MARVEL' S Falcon and the Winter Soldier

[e30ernest]

The only thing I liked in the finale was Falcon’s costume and awesome comic accurate head piece!

Everything else sucked lol

Well Karli dying was good so 2 things lol

Bucky’s meeting with the father was what I was looking forward to the most and they didn’t give it any respect meh

Plot too convoluted and dumb.

Action not so great the Batroc Falcon battle was badly choreographed definitely no TWS quality between Cap and WS but at least Falcon couldn’t take him out like Cap so easily did.

Power broker meh

Zemo butler lol ok that was good lol

Walker outcome why was he acting so derpy at his last scene lol

Not saying it was trash I keep that rating for GvK.

Overall:

ZSJL > WV/Falcon WS

Yeah the choreography was horrible. I don't know if it was because the costume was restrictive, or it was rushed. But Marvel TV has done better fights with lower budgets:

Daisy Rescues Lincoln:


Daredevil 1st Season Hallway Fight:


Daredevil 3rd Season Prison Escape:


Punisher Prison Fight:


Daredevil vs Fisk vs Bullseye:


I would have expected more from a show that is pretty much an action/espionage series. Bucky for example was supposed to be an excellent fighter. Walker shouldn't be a slouch either. How they could be equaled by a rag-tag group of untrained super soldiers is just bad.

They had some good ideas:

Spoiler

such as distracting Bucky by giving him people to rescue rather than focusing on them. But suped-up Walker should have taken down at least a few of them.

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[The Buffinator]

The only thing I liked in the finale was Falcon?s costume and awesome comic accurate head piece!

Everything else sucked lol

Well Karli dying was good so 2 things lol

Bucky?s meeting with the father was what I was looking forward to the most and they didn?t give it any respect meh

Plot too convoluted and dumb.

Action not so great the Batroc Falcon battle was badly choreographed definitely no TWS quality between Cap and WS but at least Falcon couldn?t take him out like Cap so easily did.

Power broker meh

Zemo butler lol ok that was good lol

Walker outcome why was he acting so derpy at his last scene lol

Not saying it was trash I keep that rating for GvK.

Overall:

ZSJL > WV/Falcon WS

Well,

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that was kind of a mixed bag for me. I liked Falcon's costume for the most part (especially its extra gadgets & abilities), but found it somewhat ironic that the cool black Captain America ends up in the somewhat derpy white outfit while the derpy white U.S. Agent ends up in the cool black outfit lol.

Sharon being the Power Broker was a letdown for me, and it reminded me of Agatha/Agnes in WandaVision. Once again the obvious candidate wasn't a clever misdirect, it was just...obvious. I really thought there would be a Shang-Chi Mandarin tie-in there as a post credits teaser (sort of like Thanos at the end of The Avengers), but I guess those days are over. I do like EVC so having her back in a recurring role could be fun (especially as a Hydra-like mole), but they haven't really sold me on her motivations for going bad. Perhaps over time that will become clearer. Maybe she's the Glenn Close Jagged Edge type - "I will not be IGNORED!". Steve really should have called her after that CW kiss.

Agree the action was rather by-the-numbers. Outside of Sam's saving the truck at the end there wasn't any one "wow" scene, and even that borrowed from IM saving the ferry in Spidey HC.

Karli's ransom plot was rather silly/convoluted but then they needed them out in the open in order to have effective battles so I gave that a hand wave.

Karli's death could have been staged better. She threatens to expose Sharon as the PB, but when Sam shows up she points her gun at him instead of her? She knows Sam won't try to kill her & that she's at least his equal in hand to hand combat. Threatening to kill Sharon would have been a better play. Plus I'm guessing Sam's outfit probably has some bullet proof vibranium weaved into it anyway.

I did like Sam's speech and the Isaiah outcome, predictable as it might have been.

Agree that Bucky's talk with the old man should have been given more screen time. Bucky seems to have been gradually relegated to sidekick toward the end.

I chuckled over Zemo's butler blowing up the remaining Flag Smashers. Alfred's got nothing on that guy. Just don't think too long on how he was able to pull that off.

