Man of Steel (SPOILERS)

[Viking Spawn]

Re: The Man of Steel

The new costume looks okay. I also agree its just too plain kooking in his midsection.

As for Blake being the new Batman... I'm cool with it. Granted, he is a new character taking up the mantle that's never been in any other medium... however, it worked okay for the 1998 Zorro film which starred Antonio Banderas. His character was also invented in that film series who donned the mask over Don Diego.

 

[devilof76]

Re: The Man of Steel

But I would not accept some schmuck Nolan created named Blake as Batman in a JLA movie. That is my line in the sand.

Bruce Wayne is Batman, and if Christian Bale is not going to be cast in the Justice League movie, then there should be no connection to it whatsoever.

None.

 

[DGTWoodward]

Re: The Man of Steel

Big fan of the new suit!! Just hoping this movie kicks some major arse!

A fan poster, I think.

Not sure Superman can be Nolanised in the same way that worked so well on Batman. That and the 'finding himself' story has been done to death for 10 years in Smallville. So what exactly will occupy the whole first half of the film?

I would love to love it as an idea, but it's already got a lot of strikes against it, and the 'generic superhero - add appropriate emblem here' costume does not help the whole thing.

 

[IrishJedi]

Blake is not going to be Batman in the reboot or Justice League.

 

[DGTWoodward]

Re: The Man of Steel

Bruce Wayne is Batman, and if Christian Bale is not going to be cast in the Justice League movie, then there should be no connection to it whatsoever.

None.

There will not be. Batman will once again need to be rebooted. I assume that the Green lantern movie - which I kind of enjoyed...yes IT WAS ME!!! - would have been the movie which would have moved towards the unified DC universe. Sadly it bombed horrifically, so that too will now need another re-boot. I am beginning to suspect that DC may have in fact left it a bit too late for the JLA movie. Let's face it, they wasted a lot of time on getting Superman up and running again (which still remains an untested quantity) instead of biting the bullet and just going on with Brandon Routh. They could have covered any potential continuity problems with one or two sentences in a press release..."These events occur several years after those portrayed in Superman Returns..." sort of thing, and then just never return to them!

They wasted a whole unaired and disastrous pilot of WONDER WOMAN with a completely unsuitable actress (no offence, she was talented and lovely but just not WONDER WOMAN), so she would have to start totally from scratch. Almost exactly the same situation exists with The FLASH. It would be a start from scratch scenario for him too. The plan must be this, if it is realistically expected to work, and if you want individual character movies...

1) Use SUPERMAN: MAN OF STEEL as your foundation movie, that begins the JLA sequence.

2) It's way too early for another new BATMAN, and people are probably reluctant to view a new GREEN LANTERN just yet. So the second-in sequence JLA film will need to either be WONDER WOMAN of THE FLASH. But seeing as the the three core members of the JLA are Batman, Superman and WW, it would realistically need to be WW.

3) Then, you can turn your attention to THE FLASH and get him up and running (see what I did there? Oh please yourselves!)

4) Here, you're still stuck with a crap choice for the next movie. You could do a lesser JLA member but it would really need, by now, to be another core JLA member, either BATMAN or GREEN LANTERN. I cannot really see any way around it.

The only way you might be able to salvage it, is to have Batman as an already established character, and have the fourth movie as the founding of the League and inducting the Lantern into it. But if you want to go that way, you could just do it with all the characters already as established and not do the solo movies at all. Like I said. I think it may be just too late for a JLA film.

 

[karamazov80]

Re: The Man of Steel

Then I can only hope you prepare for disappointment.

What evidence has even suggested this is a potential possibility? It would be INSANE!

Will Beall? Cheesus Crust, kill it before it begins.

Never heard of him.

 

[IrishJedi]

My thoughts too. I may be down for a Batman/Superman film. But JLA is just too damn stupid.

I honestly don't understand this mindset. Is The Avengers "too damn stupid"? JLA was one of the first comic book super hero team-ups... way before The Avengers. Marvel basically created X-Men and Fantastic Four because JLA worked so well for DC. It's the pinnacle of all superhero team ups.

If done right, it can be awesome... even better than Avengers. But that's a very big IF, of course. But the concept of JLA is pretty sound: take the greatest heroes and play their strengths and personalities off one another as a team. JLA actually established this, not The Avengers.

Know your comic history, son.

That said, WB can still very well ____ this up

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: The Man of Steel

I honestly don't understand this mindset. Is The Avengers "too damn stupid"? JLA was one of the first comic book super hero team-ups... way before The Avengers. Marvel basically created X-Men and Fantastic Four because JLA worked so well for DC. It's the pinnacle of all superhero team ups.

