him out of the way. Smokey isn't adverse to just tearing somebody apart, and he could have done that, then threw the body down the well. Instead, it looks like he's just putting Desmond someplace where he can't effect his plans...or that's Smokey's theory.
BTW, doesn't it seem like the sideways timeline is perfect for everyone? They all have what they truly want...maybe not what they thought they wanted, but what they really needed (thanks to the Rolling Stones). So wouldn't the best course of action for Des be to NOT bring the timelines together?
The more I think about it, the more I think Smokey didn't want to kill Desmond when he threw him down the well, just get him out of the way. Smokey isn't adverse to just tearing somebody apart, and he could have done that, then threw the body down the well. Instead, it looks like he's just putting Desmond someplace where he can't effect his plans...or that's Smokey's theory.
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Actually, the hospital would be the perfect setting to bring Walt back in. If he's laying in a hospital bed then his height wouldn't be an issue.
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Heheheheh - yea, I noticed that too. Actually, it doesn't have to be an actual 'key', just some sort of key to the outcome, and it will be a direct lift out of Dark Tower.
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My thoughts were that Flocke COULDN'T kill Desmond....even if he wanted to. If someone already said this, I missed it and apologize!!
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The version of Dr. Chang that gave Hugo the award in 2004 had both of his hands and didn't look a day older than when we saw him last in '77. They very obviously aged Ben's father for his 2004 appearance, but Chang was looking good for his age. And in the alternate/sideways timeline, he didn't lose his hand in the incident that supposedly led to the creation of the alternate/sideways timeline. I haven't quite figured out the implications of all that yet.
Walt is gonna be making an appearance soon. He was spotted filming in Hawaii yesterday.
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