Man of Steel (SPOILERS)

[IrishJedi]

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Wonder Woman and Batman working/fighting together.

Yep. And it's worked quite well at times. Never watched any of the JL Animated Series or JL Unlimited, eh?

Your problem is probably that you can't reconcile that character/concept of Batman beyond Nolan's stilted version.

 

[ZaCHw117]

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Yep. And it's worked quite well at times. Never watched any of the JL Animated Series or JL Unlimited, eh?

Your problem is probably that you can't reconcile that character/concept of Batman beyond Nolan's stilted version.

No, I watched the JLA cartoons. But could never really get into them much as a kid. Always preferred BTAS over it (who wouldn't). But I remember watching this special, where Batman threatens Superman with kryptonite. I thought that was pretty cool.

The problem for me is, DC's JLA members aren't as colorful or interesting as Marvel's (IMO). I can believe in a God of thunder joining a group of superheroes more than an other planetoid amazon woman who flies an invisible airplane. One is cool, and fun. The other is just... well dumb. To me at least.

And don't condescend about people you don't even know.

 

[IrishJedi]

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I can believe in a God of thunder joining a group of superheroes more than an other planetoid amazon woman who flies an invisible airplane. One is cool, and fun. The other is just... well dumb.

Well that's selective reasoning if I've ever seen it.

 

[The Mike]

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I can believe in a God of thunder joining a group of superheroes more than an other planetoid amazon woman who flies an invisible airplane. One is cool, and fun. The other is just... well dumb. To me at least.

This reasoning is flawed. We don't even know what any of the characters INCLUDING Batman will look like in a JLA film. We don't even know if this Cavill Superman will be there. You are taking Movie Thor and saying he makes sense with Movie Hulk and Movie Iron Man in an Avengers Movie because it was planned that way. Then you are taking Wonder Woman from old TV or cartoon incarnations and saying it won't work on film.

Realistically no parallels can be made to The Avengers until we see the cast on screen and how the characters will be played. The Avengers works because it was made to. That was the goal. The old "Aye Varily!" Thor or the "Hulk No Like Dat!" or even the "Careful citizen! and Remember to Brush your Teeth!" Captain America of things before the film universe wouldn't mesh together because they weren't meant to.

 

[Viking Spawn]

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I think that maybe that's why it turned out the way it did in the first place, because he was...totally.

Agreed.

I loved his Hulk. Thought it was far superior to The Incredible Hulk.

To each their own. I wasn't a huge fan of either film. But I'd take TIH any day or Lee's garbage!

 

[Sachiel]

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It needs to be built up. As of now or the next few years, moviegoers have no investment in the actors playing these heroes. Relying on comic geeks and "meh" fans to make it a success won't give WB what they want. They want an Avengers. They need to establish a DCU before that film, to "do it right." Otherwise, it's like filming the moneyshot before the sex scene.

It seems like WB wants to hurry and push it out there without realizing what made The Avengers work. They're too focused on the dollar signs.

 

[Viking Spawn]

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The problem for me is, DC's JLA members aren't as colorful or interesting as Marvel's (IMO). I can believe in a God of thunder joining a group of superheroes more than an other planetoid amazon woman who flies an invisible airplane. One is cool, and fun. The other is just... well dumb. To me at least.

I see your point. It would currently appear that many of the DC heroes lack some of the coolness factor compared to Marvel's. I'm not hating on DC, but they need to be more moderized with their supporting characters to keep on par with Batman and Supes.

 

[AMAZEN]

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[RIDDICK]

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So old....

 

[AMAZEN]

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so awesome.....

 

[Niltusk]

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I see your point. It would currently appear that many of the DC heroes lack some of the coolness factor compared to Marvel's. I'm not hating on DC, but they need to be more moderized with their supporting characters to keep on par with Batman and Supes.

I don't know of any lack of cool with DC, I think they have some very marketable characters, they just don't market them well. Batman keeps them over the hump, but they remind me of early Marvel attempts at films, they just don't have people doing the projects that fans want/expect. Perfect example was how they single handedly destroyed years of buzz with the Green Lantern movie, pretty much in the exact same manner Fantastic Four killed years of buildup with its movie. DC needs to get aggressive and get some talent with the right vision, but with Superman, WonderWoman, Flash, Batman, and Green Lantern as a core, lack of collness should not be an issue.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Yep. And it's worked quite well at times. Never watched any of the JL Animated Series or JL Unlimited, eh?

