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A series following the adventures of master trickster, Loki?

Man... why they keep moving along with these 3rd tier characters? Whats next, The Marvelous Miss Mantis?
 
A series following the adventures of master trickster, Loki?

Man... why they keep moving along with these 3rd tier characters? Whats next, The Marvelous Miss Mantis?

3rd tier???

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Scarlet Witch may be 2nd tier, but the rest... yeah, 3rd tier. And I like Winter Soldier, but as a good guy he's a little boring if he's not on the run fighting.

They need to bring in a new 1st tier already. Get to X-Men and Fantastic Four already. Let's go with Dr Strange already. Let's bring in some wholly new comic characters to mix with the old ones. Who is the new energy in Falcon? Cap2? Blah. They should be looking at these shows NOT as a way to keep the old going, but as a way to introduce NEW BLOOD into a 12 year old tired franchise that now needs to go to the next level. Look how energetic things got when Spiderman got infused. These shows should be bringing in some X-men and maybe two of the Four Fantastics.
 
Its a bit long-winded but certainly a better story and character arc than Iron Man 1 and Thor 1. Every Cap movie was really well done. Tony may be more fun and have cooler, more ''possible'' tech, but Cap really holds the MCU together though his stories and growth.


Whether its Cap2 or Falcon, they are both Cap-lite to me. I do hope there's more to this series than buddy-buddy conflict and racial camaraderie.

Well, episode 3 managed to remind me why I was so into the MCU films in the first place.:cool:

It's - awesome. :clap:clap:clap

The down side being, it makes me wanna go buy *&^%. Usually expensive HT *&^%.:horror

Just - this is the way. Good writing for one thing; badassery and dry humor for another. Just - awesome.:drink

They need to bring in a new 1st tier already. Get to X-Men and Fantastic Four already. Let's go with Dr Strange already. Let's bring in some wholly new comic characters to mix with the old ones. Who is the new energy in Falcon? Cap2? Blah. They should be looking at these shows NOT as a way to keep the old going, but as a way to introduce NEW BLOOD into a 12 year old tired franchise that now needs to go to the next level. Look how energetic things got when Spiderman got infused. These shows should be bringing in some X-men and maybe two of the Four Fantastics.

Huh. Depends IMO.

Comics and films, especially the films - Falcon/WS are favorites of mine. So is Loki. From my perspective, with Bucky in particular, one the MCU's best fighters was just thrown away in IW, as was a lot of Team Cap. As were relationships.

And I'll never know, probably, since these things are a long time in planning, that Bucky, Loki, etc. being fan favorites were shunted in planning early on; into being hooks for the D+ series, as Disney was entering an arena with streaming that had a lot of competition. No-one knew if the Mandalorian would work or not; and D+ didn't have a lot of content.

So from my perspective, stories and characters were introduced that were never given justice:pfft:; at the same time a character like Spiderman or BP gets introduced; fine, but the films IMO aren't that great, no matter how much money they made. So on the one hand, you have characters who deserved better hanging; on the other hand u have films with some questionable decisions - like the last Spiderman movie. (To me it looked like budget-light - minutes of disco lights or whatever that was. I was bored out of my mind:( and IMO it looked cheap. Plus they are pushing this great Stark relationship that to me strained credulity, since I never saw it happen, really.)

So LOL I figure the MCU owes me *satisfaction* from Feige openly standing up and talking about how how loved these characters are, and then using a film (IW) I waited 2 years for (after Civil War) to give me an advertisement for upcoming films and push the questionable intro of Captain Marvel:pfft:. Huh.

Like, I didn't need storylines I was following in the MCU to get the Taika treatment when he just disposed of the Warriors 3.

And with the uneven - to be charitable - Xmen and FF4 films - I need a break, to sort of let the memories fade. Assume D+ and their creepy social media analysts:mummy have already figured out that too - best it let it rest for a while. Re-cast. Etc.
 
Scarlet Witch may be 2nd tier, but the rest... yeah, 3rd tier. And I like Winter Soldier, but as a good guy he's a little boring if he's not on the run fighting.