If done right, it can be awesome... even better than Avengers. But that's a very big IF, of course. But the concept of JLA is pretty sound: take the greatest heroes and play their strengths and personalities off one another as a team. JLA actually established this, not The Avengers.

Know your comic history, son.

That said, WB can still very well ____ this up

It needs to be built up. As of now or the next few years, moviegoers have no investment in the actors playing these heroes. Relying on comic geeks and "meh" fans to make it a success won't give WB what they want. They want an Avengers. They need to establish a DCU before that film, to "do it right." Otherwise, it's like filming the moneyshot before the sex scene.

 

[karamazov80]

Re: The Man of Steel

But the concept of JLA is pretty sound: take the greatest heroes and play their strengths and personalities off one another as a team. JLA actually established this, not The Avengers.

Know your comic history, son.

Not that those characters had much in the way of distinctive personalities back in the '40s, but neither did the JLA through most of the '60s

 

[DGTWoodward]

Re: The Man of Steel

It needs to be built up. As of now or the next few years, moviegoers have no investment in the actors playing these heroes. Relying on comic geeks and "meh" fans to make it a success won't give WB what they want. They want an Avengers. They need to establish a DCU before that film, to "do it right." Otherwise, it's like filming the moneyshot before the sex scene.

Don't always agree with Nam, but that is what I said.

 

[IrishJedi]

Not that those characters had much in the way of distinctive personalities back in the '40s, but neither did the JLA through most of the '60s

I was going to mention JSA as well, but it's quite different and much more sublime.

 

[The Mike]

Re: The Man of Steel

That said, WB can still very well ____ this up

They will. What's funny is that during the Man of Steel trailer, which is done more artistically and in a different light than either Green Lantern or any of the Nolan films, people were wondering what they were seeing aloud until Superman was seen flying. I think this film will fall a bit too Ang Lee for most but even greater a danger if the rest of the films don't have the more serious tone (GL definitely didn't even though it might have tried) the combining of them heroes won't make sense because it'll go against the grain for some of the characters.

 

[Dr.Mirakle32]

Re: The Man of Steel

So this film will take the first half of Superman the Movie, the second half of Superman II, make it "realistically grounded" by desaturating the colors and having some philosophical monologues, using the narrative to piece together ridiculous CGI set-pieces.

I hope this film is either excellent, or bombs. I'd hate to get a half-baked, mediocre remake that's still popular enough to warrant sequels (Sony, I'm looking at you.)

 

[karamazov80]

Re: The Man of Steel

Wait, this movie's gonna take the last half of Superman 2 into account? I like it a lot, but there was some pretty wacky ____ happening in that movie.

 

[IrishJedi]

They will. What's funny is that during the Man of Steel trailer, which is done more artistically and in a different light than either Green Lantern or any of the Nolan films, people were wondering what they were seeing aloud until Superman was seen flying. I think this film will fall a bit too Ang Lee for most but even greater a danger if the rest of the films don't have the more serious tone (GL definitely didn't even though it might have tried) the combining of them heroes won't make sense because it'll go against the grain for some of the characters.

It's not very Ang Lee at all. Maybe the teaser is, but not the movie.

 

[Viking Spawn]

Re: The Man of Steel

It needs to be built up. As of now or the next few years, moviegoers have no investment in the actors playing these heroes. Relying on comic geeks and "meh" fans to make it a success won't give WB what they want. They want an Avengers. They need to establish a DCU before that film, to "do it right." Otherwise, it's like filming the moneyshot before the sex scene.

I absolutely agree!

It's not very Ang Lee at all. Maybe the teaser is, but not the movie.

Oh lord NO ANG LEE crap! He still needs to be stoned for what he did to the Hulk!

 

[DGTWoodward]

Re: The Man of Steel

Oh lord NO ANG LEE crap! He still needs to be stoned for what he did to the Hulk!

I think that maybe that's why it turned out the way it did in the first place, because he was...totally.

 

[wofford29]

Re: The Man of Steel

Ang Lee > Zach Synder

 

[Reinhardt]

Re: The Man of Steel

Oh lord NO ANG LEE crap! He still needs to be stoned for what he did to the Hulk!

I loved his Hulk. Thought it was far superior to The Incredible Hulk.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: The Man of Steel

I honestly don't understand this mindset. Is The Avengers "too damn stupid"? JLA was one of the first comic book super hero team-ups... way before The Avengers. Marvel basically created X-Men and Fantastic Four because JLA worked so well for DC. It's the pinnacle of all superhero team ups.

If done right, it can be awesome... even better than Avengers. But that's a very big IF, of course. But the concept of JLA is pretty sound: take the greatest heroes and play their strengths and personalities off one another as a team. JLA actually established this, not The Avengers.

Know your comic history, son.

That said, WB can still very well ____ this up

Wonder Woman and Batman working/fighting together.