Man of Steel (SPOILERS)

[Dr.Mirakle32]

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I don't care who called the shots as long as the story is good. Zack has a brilliant vision for spectacle, but is only as good as the scripts he's working from.

 

[thenammagazine]

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I'll never understand why I don't just skip to the end on threads like this that have 15 pages of horse **** yet wind up doing just that in threads where I should've read the discussion.

 

[brucecamblzchin]

I'm staying out unless something new comes out then I shall briefly talk about and then leave to let the Nolan wankery recommence. Like right now

 

[CelticPredator]

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You still don't get it, do you!? He'll find her! That's what he does! It's all he does! You can't stop him! He'll wade through you, reach down her throat, and pull her f-cking heart out!!

Unfortunately, I was doing a Mummy quote. I didn't feel like wasting a Terminator quote on the Nols.

 

[CelticPredator]

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Never bothered with it, but isn't that supposed to be in the same continuity as the CR films with the third and fourth ones having been retconned? Not saying that necessarily justifies it, but it makes more sense to me. If you make a role your own, no one can compare you to the original. They can, but it'll just be personal preference and opinion. Look at what happened to Lazenby as Bond. Didn't he try to copy Connery? Moore didn't. I hate Moore's Bond roles but I give him credit for being different.

He was forced into copying Connery.

 

[intothevoid]

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He guided the development of the script, agreed to bring Zack on board, and basically forced the hire of Hans Zimmer (his biggest creative contribution since pre-production). But this is Zack's film ultimately.

Don't think I ever said anything suggesting anything more than the above

Do you know/are you at liberty to say how much of the premise of the story is down to Nolan? And did Jonathan Nolan work on the script?

 

[EVILFACE]

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Nolan is an eternal entity. He will never sleep. He will never eat. He will never stop.

Doesn't matter.

Man of Steel is a Zack Snyder film. No one elses.

 

[Adolfo]

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Why dont we wait till the film is out before turning this into the TDKR thread...All I know Nolan will have an influence in this film no matter what anybody says here in this forum...If anyone cant see that then you need help...otherwise for me it's wait and see after seeing the interesting trailers

 

[intothevoid]

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But everyone loves idle talk

 

[K07]

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The discussion had been moved to Zod but a bunch of people had nothing to say but complain about the Nolan discussion that seemingly had ended.

And that quote was the Mummy! Ugh I tried so hard to think what that was.

 

[IrishJedi]

But I kinda dig the anecdotal topics. It's the only time I have half a chance to say anything in here without violating NDA and being put into the Phantom Zone.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

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Not me.

The notion that Nolan is truly guiding this film is unadulterated balderdash. He guided the development of the script, agreed to bring Zack on board, and basically forced the hire of Hans Zimmer (his biggest creative contribution since pre-production). But this is Zack's film ultimately.

And you can take that from someone who actually spent more time on location on this movie than Nolan did. Hell, he was working on TDKR almost all of that time.

Guess that settles that then.

Doesn't matter.

Man of Steel is a Zack Snyder film. No one elses.

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Back to Superman, there was a big action shot in the trailer almost like an alien ship blasting a city. How many Kryptonians do you fellas think will survive? i mean it could just be Zod's ship laying waste to a City to make a statement or he could have a militia

and on a slightly OT subject, i re-read Marvel's Supreme Power, which is kind of a what if of the Justice League.

Superman a.k.a Hyperion wasn't raised by two wholesome southeners but by two government hired 'parents' in a home surrounded by fences and armed guards and brainwashed with propoganda news and home schooling to be the perfect all american and used to perpetrate black ops missions abroad, then a superhero. As the story progresses he learns that his entire life was a lie and begins to become more ant-hero acting outside the laws. the "end" at least of the JMS run has him tell the government to leave him alone and he sends a message by flying at top speed creating a seizmic explosion crashing into the artic, and saying if they don't leave him alone they'll regret it.

There are versions of Green Lantern, The Flash, WW and Batman too, all done very well

 

[K07]

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Guess that settles that then.