JLD seems to be enjoying vamping it up as Val. Can't wait to see more of her. Oh, and I liked Walker's moment when he chose to save the hostages vs. chasing Karli. They needed to give us a reason to like him going forward, and that was it. The cuts to his reactions during Sam's speech showing that he realized that the right guy had the shield now also helped. I thought Wyatt Russell was excellent in this episode. Well, save for his giddy reaction at the end with his wife.

 

[The Buffinator]

I would have expected more from a show that is pretty much an action/espionage series. Bucky for example was supposed to be an excellent fighter. Walker shouldn't be a slouch either. How they could be equaled by a rag-tag group of untrained super soldiers is just bad.

They had some good ideas:

Spoiler

such as distracting Bucky by giving him people to rescue rather than focusing on them. But suped-up Walker should have taken down at least a few of them.

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Well, you're assuming there was no rhyme or reason behind who got to take the super serum. Karli aside, it's possible that some of them actually were selected based on skills/experience they already possessed, be that combat training, karate, judo or some other martial arts training, or due to their innate athletic ability. Plus the serum not only made them super strong but also highly durable, so they weren't going down easily regardless of their training.

 

[jye4ever]

Had the Bucky-Father scene been given more time to breath and show emotions I would have been way less disappointed lol

But man was the choreography sloppy!

Falcon?s new digs at 1/6 will look amazing so happy they gave him the full comic accurate head piece!

So any guesses who she was talking with!!!!

 

[The Buffinator]

Had the Bucky-Father scene been given more time to breath and show emotions I would have been way less disappointed lol

But man was the choreography sloppy!

Falcon?s new digs at 1/6 will look amazing so happy they gave him the full comic accurate head piece!

So any guesses who she was talking with!!!!

Does "digs" mean clothes now? I thought it meant home or crib lol...

Hey, maybe Sharon's an evil Skrull. That could explain her questionable motivations. Isn't there a Secret Invasion show coming up?

 

[Sassafras]

Had the Bucky-Father scene been given more time to breath and show emotions I would have been way less disappointed lol

But man was the choreography sloppy!

Falcon?s new digs at 1/6 will look amazing so happy they gave him the full comic accurate head piece!

So any guesses who she was talking with!!!!

IMO this show wasn't really about Bucky; even if he's in the title and some good stuff was done with him. But not what could have been. What a waste.

All the money supposedly spent on this show and there's not one action scene I really wanna play over and over; even the best kinda reminds me of stuff I saw in Civil War and TWS. Like whoever choreographed it was unconsciously channeling scenes at times from TWS and CW. Or maybe it was deliberate.

For me the show was at it's best when the Bucky and Falcon had other folks around to interact with; Zemo, the Dora, Walker.

At least it left doorways open for something interesting. And IMO time for the fan edits that cut out the tropes and boat repair. Coz for me the editing or whatever it takes to build to a big finale fell off too, as things went on. Well, I did wanna know what was in the box from episode 5.

The show I was looking forward to I think is the one I wouldn't have made an effort for, mostly; hope Loki is an improvement.

 

[Josette]

As an already bitter Bucky fan, who was immediately put off this series when Sam got the shield instead of Bucky, I'm not getting much of an impression that I should bother watching this.

Did this show do any justice to Bucky's character at all? Honestly, I want to skip it as is, and I'm not seeing any reason to change my mind.

 

[e30ernest]

Well, you're assuming there was no rhyme or reason behind who got to take the super serum. Karli aside, it's possible that some of them actually were selected based on skills/experience they already possessed, be that combat training, karate, judo or some other martial arts training, or due to their innate athletic ability. Plus the serum not only made them super strong but also highly durable, so they weren't going down easily regardless of their training.

I would agree with you, but neither Bucky nor Walker were ordinary soldiers either. Bucky was The Winter Soldier while Walker has won 3 medal of honors. Walker pre-serum was already a force to be reckoned with. It seems he didn't really improve at all post-serum.

 

[matticus]

Best quote from the whole series:

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Batroc: "I wonder how much I can get for your new...bird costume." Falcon: "Maybe a baguette, a few french fries?"

 

[The Buffinator]

I would agree with you, but neither Bucky nor Walker were ordinary soldiers either. Bucky was The Winter Soldier while Walker has won 3 medal of honors. Walker pre-serum was already a force to be reckoned with. It seems he didn't really improve at all post-serum.