Your problem is probably that you can't reconcile that character/concept of Batman beyond Nolan's stilted version.

No more so than you not accepting how Blake in the cowl could be a good thing. Especially toward building hype for a JLA film.

I don't know of any lack of cool with DC, I think they have some very marketable characters, they just don't market them well. Batman keeps them over the hump, but they remind me of early Marvel attempts at films, they just don't have people doing the projects that fans want/expect. Perfect example was how they single handedly destroyed years of buzz with the Green Lantern movie, pretty much in the exact same manner Fantastic Four killed years of buildup with its movie. DC needs to get aggressive and get some talent with the right vision, but with Superman, WonderWoman, Flash, Batman, and Green Lantern as a core, lack of coolness should not be an issue.

The problem is, they're gonna rely on the "coolness" to sell a JLA vs. take the effort and build up to it. Box office bellyflop.

 

[The Mike]

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they just don't have people doing the projects that fans want/expect. Perfect example was how they single handedly destroyed years of buzz with the Green Lantern movie, pretty much in the exact same manner Fantastic Four killed years of buildup with its movie.

I would slightly disagree with this. What killed Green Lantern is that they were trying to give the fans (comic fans) what they wanted instead of focusing on the story or creating something new.

Nolan's Batman created his own Batman, his own universe where at times there were little nods from the comics but in reality they were running on their own circumstance.

Campbell's Green Lantern (no thanks in part to Geoff Johns' last minute revisions) tried to create its own continuity while still trying to mash together every nods from the modern comics, while trying to give fanboys things to freak out about which is why the film is so disjointed, when you cut together all the film it doesn't make much sense because there isn't a base story, it tries to mix Emerald Dawn, Rebirth and multiple other story lines where as Nolan simply wrote his own.

If DC/WB had just had the writers (and kept it to two instead of having a ton of people band-aid it all over) created their own continuity in its own vein it would have been tremendously better but they tried to pander to the comic fans and lost everyone who wasn't one in the process.

 

[karamazov80]

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I would slightly disagree with this. What killed Green Lantern is that they were trying to give the fans (comic fans) what they wanted instead of focusing on the story or creating something new.

I know some of you like the GL movie, but I think it failed for most because they see it as a badly made movie all the way around--pretty half-assed story, questionable casting, bad pacing/lack of real drama, lack of an effective antagonist, etc. If they stuck to the comics strictly I think they could have done a very good movie that people would have enjoyed. Similarly, something completely new could have worked. But if you just aren't making an entertaining and fulfilling movie-going experience for many then it really doesn't matter what approach you take in that regard.

 

[thenammagazine]

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I know some of you like the GL movie, but I think it failed for most because they see it as a badly made movie all the way around--pretty half-assed story, questionable casting, bad pacing/lack of real drama, lack of an effective antagonist, etc. If they stuck to the comics strictly I think they could have done a very good movie that people would have enjoyed. Similarly, something completely new could have worked. But if you just aren't making an entertaining and fulfilling movie-going experience for many then it really doesn't matter what approach you take in that regard.

You'll be getting Rock as John Stewart soon enough.

 

[Viking Spawn]

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Rock = Lobo!


(Heck, who knows..... He may actually pull it off..... Not getting my hopes up.)

 

[Craze]

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Looking forward to Pain and Gain with The Rock and Mark Wahlberg... Read the article if you can, could be a crazy movie.

 

[karamazov80]

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You'll be getting Rock as John Stewart soon enough.

Well if that happens, I'll hope for the best

 

[thenammagazine]

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Well if that happens, I'll hope for the best

Honestly, I think he'd ace it.

 

[Niltusk]

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I would slightly disagree with this. What killed Green Lantern is that they were trying to give the fans (comic fans) what they wanted instead of focusing on the story or creating something new.

You're missing the point wonder boy. Unless someone is really stupid, who asked for the movie to be a PoS crap flick? You think the majority of fans were wanting to go watch that crap? Not what I expected, not at all.
The buzz (opening weekend) and reality (box office totals) disagree with you. Unless, you are just trying to take part of my post out of context, but you kind of make it sound like you believe people want crap movies, I don't believe that at all.