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I really am enjoying the show and really look forward to where it leads. I got the final poster in from the disney club today and Walker's suit looks different from what he has now. Zemo is great in the show with his layers and I am curious to see what he is up to. As smart as he is there is an ulterior motive for sure. I figure Walker and Sam may both somehow get a boost in power before the show is over.
 
Another great episode. This is blowing ZSJL away. Can’t wait for next week!
 
All the inconsistencies? Other than Zemo having an aristocratic background we previously knew nothing about I'm not sure what you're alluding to, but if that's your take then hey, you do you. And if enjoying seeing likable characters return in a new story set in interesting locales qualifies as viewing this through rose colored glasses, well then guilty as charged. :D

Agree to disagree on the epicness of ZSJL. For me the only epic part about it is its length, but I'm glad to hear you found it satisfying.

There are more then that, as a huge cap fan the Sharon thing somehow makes that whole thing even worse. Id imagine that most everyone who survived the Snap would have spent those five years haunted by those they lost, and would have put in some effort to find them once everybody popped back into existence. But I guess Steve just didn?t bother looking in on Sharon before he bailed on everyone in end game. He just let her rot, still a fugitive from the law, unable to return to her home country.

he didn?t take steps to have her pardoned, there?s almost no chance he even tried to find out what happened to her. And there?s no way he just forgot about her in all the madness ? he was planning to retire to the past so he could bang her aunt! He definitely would have thought about Sharon during all that.

It?s frankly just awful. She got in trouble in the first place because Steve asked her for help. She was in that mess because of him. And based on what we?ve seen in this TV show he could not be bothered to help her out in return. And he definitely could have done so. He?s Captain America, If he had wanted Sharon pardoned, he could have gotten it without any problem like he did bucky, sam and widow

As far as I?m concerned, the legacy of Steve Rogers is in absolute tatters right now. And I can?t imagine the rest of ?The Falcon and the Winter Soldier? is going to do anything to change that. There is also no chance in hell bucky would ever work with zemo again, super soldiers all over the place that went unnoticed, racist undertones with a black captain america that was locked away and tortured by whitee- all massive retcons im sorry none of this show is believable to me and yes it creates plot holes and inconsistencies within the greater mcu- it tarnishes it much like the pt and st did the ot

I have a higher bar then yours which seems to be “its part of the mcu so i am going to like it regardless”
 
There are more then that, as a huge cap fan the Sharon thing somehow makes that whole thing even worse. Id imagine that most everyone who survived the Snap would have spent those five years haunted by those they lost, and would have put in some effort to find them once everybody popped back into existence. But I guess Steve just didn?t bother looking in on Sharon before he bailed on everyone in end game. He just let her rot, still a fugitive from the law, unable to return to her home country.

he didn?t take steps to have her pardoned, there?s almost no chance he even tried to find out what happened to her. And there?s no way he just forgot about her in all the madness ? he was planning to retire to the past so he could bang her aunt! He definitely would have thought about Sharon during all that.

It?s frankly just awful. She got in trouble in the first place because Steve asked her for help. She was in that mess because of him. And based on what we?ve seen in this TV show he could not be bothered to help her out in return. And he definitely could have done so. He?s Captain America, If he had wanted Sharon pardoned, he could have gotten it without any problem like he did bucky, sam and widow

As far as I?m concerned, the legacy of Steve Rogers is in absolute tatters right now. And I can?t imagine the rest of ?The Falcon and the Winter Soldier? is going to do anything to change that. There is also no chance in hell bucky would ever work with zemo again, super soldiers all over the place that went unnoticed, racist undertones with a black captain america that was locked away and tortured by whitee- all massive retcons im sorry none of this show is believable to me and yes it creates plot holes and inconsistencies within the greater mcu- it tarnishes it much like the pt and st did the ot

I have a higher bar then yours which seems to be “its part of the mcu so i am going to like it regardless”

Again, we don't even know if that is the case with Sharon. She is working for someone here. We don't know if she didn't get pardoned for real.
 
There are more then that, as a huge cap fan the Sharon thing somehow makes that whole thing even worse. Id imagine that most everyone who survived the Snap would have spent those five years haunted by those they lost, and would have put in some effort to find them once everybody popped back into existence. But I guess Steve just didn?t bother looking in on Sharon before he bailed on everyone in end game. He just let her rot, still a fugitive from the law, unable to return to her home country.

he didn?t take steps to have her pardoned, there?s almost no chance he even tried to find out what happened to her. And there?s no way he just forgot about her in all the madness ? he was planning to retire to the past so he could bang her aunt! He definitely would have thought about Sharon during all that.