I'm just saying there's enough left unexplained that you can interpret the Flag Smashers' capabilities either way. Plus when you factor in Bucky's reluctance to use lethal force it's clear he's not operating as The Winter Soldier anymore. And pre-serum Walker's being the peak physical specimen in the U.S. military doesn't automatically make him superior to foreign enemies in hand-to-hand combat, and then when you introduce the serum all bets are off.

 

[Bravomite]

As an already bitter Bucky fan, who was immediately put off this series when Sam got the shield instead of Bucky, I'm not getting much of an impression that I should bother watching this.

Did this show do any justice to Bucky's character at all? Honestly, I want to skip it as is, and I'm not seeing any reason to change my mind.

As a Bucky fan I enjoyed the personal journey that his character went on throughout the mini-series. In some respects it does feel like the ending chapters in Return of the King, it's superfluous to the main story but nice to still spend some more time with the characters you like and gives them all a bit more closure (as this does for Bucky). The buddy cop dynamic with Sam were also enjoyable but there were not enough.

I too was a bit put off that Bucky was not given the shield first as they did in the comics - however, the show did win me over in that respect. After End Game, Bucky was not emotionally ready for the responsibility of the Shield and the Captain America title. Sam was the right choice as an individual but also the right choice for the people (not just Americans) in these more politically charged times. I'm more than Ok with Sam having the shield now (interestingly I think Bucky might now be on the path to becoming the right man to take on the mantle in the future should it be required).

The show itself is good and bad. It feels like a continuation on from TWS and CW but the writing is at times too laboured with its political messaging (a bit more subtly would have worked a lot better and the important points could still have been delivered). Episode 4 is the best by a mile and the real standout. It was good to have Zemo back, he's a real gem. Walker is a welcome character too, good acting. The 'twist' (if you can call it that) was also so predictable and didn't challenge your brain to work it out. The pacing is a bit off towards the end and the logic of the 'bad guys' is questionable as well but overall it was fun way to spend a few hours.

There's not enough Bucky but the Bucky you get is good. It should be called Falcon with a bit of Bucky haha.

 

[jye4ever]

As a Bucky fan I enjoyed the personal journey that his character went on throughout the mini-series. In some respects it does feel like the ending chapters in Return of the King, it's superfluous to the main story but nice to still spend some more time with the characters you like and gives them all a bit more closure (as this does for Bucky). The buddy cop dynamic with Sam were also enjoyable but there were not enough.

I too was a bit put off that Bucky was not given the shield first as they did in the comics - however, the show did win me over in that respect. After End Game, Bucky was not emotionally ready for the responsibility of the Shield and the Captain America title. Sam was the right choice as an individual but also the right choice for the people (not just Americans) in these more politically charged times. I'm more than Ok with Sam having the shield now (interestingly I think Bucky might now be on the path to becoming the right man to take on the mantle in the future should it be required).

The show itself is good and bad. It feels like a continuation on from TWS and CW but the writing is at times too laboured with its political messaging (a bit more subtly would have worked a lot better and the important points could still have been delivered). Episode 4 is the best by a mile and the real standout. It was good to have Zemo back, he's a real gem. Walker is a welcome character too, good acting. The 'twist' (if you can call it that) was also so predictable and didn't challenge your brain to work it out. The pacing is a bit off towards the end and the logic of the 'bad guys' is questionable as well but overall it was fun way to spend a few hours.

There's not enough Bucky but the Bucky you get is good. It should be called Falcon with a bit of Bucky haha.

Great post!

Oh it’s you...ok fine still great post lol

 

[ZE_501]

This was another mediocre outing for the MCU. There were moments and characters that hinted at something better but they were unable to put anything coherent or exciting together. Lame fight choreography, muddy cinematography, and the over-long speech given to a bunch of hardened political and economic elites who quietly rolled over in front of the press? Like that would have happened.

WandaVision failed to stick the landing but I don't think TFWS ever really took off.

And why is Bucky useless in combat suddenly? Did the Wakandans give him an inferior arm?

I also really don't buy the ragtag group of 'super-soldiers' being effective for long against Avengers and elite, battle-tested soldiers.

Bla.

