Man of Steel (SPOILERS)

[intothevoid]

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I love the muted colours

 

[Adolfo]

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Dat photo has da Nolanz written all over it.

Close your mouth and turn down that tooth I cant see the computer screen will ya!...

 

[Khev]

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LINCOLN is simply a better, more nuanced, more masterful score than TDKR. Just like the film. I don't care that one is a historical drama and the other is a comic book movie that takes itself too seriously.

Admit it. You criticize TDKR more for its off-camera aspects than what actually ended up on film. You're irked at Nolan's ego ("our movie uses the most extras, bla bla bla,") the DP's ego ("Avengers cinematography sucked,") and the enthusiasm of it's fans to the point that you totally let it color your perception of the film.

 

[thenammagazine]

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He also came up with the theory of general relativity among many other breakthroughts in human scientific achievement, going against established 'truths', proving that foolish optimism can be an invaluable asset

It goes both ways.

I dunno. Somehow all the good is outweighed by the letter he sent to the president urging him to make a world killer. I'm certain that if you'd lived through the cold war at a more comprehensible age, your opinion would be different.

 

[Niltusk]

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Yeah, but they're both going to be judged, among others, as Best Original Score of 2012.

Surely you're not proposing we now have separate Score categories for different genres?

LINCOLN is simply a better, more nuanced, more masterful score than TDKR. Just like the film. I don't care that one is a historical drama and the other is a comic book movie that takes itself too seriously.

Yeah, I enjoyed his shotgun axe.

 

[intothevoid]

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I dunno. Somehow all the good is outweighed by the letter he sent to the president urging him to make a world killer. I'm certain that if you'd lived through the cold war at a more comprehensible age, your opinion would be different.

I'm not defending the creation of the bomb.

In any event, examples of the value of foolish optimism isn't limited to just Einstein's achievements, in fact it probably applies to any great scientist who went against the grain. So much of technology in general and many great healthcare advances owe themselves to foolish optimism.

 

[DiFabio]

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Nicholson while good added too much Ceasar Romero in his role

What is, "Ceasar Romero" about his role?

Last time I watched the 60s Batman, I don't remember Romero Joker being a whacked nut job, that kills his henchmen, tries to court photojournalists that takes pictures of war corpses (that he thinks is terrific work) and considers the innocent people he maims and kills to be "art".

 

[Khev]

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What is, "Ceasar Romero" about his role?

His over the top camp in almost every scene perhaps?

 

[jedijim3002]

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John Williams is the man!

 

[thenammagazine]

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I'm not defending the creation of the bomb.

In any event, examples of the value of foolish optimism isn't limited to just Einstein's achievements, in fact it probably applies to any great scientist who went against the grain. So much of technology in general and many great healthcare advances owe themselves to foolish optimism.

As do nerve toxins, man-made viruses, advanced weaponry and many other instruments of destruction. There needs to be more responsibility. Just because a scientist has an idea doesn't necessarily mean it should be explored.

 

[Khev]

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Are people really debating about whether *any* film composer can compare to Williams? The guy is a giant among men.

 

[DiFabio]

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His over the top camp in almost every scene perhaps?

The Joker.

 

[thenammagazine]

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His over the top camp in almost every scene perhaps?

Because Ledger's Joker wasn't campy and over the top?

 

[jye4ever]

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The Joker.

Because Ledger's Joker wasn't campy and over the top?

 

[Khev]

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Because Ledger's Joker wasn't campy and over the top?

Not in a juvenile way. His over the top antics had very sinister, even frightening undertones. Nicholson was like an annoying immature brother who blows fart sounds in your face and teases you with goofball but ultimately harmless one-liners.

 

[DiFabio]

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Nicholson was like an annoying older immature brother who blows fart sounds in your face and teases you with goofball but ultimately harmless one-liners.

Yeah, nothing sinister about melting mob bosses faces off or sadistically grinning after you kill a mother and father, or randomly blowing away your right hand man that looked up to you, or disfiguring your beautiful lover because she doesn't fit your new aesthetic of beauty, or destroying priceless works of arts (except Francis Bacon artwork, something Nolan gave to Heath Ledger to help inspire him for the role) or some of the other sadistic, frightening things the Nicholson Joker does.


That scene in the mob doctor's surgery hideaway where we see all the bloody tools and the shocked expression on the doctors face when the Joker unwraps his face is just, sooooo hilarious. Nothing sinister about it.




Ledger Joker eating shrimp, trying to drink wine, slapping *****es, trying to tell Batman how he got his scars, dressing up as a nurse, washing his hands after feeling freaked out over seeing Harvey Dent's hideous scars is nothing lighthearted, over the top or fun. All serious business.



One of the reasons I think Ledger Joker and Nicholson Joker are the best villains out of all 7 films we've gotten is because how over the top, campy . . . and sinister they both are. They're actually second to Batman with the characters I root for. Any time the Joker is on screen, he steals the show, that's how he should be if done right. It's the Joker. He does things that shouldn't be funny, but are because he's so damn great. They kill people and take out the mob "for the lolz", take control of Gotham, **** up Batman's personal life, and try to have their handicaps (scarred faces) and ideologies (beauty, chaos) be heard. That's the character.

Romero Joker is great too, but he's one dimensional compared to those two (which isn't bad at all).

 

[Khev]

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Yes I know that on paper Nicholson Joker did some "dastardly deeds." It just never translated as an extension of his character. Ledger's Joker wove the zany with the homicidal into a much more cohesive whole.

I do agree that they are both entertaining in their own way, no question about that.

 

[jye4ever]

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[Khev]

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If you score by the amount of words typed, yes.

 

[DiFabio]

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Nah, c'mon Jye.


Khev just said that he enjoyed both, there's no argument here (well, I don't want one anyway). I wouldn't say Jack Nicholson is more sinister or grim than Ledger Joker, he's definitely not, but he's definitely no friendly Ceaser Romero Joker either.

The Nicholson Joker and Ledger Joker are pretty similar (scars, mob, chaos, television broadcasting skills etc.) and pretty different in their own ways. I think both are fantastic though. It's impossible for me to choose one over the other. Like, I'll watch the interrogation scene in TDK and think, "oh man, best Joker ever" but then see the Smylex commercial or his big reveal when he kills Grissom and think the same thing. I get the same rush of watching Batman take aim at a provoking Joker in the streets in the Batwing in Batman that I do with Batman riding towards a provoking Joker in the streets on the Batpod in TDK.

It's all good stuff. There's nothing wrong with camp or humor, or seriousness and darkness, as long as it's not strictly one or the other.









Joker should be the villain in Man of Steel.