It?s frankly just awful. She got in trouble in the first place because Steve asked her for help. She was in that mess because of him. And based on what we?ve seen in this TV show he could not be bothered to help her out in return. And he definitely could have done so. He?s Captain America, If he had wanted Sharon pardoned, he could have gotten it without any problem like he did bucky, sam and widow

As far as I?m concerned, the legacy of Steve Rogers is in absolute tatters right now. And I can?t imagine the rest of ?The Falcon and the Winter Soldier? is going to do anything to change that. There is also no chance in hell bucky would ever work with zemo again, super soldiers all over the place that went unnoticed, racist undertones with a black captain america that was locked away and tortured by whitee- all massive retcons im sorry none of this show is believable to me and yes it creates plot holes and inconsistencies within the greater mcu- it tarnishes it much like the pt and st did the ot

I have a higher bar then yours which seems to be ?its part of the mcu so i am going to like it regardless?

I think you may be jumping to conclusions here. Part of Sharon's spiel to them about "the hero thing being a lie" may have been not blowing her cover in Zemo's presence. Also keep in mind that both Sam and Bucky were dusted and not around for 5 years, so they likely aren't completely in the know regarding what Steve did or didn't do during that time period - i.e., Sharon may have been confident she could blow smoke up their asses without being called on it. Plus after they came back & beat Thanos, there was the memorial service for Tony and then Steve had to return the infinity stones. When he came back as a withered old man, asking about the woman he didn't hook up with (Sharon) probably wasn't foremost on their minds. :lol If this plays out the way you've painted it then your disillusionment is justified, but right now I sincerely doubt a gaff of that magnitude would have slipped by Feige. IMO the only way he'd allow Cap's legacy being tarnished like that is if it's a red herring.

Again, we don't even know if that is the case with Sharon. She is working for someone here. We don't know if she didn't get pardoned for real.

^^This.^^
 
Another great episode. This is blowing ZSJL away.
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As a Marvel fan, I can honestly say that’s just ridiculous.
 
There are more then that, as a huge cap fan the Sharon thing somehow makes that whole thing even worse. Id imagine that most everyone who survived the Snap would have spent those five years haunted by those they lost, and would have put in some effort to find them once everybody popped back into existence. But I guess Steve just didn?t bother looking in on Sharon before he bailed on everyone in end game. He just let her rot, still a fugitive from the law, unable to return to her home country.

he didn?t take steps to have her pardoned, there?s almost no chance he even tried to find out what happened to her. And there?s no way he just forgot about her in all the madness ? he was planning to retire to the past so he could bang her aunt! He definitely would have thought about Sharon during all that.

It?s frankly just awful. She got in trouble in the first place because Steve asked her for help. She was in that mess because of him. And based on what we?ve seen in this TV show he could not be bothered to help her out in return. And he definitely could have done so. He?s Captain America, If he had wanted Sharon pardoned, he could have gotten it without any problem like he did bucky, sam and widow

As far as I?m concerned, the legacy of Steve Rogers is in absolute tatters right now. And I can?t imagine the rest of ?The Falcon and the Winter Soldier? is going to do anything to change that. There is also no chance in hell bucky would ever work with zemo again, super soldiers all over the place that went unnoticed, racist undertones with a black captain america that was locked away and tortured by whitee- all massive retcons im sorry none of this show is believable to me and yes it creates plot holes and inconsistencies within the greater mcu- it tarnishes it much like the pt and st did the ot

I have a higher bar then yours which seems to be ?its part of the mcu so i am going to like it regardless?

Actually IMO Infinity War was more of a fail that way *realistically*, as it implied that Cap had made multiple trips to Wakanda; and there was the BS from the writers that Bucky and Cap were skyping each other. All BS - if u seriously want to disappear, NO CONTACT; nothing, with your old life. Computers, agencies, scan for fugitives and patterns of behavior. Sharon was CIA - basically what she did in CW was a serious sacrifice. But she sure wouldn't have let Cap know where she was any more than Cap would have been contacting Bucky through Skype are u kidding:google?

The problems with getting Bucky, Sam, and Widow aren't shown, because that would have been probably incredibly boring - no-one is going to watch a show with lawyers and committee meetings and hearings dragging on for months. Have you ever watched a session in Congress? For Bucky anyway, we know he has a conditional release, so he's being kept an eye on.

I'm never happy with anything getting pounded into my head re a script for something I watch for entertainment; and I think Spellman is overstuffing messages somewhat; but Isaiah Bradley is comic accurate; from a 2003 limited Marvel run. And it sounds like these new super soldiers are new - they stole the serum AFTER everyone was brought back. That's openly said - the GRC is paying more attention to those that returned than those whose lives are now worse off (like, it's creepy to think that Thanos wasn't completely off base:horror).

Bucky and Zemo both have an inherent understanding of the abuse of power - Zemo for obvious reasons; Bucky because he WAS used by Hydra to consolidate power. Heck, Tony's parents would still be alive except the U.S. was also trying to get more power. They're not friends; they're allies. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

For me anyway, it's not whether it's the MCU or even my favorite characters; it's whether - at the base of things, do I think the writing is good here; because for me that's where it starts. And I wasn't too happy with GOTG2, IW, EG, or Captain Marvel; and there's obvious stuff like the cringe element in Ultron:horror tho that movie also has some really great moments too, like Vision.