 

[jye4ever]

This was another mediocre outing for the MCU. There were moments and characters that hinted at something better but they were unable to put anything coherent or exciting together. Lame fight choreography, muddy cinematography, and the over-long speech given to a bunch of hardened political and economic elites who quietly rolled over in front of the press? Like that would have happened.

WandaVision failed to stick the landing but I don't think TFWS ever really took off.

And why is Bucky useless in combat suddenly? Did the Wakandans give him an inferior arm?

I also really don't buy the ragtag group of 'super-soldiers' being effective for long against Avengers and elite, battle-tested soldiers.

Bla.

/\THIS/\

 

[Bravomite]

Great post!

Oh it’s you...ok fine still great post lol

haha

Hey!

 

[Sassafras]

As an already bitter Bucky fan, who was immediately put off this series when Sam got the shield instead of Bucky, I'm not getting much of an impression that I should bother watching this.

Did this show do any justice to Bucky's character at all? Honestly, I want to skip it as is, and I'm not seeing any reason to change my mind.

Yes, IMO it did; but

while I think to a degree Bucky's post-blip arc was treated reasonably; for myself the character for the most part didn't have they dry humor that is in some of the comics; Bucky IMO was served up as a symbolic wish fulfillment for apologizing for *stuff*; as a fighter seemed to be pigeon-holed mostly as a bruiser - which he is, of course, but IMO got nerfed from being the highly trained and deadly assassin, formerly feared by the intelligence community, to being kind of a charge-in hothead at one point - IMO totally off character and made no sense at all with his history and background.

There were a few real nice moments; but overall IMO doesn't do the character justice. He's primarily a sounding board and backup for Falcon's journey, if anything. Action sequences aren't that interesting. Or - if I had met Falcon and WS through this show alone, I wouldn't have taken to either character, probably. The much-touted real life, and very funny public friendship of the two actors is totally flattened. I guess u could call it *dramatic* but I thought it was - flat. Falcon seems off-character for me too, for that matter. Patronizing at times.

It could have been worse handling. But I expected a lot better. Some real good moments but IMO you can watch the best stuff, probably, in small chunks on YT and save yourself some time.

 

[matticus]

This should've been called, "The Falcon and The Winter Soldier: The African American Experience"

 

[Sassafras]

I'm just saying there's enough left unexplained that you can interpret the Flag Smashers' capabilities either way. Plus when you factor in Bucky's reluctance to use lethal force it's clear he's not operating as The Winter Soldier anymore. And pre-serum Walker's being the peak physical specimen in the U.S. military doesn't automatically make him superior to foreign enemies in hand-to-hand combat, and then when you introduce the serum all bets are off.

Yeah, but there's a couple of places where I was wondering if this series was implying that the blip removed some brain cells and that Bucky actually forgot all the stuff about being a TRAINED ASSASSIN and was more like a happy puppy charging in. To make Sam Wilson look leadership material; and on top of everything; I guess.

Doesn't compute with Bucky's history as a sniper, being a sargeant in the Army, or literally years of stalking and taking out targets.

As little as the Russos did with him in Infinity War, when Bucky got off 3 shots, 3 Outriders went down, which is the kind of thing I expect. But then again, it's clear this show shouldn't have been called the Falcon and Winter Soldier.

This was another mediocre outing for the MCU. There were moments and characters that hinted at something better but they were unable to put anything coherent or exciting together. Lame fight choreography, muddy cinematography, and the over-long speech given to a bunch of hardened political and economic elites who quietly rolled over in front of the press? Like that would have happened.

WandaVision failed to stick the landing but I don't think TFWS ever really took off.

And why is Bucky useless in combat suddenly? Did the Wakandans give him an inferior arm?

I also really don't buy the ragtag group of 'super-soldiers' being effective for long against Avengers and elite, battle-tested soldiers.

Bla.

Yeah, that speech reminded me of the corny speeches u get in lower grade disaster porn movies, where we all just pulled together y'all! - group hug. Channeling Oprah. But even the disaster porn and alien attack movies don't drag it out this much.

 

[Chakor]

Overall the show was a disappointment. For me it's in the same league as WV, if not slightly above only for Zemo.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Walker and Zemo were the only good things in it. Ultimately it was too preoccupied with being woke while sacrificing story and suffering from the crushing weight of Steve's shadow.