Yup. Two pepole said things that your brain could comprehend as agreeing with you so that settles that. I agree with IrishJedi. Nolan's not guiding this movie. But he did lay a framework down with the story and production. He hired Snyder and they have an understanding of the vision Nolan and Goyer had in mind and Snyder is going to bring that to the screen. I am not saying this is not a Snyder film. Who suggested that? Snyder will share the credit with Nolan and Goyer. A director is just a person that helps get the actors to do what they're supposed to in the best conceivable way and manage all of the filming. Is it an important job? Yes. Of course. That's why when the credits roll, they usually list the director before all others. But without a story and without funding, a movie couldn't happen. That's why producers and writers are usually listed immediately after the director. You can believe Nolan has nothing to do with this movie, but the minute those credits roll, you're gonna see his name shortly after Snyder's. And for two credits likely. Producer and story writer....

Personally, the most important credits for me are story writers and screenwriters. When I see a movie I really like, I seek out more movies written by the person(s) responsible. I'm a Nolan fan because he's not just a director. He's a filmmaker. A film auteur. Much like Alfred Hitchcock in that sense. He also has integrity and doesn't give into fads and studio demands. He does what he wants and makes movies he wants to make. He hasn't become a sellout yet like many other great directors of the past (Lucas, Cameron, Jackson, etc). Will that day come? Maybe. Hopefully not though. I don't think Hitchcock or Kubrick, despite having some bad movies in their repertoire, ever became sellouts or hacks.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Yup. Two pepole said things that your brain could comprehend as agreeing with you so that settles that. I agree with IrishJedi. Nolan's not guiding this movie. But he did lay a framework down with the story and production. He hired Snyder and they have an understanding of the vision Nolan and Goyer had in mind and Snyder is going to bring that to the screen. I am not saying this is not a Snyder film. Who suggested that? Snyder will share the credit with Nolan and Goyer. A director is just a person that helps get the actors to do what they're supposed to in the best conceivable way and manage all of the filming. Is it an important job? Yes. Of course. That's why when the credits roll, they usually list the director before all others. But without a story and without funding, a movie couldn't happen. That's why producers and writers are usually listed immediately after the director. You can believe Nolan has nothing to do with this movie, but the minute those credits roll, you're gonna see his name shortly after Snyder's. And for two credits likely. Producer and story writer....

Personally, the most important credits for me are story writers and screenwriters. When I see a movie I really like, I seek out more movies written by the person(s) responsible. I'm a Nolan fan because he's not just a director. He's a filmmaker. A film auteur. Much like Alfred Hitchcock in that sense. He also has integrity and doesn't give into fads and studio demands. He does what he wants and makes movies he wants to make. He hasn't become a sellout yet like many other great directors of the past (Lucas, Cameron, Jackson, etc). Will that day come? Maybe. Hopefully not though. I don't think Hitchcock or Kubrick, despite having some bad movies in their repertoire, ever became sellouts or hacks.

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[K07]

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https://youtu.be/vN2XZhnznFY

My title is just for you, bub. It's a shame some people don't have the same respect for a filmmaker with integrity. You don't have to like his stuff if you don't want to. That's all opinion. But the fact that he has strong beliefs about the industry and doesn't turn around and do what's cool is just awesome.

 

[thenammagazine]

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My title is just for you, bub. It's a shame some people don't have the same respect for a filmmaker with integrity. You don't have to like his stuff if you don't want to. That's all opinion. But the fact that he has strong beliefs about the industry and doesn't turn around and do what's cool is just awesome.

It's a shame some people have to swallow chud and then regurgitate it in another thread, bub. Enough of the ****ing Nolan slurping. As has been said, he's had minimal input and he's not the messiah of celluloid. Deal with it.

 

[IrishJedi]

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My title is just for you, bub. It's a shame some people don't have the same respect for a filmmaker with integrity. You don't have to like his stuff if you don't want to. That's all opinion. But the fact that he has strong beliefs about the industry and doesn't turn around and do what's cool is just awesome.

That's all well and good. But this isn't his movie.

 

[K07]

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It's a shame some people have to swallow chud and then regurgitate it in another thread, bub. Enough of the ****ing Nolan slurping.

It's funny how the person I saw that initially brought this up this time was Nova who was going on and on against Nolan's involvement. Which is factually incorrect. He's involved. And his role is not some faceless producer throwing money at it. He helped write this story and helped pick the talent to direct it.

As has been said, he's had minimal input

Coming up with a story, picking a screenwriter and director who share that vision, and helping fund it isn't exactly minimal....

and he's not the messiah of celluloid. Deal with it.

