LOST discussion - thar be spoilers ahead!

[Darthrazz]

Thanks for posting that, I know what the wife is getting for Christmas now!

 

[Moonloop]

Read this article, certain parts make me think of the flash side-ways of LOST:

https://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/10/18/o.end.of.life/index.html?hpt=C2

"We'll be waiting for you".

 

[Nuka Cola Kidd]

Read this article, certain parts make me think of the flash side-ways of LOST:

https://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/10/18/o.end.of.life/index.html?hpt=C2

"We'll be waiting for you".

Fantastic read. Death is the one thing I fear the most. The fact that one day I wont be "here" anymore is terrifying. To never talk or breath again, the unknown...hate thinking about it. But good read none the less.

 

[SwedishHeat]

I finally finished my rewatch. I was bummed that there was no commentary on the series finale. Especially since Damon says there will be, during Across The Sea.

After about 5 twists offs, the cardboard on the secret lid frayed to the point that I can't even put it back. So now what?? The lid doesn't even fit on the case anymore. Methinks the package designers overlooked a fatal flaw in their design.

 

[Maglor]

I took it off but once. The cardboard ended up getting so effed up on the first time that once I got it back in place I vowed to never take it off again.

 

[ShadowX81]

Here's the letter from the writers:

Hope you can read those okay.

Ugh, I hate that letter. The creators think that they can sideline all the criticism that they got for not answering anything by just saying "There is no way that a show like Lost could have had everything planned in advance and resolved in the end". Yes, it quite easily could have. There is no reason why they couldnt have thought up an answer for a mystery before they introduced it. In fact that seems to make more sense.

And they would have had plenty of time to resolve everything if they hadnt spent the first half of the last season having all the charachters walk back and forth across the island 20 times.

Instead they dodged the rightfully earned complaints by ignoring the issue with an unrelated metaphor that seems to be somewhat of an attack on Christianity.

 

[YoNoSe]

I never felt like D & C were trying to sideline criticism. They've said that they focussed on what they wanted to focus on, which was a small part of the greater mythology they created. They've acknowledged that it wasn't a perfect process, that not everything was carved in stone from the get-go, and that they knew not everyone would be happy with the result.
What more do you want from them?

 

[ShadowX81]

It would be nice if they didnt try and justify it like they did here by saying that using some forsight during the writing process is completly impossible. I want them to admit that they made alot of amateur mistakes and not try to ecscuse themselves.

 

[YoNoSe]

I don't get it. I think they've been honest enough about the process. I don't see how admitting specific mistakes would have any worth whatsoever.

 

[Maglor]

Not making a judgement about anyone's character but, ShadowX81 you are sounding like a typical "hater".

If you have such big problems with the show, why keep coming to this thread?

The show wasn't perfect, but I think it's one of the best I'll see in my lifetime. I'm not interested in focusing on (or more accurately - speculating on) what may have been done wrong.

 

[ShadowX81]

Becuase I feel cheated having supported and defended the show for 5 years, only to have the ball completely dropped right in the endgame.

Its not the writers not amitting specific mistakes that bugs me, its them making sweeping and unsupported justifications for these mistakes. ("Some people complain that we didn't answer everything. Well theres no way we could have planned it all out, so its all ok")

 

[Maglor]

I don't feel cheated.

 

[ShadowX81]

Well fine. But I do.

Im just not happy with a show that leaves tons of chunks of the plot (both huge and small) left wide open. Not open to interpretation, just unresolved. If you can be, then all the power to you.

 

[Maglor]

Any said 'unresolved holes' are definitely left open to interpretation. If I got anything out of the 10 minute epiloge it was that the questions all have answers. Even if the writters don't know what those answers are, the LOST world feels real enough to me that I feel the answers are there.

It would have been easy for us to make a big deal about how it was never explained why women couldn't give birth on the island. Then in the epilogue that question was answered in a couple seconds. Do you want them to answer all the questions that way?

I, for one, would rather speculate and debate interpretation than have all the answers fed to me. And I see no point in imputing bad motives to the writers, or calling them hacks. They did a wonderful job in my opinion.

 

[ShadowX81]

Yes, I would have liked answers to all those questions during the course of the show.

That makes no sense that the answers are out there. If even the writers don't know them than there is no answer. Since the Lost world doesn't exist there is no ultimate truth out there. Its just a questions. And way too many of them to make a coherant story.

There is a big difference between something being unresolved and left open to interpretation. Being left open to interpretation means there are enough clues that you can reasonably infer a number of valid theories. Unresolved is just the absence of any answer or at the very least clues to point you in the right direction. By your logic, anything that doesn't exist is just left open to interpretation.

Even the stuff that was answered makes no sense. The Jacob/Smokie backstory raised about 10 more questions than it answered due to the backstory which contradicted everything, including itself.

 

[pixletwin]

You seem to be such a stickler for continuity... how is it again that you have managed to be a fan of Doctor Who?

 

[ShadowX81]

I think I can be more forgiving about a childrens show that has continuity spanning over 40 years with multiple casts, showrunners, and writers with no fixed end point.

 

[YoNoSe]

("Some people complain that we didn't answer everything. Well theres no way we could have planned it all out, so its all ok")

But they're not saying that. They said they didn't plan it all out. They chose to make a show with a basic story arc, but where they could introduce and explore ideas as they went along. They are saying that in order to do that, it was impossible to have a strict show bible. They're not saying it's impossible to have a strict show bible. Obviously they could have made a more specific road map. But then they wouldn't have been making the show they wanted to make.

It's impossible to ever prove how much they planned, made up, lied about, etc. I guess if you care about that it's understandable that you wouldn't like a show where there are no concrete answers.

I feel like I got a coherent story. I got the story of a bunch of people who got caught up in a massive mythology that they never fully understood. I saw how it effected those people, what some of their roles were, how it changed them, and the broad strokes of why it happened.

I like the fact that it's not all unexplained. It's about the unexplained, what people do when they don't have the answers.
I love that even their "fate" is really just the result of an evolving tradition being carried out by a series of flawed people who also don't have the answers. I think that is ballsy and brilliant and WAY more interesting than explaining that God or aliens or Mother Nature placed the magical light in the island.

I agree with the writers - there would have been no organic way to answer all of the questions and most of them are beside the point (the point being Who Are They, Why Are They Here and What Will Happen to Them). I don't understand the need for specific explanations of how everything mentioned came to be, or midichlorian-like definitions of faith or sci-fi concepts. I don't understand how that brings satisfaction.

I had a theory about why women couldn't have children on the island. I watched the epilogue and my theory was wrong. Either way, it had zero impact on the story. Juliette Burke was put on the island because they had a problem. The story wasn't about that problem, it was about what happens to Juliette.
Jack had to be convinced. John Locke had to believe. Those traits took them places. Some were better than others.
Scary monster and polar bears = bonus.


I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just saying I was watching the right show for me. I didn't want it to be anything, I just liked what it was.

 

[Maglor]

I agree with all of that.


I feel sorry for those who feel like they waisted 6 years of there life on this show.

 

[pixletwin]

100% agree with YoNoSe and Maglor.