There's some stuff I'd change in FWS, sure. But overall, IMO Spellman knows his *&^%, definitely is a comic fan, knows how to balance a script, and keeps it real - good stuff:clap. Big relief for me anyway since these are characters I wanted more of - Bucky, Falcon, Sharon, and Zemo. Not seeing anything that would damage Cap's reputation - anyway, one thing I luv in EG is that scene when he crawls to his feet, hand shaking, to take on Thanos alone. Absolutely epic moment - cemented Cap for me permanently as an icon, if kicking *ss to save his best friend from his past, on faith, hadn't done that already.:cool:
 
I’m afraid that by the end of this series that their really won’t be any truly stand out long term transformative moments for these two. It’s hinting at it but I’m afraid it’ll just a tease and ultimately a let down. The fan theories are always more compelling than what the Marvel writers seem to come up with. Buckys reasoning for letting Zemo out was awful and Sam should’ve clocked him for it.
 
Zemo is always good. But a great movie/show needs a great villain... and so far, every villain is soft in this. There's no real threat. Bad super soldiers who aren't so bad... evil Zemo who is now the tour guide for the team... Falcon and WS just meander as they please with a simple fight scene choreographed here and there. Most of this could have been covered in the first episode. And there hasn't been a genuine cliffhanger ending to an episode yet.

It's not a bad show... but its far from great. So far. That said, if you've spent your life watching the CW shows and Agents of SHIELD then this very well could look like great TV to you.
 
Zemo is always good. But a great movie/show needs a great villain... and so far, every villain is soft in this. There's no real threat. Bad super soldiers who aren't so bad... evil Zemo who is now the tour guide for the team... Falcon and WS just meander as they please with a simple fight scene choreographed here and there. Most of this could have been covered in the first episode. And there hasn't been a genuine cliffhanger ending to an episode yet.

It's not a bad show... but its far from great. So far. That said, if you've spent your life watching the CW shows and Agents of SHIELD then this very well could look like great TV to you.

So far a bi-racial ginger girl ain’t punching my button as a great villain. This is the same girl from SOLO right? She always seems like she’s checking off a whole bunch of progressive feel good boxes for producers when ever she’s in anything. She must have a close relative exec at Disney or in casting.
 
Happy Easter everyone. :)

Finally caught this episode along with GvK in IMAX.

I'd rank this series as decent so far. First episode was okay, second episode was a lot of fun, now I'm back to feeling "eh" with this latest one.

A new super-soldier serum that doesn't change your physique in any way? SOOOOO freaking lame. It smacks of cheapness, laziness on the part of the actors who can't get their asses to the gym to work out, and honestly is something I'd expect from CW or Agents of Shield or something. Emily Vancamp trying to look badass taking down a bunch of guys twice her size by the containers was a joke. The Netflix Daredevil series used that exact same scenario to define how awesome the action was going to be for the entire series going forward. F&WS trying to copy that with Vancamp so poorly was just embarrassing.

And speaking of copying, wow Disney, watched John Wick much? We now have not one but two separate D+ series using their third episode (lol) to insert the same scene from John Wick where all the assassins'/hunters' cellphones/fobs go off at once alerting them to hunt the main character. :slap

I was kind of hoping they'd surprise us by having Wyatt Russell take the serum and ACTUALLY get buff and fill out the suit properly. But once again I'm realizing that expecting awesome surprises only leads to disappointment for D+ Marvel.

Beyond those irritations/embarrassments I'm still in for the ride to see where this goes.
 
A new super-soldier serum that doesn't change your physique in any way? SOOOOO freaking lame.

Funny, when it was called Extremis I don't recall your thinking it was lame. :chase

It smacks of cheapness, laziness on the part of the actors who can't get their asses to the gym to work out, and honestly is something I'd expect from CW or Agents of Shield or something. Emily Vancamp trying to look badass taking down a bunch of guys twice her size by the containers was a joke. The Netflix Daredevil series used that exact same scenario to define how awesome the action was going to be for the entire series going forward. F&WS trying to copy that with Vancamp so poorly was just embarrassing.

Exactly! How dare they not go to those gyms that have all been closed due to COVID-19. SO LAZY!! :wink1:

I quite enjoyed watching EV take those guys on. It's not like she completely overpowered them - she took quite a beating herself, and there were moments where I thought there was a slight chance they might even kill her off...but then I remembered Joss W didn't write this show. :D
 
this episode was written by the John Wick screenwriter lol

If that's true, that is hilarious. Guy gets paid big bucks to rewrite himself over and over.

I know John Wick style.


So far, this show is very cut-and-paste.


she’s checking off a whole bunch of progressive feel good boxes for producers

She does seem to be the It-girl for Disney's diverse I'm-bad/I'm-not-bad characters.
 
It's not a bad show... but its far from great. So far. That said, if you've spent your life watching the CW shows and Agents of SHIELD then this very well could look like great TV to you.

So far, this show is very cut-and-paste.

It's content. Keeps you numb and distracted until the next content. All theses streaming services and shows just feels like one big distraction. It's like some They Live ****. :lol
 
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