Not sure who made that claim. If you mistook my post about him having integrity as saying that, I'll deal with that much.

That's all well and good. But this isn't his movie.

Agreed. It's not his movie. Movies are collaborations between 5-10 minutes worth of credits. Everyone involved that wants/deserves credit is given credit. Some roles are more important than others. The director is arguably the most important role and a movie is usually given credit to the director. Zach Snyder's Man of Steel is how this is going to be known. But some movie's are given credit to writers (rightfully so) so it is also... dum dum dum.... Christopher Nolan's Superman. The film in its entirety will be credited to Snyder. The story will not be credited to Snyder. It will remain credited to Nolan and Goyer.

I've already cited the examples of Lucas' involvement with Indiana Jones and Burton's involvement with Nightmare Before Christmas. I could also mention that George Lucas is oftentimes given credit for ESB and RotJ even though he didn't direct them. He came up with the stories and produced them. He picked those directors. Is it wrong then to give Lucas as much credit as he's given with those movies? I don't think so....

 

[intothevoid]

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Yup. Two pepole said things that your brain could comprehend as agreeing with you so that settles that. I agree with IrishJedi. Nolan's not guiding this movie. But he did lay a framework down with the story and production. He hired Snyder and they have an understanding of the vision Nolan and Goyer had in mind and Snyder is going to bring that to the screen. I am not saying this is not a Snyder film. Who suggested that? Snyder will share the credit with Nolan and Goyer. A director is just a person that helps get the actors to do what they're supposed to in the best conceivable way and manage all of the filming. Is it an important job? Yes. Of course. That's why when the credits roll, they usually list the director before all others. But without a story and without funding, a movie couldn't happen. That's why producers and writers are usually listed immediately after the director. You can believe Nolan has nothing to do with this movie, but the minute those credits roll, you're gonna see his name shortly after Snyder's. And for two credits likely. Producer and story writer....

Personally, the most important credits for me are story writers and screenwriters. When I see a movie I really like, I seek out more movies written by the person(s) responsible. I'm a Nolan fan because he's not just a director. He's a filmmaker. A film auteur. Much like Alfred Hitchcock in that sense. He also has integrity and doesn't give into fads and studio demands. He does what he wants and makes movies he wants to make. He hasn't become a sellout yet like many other great directors of the past (Lucas, Cameron, Jackson, etc). Will that day come? Maybe. Hopefully not though. I don't think Hitchcock or Kubrick, despite having some bad movies in their repertoire, ever became sellouts or hacks.

It's funny how the person I saw that initially brought this up this time was Nova who was going on and on against Nolan's involvement. Which is factually incorrect. He's involved. And his role is not some faceless producer throwing money at it. He helped write this story and helped pick the talent to direct it.



Coming up with a story, picking a screenwriter and director who share that vision, and helping fund it isn't exactly minimal....



Not sure who made that claim. If you mistook my post about him having integrity as saying that, I'll deal with that much.



Agreed. It's not his movie. Movies are collaborations between 5-10 minutes worth of credits. Everyone involved that wants/deserves credit is given credit. Some roles are more important than others. The director is arguably the most important role and a movie is usually given credit to the director. Zach Snyder's Man of Steel is how this is going to be known. But some movie's are given credit to writers (rightfully so) so it is also... dum dum dum.... Christopher Nolan's Superman. The film in its entirety will be credited to Snyder. The story will not be credited to Snyder. It will remain credited to Nolan and Goyer.

I've already cited the examples of Lucas' involvement with Indiana Jones and Burton's involvement with Nightmare Before Christmas. I could also mention that George Lucas is oftentimes given credit for ESB and RotJ even though he didn't direct them. He came up with the stories and produced them. He picked those directors. Is it wrong then to give Lucas as much credit as he's given with those movies? I don't think so....

 

[thenammagazine]

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It's funny how the person I saw that initially brought this up this time was Nova who was going on and on against Nolan's involvement. Which is factually incorrect. He's involved. And his role is not some faceless producer throwing money at it. He helped write this story and helped pick the talent to direct it.

Funny you're trolling this but someone who was actually there says to the contrary. And whether or not Nova brought it up, you're the one who posted a long sloppy BJ post about how "great" Nolan is.