They need to bring in a new 1st tier already. Get to X-Men and Fantastic Four already. Let's go with Dr Strange already. Let's bring in some wholly new comic characters to mix with the old ones. Who is the new energy in Falcon? Cap2? Blah. They should be looking at these shows NOT as a way to keep the old going, but as a way to introduce NEW BLOOD into a 12 year old tired franchise that now needs to go to the next level. Look how energetic things got when Spiderman got infused. These shows should be bringing in some X-men and maybe two of the Four Fantastics.

Well, I think they've earned the benefit of doubt given their track record. Until 2008 Iron Man was considered 2nd tier and then Feige, Favreau and RDJ turned him into the most popular character not named Batman. And even if you didn't particularly care for the WandaVision story, you have to admit it set up things nicely for Wanda leading into the new Dr. Strange movie.

As for needing an infusion of 1st tier blood into F&TWS, I think we need to consider the circumstances leading up to its release, what with the impact Covid may have had on the production plus

Chadwick Boseman's unexpected death. Who knows, they may have originally planned to have Black Panther showing up to recapture Zemo instead of Ayo.

Plus it's still early. I still think either the Power Broker is someone significant or there's an even bigger bad (Doom?) that will be at least teased before this show ends.
 
Newest episode was really great. Love the stuff with Zemo and I liked seeing the Princess bar in the background. Would have been awesome to see "Patch" in a cameo. Carter was a nice addition this episode. Bucky still has his moves to kick ass
 
I don't know... this episode seemed off to me. Maybe it's because Madripoor was supposed to be somewhere around Indonesia but there were almost no Asians in it. :lol

The Zemo retcon was also weird.

It looks like Zemo is well known in the underworld. Why was there no mention of this in Civil War? He has been flying like a normal person in Civil War and it turns out he's basically evil Bruce Wayne here?
 
I don't know... this episode seemed off to me. Maybe it's because Madripoor was supposed to be somewhere around Indonesia but there were almost no Asians in it. :lol

The Zemo retcon was also weird.

It looks like Zemo is well known in the underworld. Why was there no mention of this in Civil War? He has been flying like a normal person in Civil War and it turns out he's basically evil Bruce Wayne here?

Pretty sure it's because

Madripoor was a Fox property (X-Men related) when Civil War was made, so there was nowhere to go storywise with an underworld background for him at that time. But I agree, this seems quite a departure from his previous identity as a Sokovian Intelligence officer with a family. But if we accept he was also always a rich Baron, then I guess he had the means and enough time between AoU and CW to turn bad and gain an underworld reputation.
 
Pretty sure it's because

Madripoor was a Fox property (X-Men related) when Civil War was made, so there was nowhere to go storywise with an underworld background for him at that time. But I agree, this seems quite a departure from his previous identity as a Sokovian Intelligence officer with a family. But if we accept he was also always a rich Baron, then I guess he had the means and enough time between AoU and CW to turn bad and gain an underworld reputation.

It's good you mentioned that
Madripoor was a Fox property because of its X-Men connections, but it also reminded me of something else that bugged me in this episode: it leaned too heavily on nostalgia and nods towards the larger Marvel universe. While this is something the MCU is known to do, this episode had tons of it:
- Remember that Civil War villain? Here he is with some Civil War music.
- Remember that girl Steve kissed? Here she is. We'll also repeat the Civil War backstory to remind you even more.
- Remember how Zemo is also wanted by Wakanda? We'll foreshadow early on that someone definitely from Wakanda is coming by to stir the pot. We'll even throw some Wakandan music to remind you even more.
 
I take it that Sharon was the one who notified Wakanda about Zemo

Zemo putting on his mask and taking it off 30 seconds later made no sense to me lol

I?m still hoping he gets his golden crown :pray:
 
I take it that Sharon was the one who notified Wakanda about Zemo

Zemo putting on his mask and taking it off 30 seconds later made no sense to me lol

I?m still hoping he gets his golden crown :pray:

I thought that Wakanda finding out was just because the prison that held him found out he escaped too.
 
A series following the adventures of master trickster, Loki?

Man... why they keep moving along with these 3rd tier characters? Whats next, The Marvelous Miss Mantis?

I figured that?s what these shows are for, and the heavy hitters lead the movies.
 
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