Man of Steel (SPOILERS)

[thenammagazine]

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You're missing the point wonder boy. Unless someone is really stupid, who asked for the movie to be a PoS crap flick? You think the majority of fans were wanting to go watch that crap? Not what I expected, not at all.
The buzz (opening weekend) and reality (box office totals) disagree with you. Unless, you are just trying to take part of my post out of context, but you kind of make it sound like you believe people want crap movies, I don't believe that at all.

How is a movie that grossed $238,000,000 a fail?

 

[Niltusk]

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How is a movie that grossed $238,000,000 a fail?

Thats worldwide totals for a movie that cost 200 mil to make.

It did almost half its domestic gross its opening 3 days thats a movie that went from hero to zero in no time.
Plus, its domestic total was just over half of production, thats generally considered a fail.

You must think Battleship was a summer blockbuster.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Thats worldwide totals for a movie that cost 200 mil to make.

It did almost half its domestic gross its opening 3 days thats a movie that went from hero to zero in no time.
Plus, its domestic total was just over half of production, thats generally considered a fail.

You must think Battleship was a summer blockbuster.

My point is, regardless of the conditions, $200+ million in ticket sales is hardly a flop.

 

[Niltusk]

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My point is, regardless of the conditions, $200+ million in ticket sales is hardly a flop.

Considering the time and investment put in and the fact that the movie had the potential to reach much higher numbers, yeah it is. Plus, alot of companies aren't putting their advertising into their production budget anymore, so if you're not making money, do you call that a success? It goes back to my original point. Green Lantern has a bult in "cool" factor. Its up to the studios to capitolize on it and cash it in with a great movie. If the movie had lived up to the buzz it had going in, it would have been talked about with Batman, the Avengers, Iron Man, etc.. instead its relegated to... "got past the break even mark thanks to worldwide seats." Thats the point I was trying to get across in my original post. DC doesn't have piss poor characters, they have some of the most recognized heros around, if their movies fail its their fault, not the characters.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Considering the time and investment put in and the fact that the movie had the potential to reach much higher numbers, yeah it is. Plus, alot of companies aren't putting their advertising into their production budget anymore, so if you're not making money, do you call that a success? It goes back to my original point. Green Lantern has a bult in "cool" factor. Its up to the studios to capitolize on it and cash it in with a great movie. If the movie had lived up to the buzz it had going in, it would have been talked about with Batman, the Avengers, Iron Man, etc.. instead its relegated to... "got past the break even mark thanks to worldwide seats." Thats the point I was trying to get across in my original post. DC doesn't have piss poor characters, they have some of the most recognized heros around, if their movies fail its their fault, not the characters.

How many viewings do you think equate to $230,000,000?

 

[Niltusk]

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How many viewings do you think equate to $230,000,000?

Green Lantern Production budget 200 million

Green Lantern World Advertising budget 135 million

Worldwide sales 227 million

If thats not simple enough for you as to why it was conisdered a "flop" google it, theres hundreds of articles on the net that will explain what is and isn't considered a flop monetarily. But the basics are, the movie has to earn at least the money a studio put out which this didn't.

 

[Snadinator]

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Green Lantern Production budget 200 million

Green Lantern World Advertising budget 135 million

Worldwide sales 227 million

If thats not simple enough for you as to why it was conisdered a "flop" google it, theres hundreds of articles on the net that will explain what is and isn't considered a flop monetarily. But the basics are, the movie has to earn at least the money a studio put out which this didn't.

Yep. The rule of thumb is that they need to double the production budget in order to turn a profit.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Green Lantern Production budget 200 million

Green Lantern World Advertising budget 135 million

Worldwide sales 227 million

If thats not simple enough for you as to why it was conisdered a "flop" google it, theres hundreds of articles on the net that will explain what is and isn't considered a flop monetarily. But the basics are, the movie has to earn at least the money a studio put out which this didn't.

I understand that, but that's not what I asked.

 

[Niltusk]

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Yep. The rule of thumb is that they need to double the production budget in order to turn a profit.

Its not like you even need anything beyond basic math to figure it out .

 

[Niltusk]

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I understand that, but that's not what I asked.

No, I answered exactly why a movie that grossed 238 mil was a fail, you not comprehending it is your problem.

Naive would be the nicest word for that kind of thinking when discussing a movie that lost millions of dollars. I mean if we were talking about a Jay and Silent Bob movie with a 60 mil production and 25 mil of advertising sure... but we're not.

 

[thenammagazine]

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No, I answered exactly why a movie that grossed 238 mil was a fail, you not comprehending it is your problem.

Naive would be the nicest word for that kind of thinking when discussing a movie that lost millions of dollars. I mean if we were talking about a Jay and Silent Bob movie with a 60 mil production and 25 mil of advertising sure... but we're not.

