devilof76
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No. It's ideology.
Many are embarassing themselves over TSA pat-downs
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True but that is difficult to profile. But I don't think that's what Khev was referring to when he mentioned common denominator.
Shropt
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It's all fun and games until some rent-a-cop TSA member takes a cellphone pic of your wive's X-ray and puts it online.
You guys laugh now but just wait until you and your family go to the airport and your grandmother/neice/daughter/wife is getting patted down for all to see. Then you just may change your view on things.
You guys laugh now but just wait until you and your family go to the airport and your grandmother/neice/daughter/wife is getting patted down for all to see. Then you just may change your view on things.
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Racial profiling. Of course!!
Yeah, all the Buddhist terrorists are giving the Islamic extremists a bad name right?
devilof76
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I'm not really laughing. I agree. This bull____ of always reaching for a new level of invasiveness based on the pig____ers constantly coming up with a new way of concealing explosives has long since gone too far. The money, time, and energy that this agency wastes is obscene.
I haven't noticed that Israel is this insane when it comes to airline security. I guess that's the downside of doing the actual work required to anticipate threats: no kickbacks to useless government agencies, and no inculcation of the sense that we are all flying by permission of power tripping rent-a-cops.
I haven't noticed that Israel is this insane when it comes to airline security. I guess that's the downside of doing the actual work required to anticipate threats: no kickbacks to useless government agencies, and no inculcation of the sense that we are all flying by permission of power tripping rent-a-cops.
Shropt
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Exactly.
I think some of these people backing TSA aren't understanding that these guys are rent-a-cops. They are NOT government agents and they aren't some specialized trained force. When that "touch my junk" guy got kicked out of the airport they threatened him with a "civil lawsuit". They have no power.
If any politician comes out saying they agree with these scanners then I think they should be required to have their whole family scanned and post the pics on the internet. Just my opinion.
Sure but they also have armed guards everywhere at their airports and WON'T hesitate to shoot someone either. Plus in Isreal they don't need planes, they just blow up cafes all the time and kill people.
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devilof76
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Maybe that will inspire them to come up with something that actually works. All this does is encourage anyone who is serious about getting away with mass murder to shove a bomb up their ass.Shropt said:
I supposed when we're all getting anally probed before every flight, the terrorists will know who's boss.
And they go for the softer targets because no one in their right mind would try getting a bomb on an Israeli plane.
If god had simply put our 'junk' on our foreheads, this would really be a non issue
devilof76
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But then we'd have to take our hats off.
gonna make this short and hopefully some of you can comprehend this.....
the 4th Ammendment
The Right of the people to be secure in their persons,houses,papers and effects,against unreasonable searches and seizures,shall not be violated,and no Warrants shall issue,but upon probable cause,support by Oath or affirmation,and particulary describing the place to be searched,and the persons or things to be seized.
and Benjamin Franklin said this
“They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security”.
lastly,Travelling is NOT a privilege...its a RIGHT! Period!
So the TSA are breaking the law and are violating the Constitution
the 4th Ammendment
The Right of the people to be secure in their persons,houses,papers and effects,against unreasonable searches and seizures,shall not be violated,and no Warrants shall issue,but upon probable cause,support by Oath or affirmation,and particulary describing the place to be searched,and the persons or things to be seized.
and Benjamin Franklin said this
“They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security”.
lastly,Travelling is NOT a privilege...its a RIGHT! Period!
So the TSA are breaking the law and are violating the Constitution
It is not a right and this has nothing to do with the 4th amendment, you are choosing to enter an airport and there are rules to do so, you can either agree to the rules or not enter.
Whats funny is how people suddenly want to bring the 4th amendment up, if this is a violation , any search is a violation so lets let anyone bring what they want into any building.
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What is the number of the right to travel? I can't seem to find it on the list of Amendments to the Constitution.
RoboDad
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For someone who is trying to sound intellectually superior ("hopefully some of you can comprehend this"
), your post is something of an epic fail.The key wording of the 4th amendment that you have either deliberately ignored, or fail to comprehend, are the words "unreasonable" and "search", and the phrase "probable cause". You should probably do a bit more research on those before making grandiose claims.
In short, because of the squishy nature of the wording of the amendment, the TSA actions and policies have not yet (and likely cannot be) ruled unconstitutional.
Regarding the Franklin quote, there is some merit there, but I think it may be slightly misapplied in the airport screening context, given the voluntary nature of those screenings. No one is compelled to undergo them.
And, regarding your last point about travel being a right, you are absolutely correct. But again your point is without any merit. It is my right to enter into a financial agreement with an airline to convey me from point A to point B. But it is not my right to enter into such an agreement and then willfully violate the terms of that agreement, including the agreement to voluntarily submit to a screening process at the discretion of the airline and/or airport facility.
it is a RIGHT...you have listened to the ****tube and was told otherwise by the mainstream media of lies....and yes any search,without probable cause and without a warrant is a violation of the Constitution
PERIOD!!
anyone that give a crap watch this video
TSA is out of control
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhkQoiaf7Uc
For someone who is trying to sound intellectually superior ("hopefully some of you can comprehend this"
The key wording of the 4th amendment that you have either deliberately ignored, or fail to comprehend, are the words "unreasonable" and "search", and the phrase "probable cause". You should probably do a bit more research on those before making grandiose claims.
In short, because of the squishy nature of the wording of the amendment, the TSA actions and policies have not yet (and likely cannot be) ruled unconstitutional.
Regarding the Franklin quote, there is some merit there, but I think it may be slightly misapplied in the airport screening context, given the voluntary nature of those screenings. No one is compelled to undergo them.
And, regarding your last point about travel being a right, you are absolutely correct. But your point is without any merit. It is my right to enter into a financial agreement with an airline to convey me from point A to point B. But it is not my right to enter into such an agreement and then willfully violate the terms of that agreement, including the agreement to voluntarily submit to a screening process at the discretion of the airline and/or airport facility.
its not my intellect,its men who spilled blood for FREEDOM that I quote and the Constitution is the law of the land,so have at it then and fly...get your cancer and groped by 50 year old fat men simple as that.its your opinion,and I respect it,but I wont be pushed around like cattle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhkQoiaf7Uc
RoboDad
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And believe it or not, that's a much more reasonable reply. Choosing to avoid the process is your right, and I fully support your (or anyone's) exercise of that right. But by so choosing, you forfeit your ability to avail yourself of commercial air travel.
However, advocating a change to the current screening system is also your right, and I would also fully support any (legal) actions to bring about such change.
The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit at will, but a common right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 179.
It could not be stated more conclusively that citizens of the states have a right to travel, without approval or restrictions (license), and that this right is protected under the U.S. Constitution. Here are other court decisions that expound the same facts:
"The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the 5th Amendment." Kent v. Dulles, 357 US 116, 125.
"Undoubtedly the right of locomotion, the right to move from one place to another according to inclination, is an attribute of personal liberty, and the right, ordinarily, of free transit from or through the territory of any State is a right secured by the 14th amendment and by other provisions of the Constitution." Schactman v. Dulles, 96 App DC 287, 293.
As hard as it is for those in law enforcement to believe, there is no room for speculation in these court decisions. The American citizen does indeed have the inalienable right to use the roadways unrestricted in any manner as long as they are not damaging or violating property or rights of others.
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