Since you're selective reading, I'll ask again. How many tickets need to be sold to equal $238,000,000?

 

[DGTWoodward]

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Isn't this a somewhat redundant question?

The actual number on 'bums on seats' that equates to that figure is a pointless question really. It's useless information. It will not shed any further light on the subject nor will it make any of the points any clearer.

If the cost is like it is in the UK, and we say $6.95 per single adult ticket, that's.....34,244,604 and 1/3 people.

How has that made things any clearer?

Films are Freakin' expensive!! There is not just the development budget (if you are lucky enough to get one - more rare these days) as well as the production budget, and the advertising budget. An advertising budget - if the studio actually want a real success - will usually equal and often exceed the production budget. Then there is so much 'behind the scenes' money involved with movie making too these days...that I'd say it's at least three times the production budget before a film seriously breaks even.

And that is before you get to the 'clever' accountants.

But we all know that you know this already Nam. I swear you only post these days when you fancy a bit of a fight.

 

[DarthBakura]

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Isn't this a somewhat redundant question?

The actual number on 'bums on seats' that equates to that figure is a pointless question really. It's useless information. It will not shed any further light on the subject nor will it make any of the points any clearer.

If the cost is like it is in the UK, and we say $6.95 per single adult ticket, that's.....34,244,604 and 1/3 people.

How has that made things any clearer?

Films are Freakin' expensive!! There is not just the development budget (if you are lucky enough to get one - more rare these days) as well as the production budget, and the advertising budget. An advertising budget - if the studio actually want a real success - will usually equal and often exceed the production budget. Then there is so much 'behind the scenes' money involved with movie making too these days...that I'd say it's at least three times the production budget before a film seriously breaks even.

And that is before you get to the 'clever' accountants.

But we all know that you know this already Nam. I swear you only post these days when you fancy a bit of a fight.

Green Lantern was a failure, as a project. Still, it wasn't a bad way to spend an hour or so. Granted, I'll likely never watch it again. Anyway, I think Ryan Reynolds should've been cast as the Flash instead. Maybe there's still hope for that though.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Isn't this a somewhat redundant question?

The actual number on 'bums on seats' that equates to that figure is a pointless question really. It's useless information. It will not shed any further light on the subject nor will it make any of the points any clearer.

If the cost is like it is in the UK, and we say $6.95 per single adult ticket, that's.....34,244,604 and 1/3 people.

How has that made things any clearer?

Films are Freakin' expensive!! There is not just the development budget (if you are lucky enough to get one - more rare these days) as well as the production budget, and the advertising budget. An advertising budget - if the studio actually want a real success - will usually equal and often exceed the production budget. Then there is so much 'behind the scenes' money involved with movie making too these days...that I'd say it's at least three times the production budget before a film seriously breaks even.

And that is before you get to the 'clever' accountants.

But we all know that you know this already Nam. I swear you only post these days when you fancy a bit of a fight.

It shows that there was still an interest in the film to the tune of $238 million in ticket sales. While that just barely squeaked past the budget, that's still a respectable box office take.

 

[DGTWoodward]

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It shows that there was still an interest in the film to the tune of $238 million in ticket sales. While that just barely squeaked past the budget, that's still a respectable box office take.

In an ideal world, I suppose you are right. But things are far from ideal, sadly. The first problem is that there is no one WB bank account labelled "Profit for Project A" into which all the receipts should flow.

That way they can offset any amount of money from any film to, say, rebuild the set from a small indi-picture that lost everything in a local monsoon. The money will have come from the profit of Project A, but Project A will not know anything about it.

With no little irony, I think that SUPERMAN:THE MOVIE was probably the most famous example of this. It was making shed loads of money all over the world, the VHS, Laserdiscs, the merchandising, and more so with SMII and double bills and the like....but officially it did not turn a profit untill the late 90's.

It's not just in the movies, it's in TV too, WB do exactly the same thing there.

 

[CelticPredator]

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Looking forward to Pain and Gain with The Rock and Mark Wahlberg... Read the article if you can, could be a crazy movie.

Yes you are!

 

[django]

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i have really high hopes for this film trailer looks amazing

 

[meanstreak]

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Holy **** your sig is random as hell.

 

[Darklord Dave]

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Regarding Green Lantern - Only the studio knows if the film was worthwhile - if it had gotten fantastic reviews, they might consider breaking even after home video a success. But it was artistically and financially a failure in relation to the budget.

If GL were to be considered a success then so would Superman Returns. And if the studio thought SR was successful we'd have Singer and Routh back rather than Snyder and the new guy.

 

[devilof76]

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Green Lantern was rough.

I think it may be just too late for a JLA film.

I agree, and that's why I think their best chance is simply a high quality JLA film designed as a foundation for any future properties they wish to launch. Let Man of Steel set the tone (assuming it's worth it) and go from there.