MARVEL' S Falcon and the Winter Soldier

[abake]

Making abake proud one post at a time lol

 

[a-dev]

"That's my secret Captain. I'm always triggered," lol.

Hey there big guy/gal/person of unassumed gender. Sun's getting real low

 

[jye4ever]

 

[BeefEaster]

Cancel Hulk for smashing without consent.

 

[e30ernest]

"The Falcon and the Winter Soldier Finale Gives Marvel Studios A Rare "Rotten" Score"

https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/news/the-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-finale-rotten-score/

I knew it! AoS > TFAWS

I love how they played Sam carrying Karli's dumb dead *** like it was on par with one of these moments, lol:

Not to mention Sam's wings were meant to make him look like some sort of angel. That's some ZS level imagery there!

 

[xipotec]

This!!!!!

And maybe the whole ?I?m a black cap, I can feel the eyes of hate on me?

In the real world maybe how ever many true white nationalist out there would be unhappy but I don?t think anyone else would care what color a Captain America would be.

We would be more upset with him comparing the USA to ISIS.

I have to disagree.


All I have heard on this thread and many other places was how Sam didn?t deserve the shield .......many times it?s just veiled racist nonsense ......although I doubt even the people saying it realize that they are being racist.


Bucky should never have gotten the shield, for anyone paying attention he would be the last person who wanted it and deserved it.

Sam has been represented as Cap 2.0. He has proven his loyalty and honor over and over, more than any other Avenger, he embodies what Cap was when he was Steve.

The whole ?on your left? was designed to showcase him as a selfless person who would always be standing next to Cap when he was needed.

He was literally written to have the shield, it?s was not. Surprise to me he got it at all. People wanted Bucky to have it because of the long standing friendship between Cap and Bucky, but they forget most of the time Bucky was the WS, hardly Caps friend or ?Left side?. As a matter of fact Bucky caused Cap the most misery in his life. He destroyed the Avengers and would never be accepted by the public as Cap. No to mention , Bucky did not want to be Cap!!!! Of course Steve knew this!

Explain why anyone else in the MCU should have gotten the shield besides Sam? Who was the better choice?


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[xipotec]

There has been an awokening! Have you felt it???

Your forget spiderwoman as spiderman.

All stuff that?s been around for years int he Marvel comics......

Woke is a right wing buzz word designed to muster anger over anything now white and male.......

As that list shows.


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[ZE_501]

[...] Bucky should never have gotten the shield, for anyone paying attention he would be the last person who wanted it and deserved it.

Sam has been represented as Cap 2.0. He has proven his loyalty and honor over and over, more than any other Avenger, he embodies what Cap was when he was Steve.[...]

I've never understood the Bucky thing. I mean yeah, tough luck for Barnes but he's got too way much blood on his hands no matter he was compelled to do it.

As for Sam...he's *literally* the Good Soldier. His conscience is clean and he spends his time counseling other soldiers. I think Spellman screwed up his character via bad writing, but in terms of the wholesome, selfless and righteous Captain America who the hell else could it possibly be??

 

[e30ernest]

I've never understood the Bucky thing. I mean yeah, tough luck for Barnes but he's got too way much blood on his hands no matter he was compelled to do it.

As for Sam...he's *literally* the Good Soldier. His conscience is clean and he spends his time counseling other soldiers. I think Spellman screwed up his character via bad writing, but in terms of the wholesome, selfless and righteous Captain America who the hell else could it possibly be??

I do think Sam earned the shield in this season. I did not understand why some would think Bucky to be worthy either. At least in the MCU and what he has done so far, he hasn't earned it yet.

I do wonder if some of the writing that feels lazy is due to the whole secondary (maybe even the primary) story that was removed. Maybe there was more substance there that would help make some of the moments in the series better.

 

[Khev]

I have to disagree.


All I have heard on this thread and many other places was how Sam didn?t deserve the shield

Really? Can you quote a single example of someone here saying that Sam didn't deserve the shield because I don't know that I've seen that said once.

 

[Khev]

Damn...

 

[punisher1974]

Sam deserved the shield which is why Steve gave it to him. Barnes was his best friend but had no desire for the shield in the movies. He still looks up to Steve so much that it would have been too much pressure for him. The issue for the show to me was not enough character development in Walker and the dynamic between Falcon and Bucky. The show has good elements but was very heavy handed and the Flag Smashers were built up to be a world threat but really a small band of people. Karli was very badly since most scenes of importance she did 180's on her speeches and goals. Reminded me of Ike in Tombstone.

 

[jedijim3002]

Damn...

That?s hilarious! [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]


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[ZE_501]

Damn...

[...]

For the most part an excellent takedown except...

Karli the Terrorist is not dumpy and her hair is irrelevant, although point taken on the bargain basement ’super soldiers’.

Walker is portrayed as *unstable* which I can buy, either inherently so or due to combat stress. One of the things that made Steve Rogers special was his ability to remain true to his ideals, which includes:

*Not killing an unarmed combatant who has clearly surrendered* no matter what they’ve done — Walker was in the wrong, plain and simple. With great power etc. etc.

And Walker was in no position to make the call about dosing himself, either.

What really pisses me off, is that Spellman and company are just handing right wing idiots and nutjobs an easy victory with this show.

 

[jedijim3002]

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[jal76]

I have to disagree.


All I have heard on this thread and many other places was how Sam didn?t deserve the shield .......many times it?s just veiled racist nonsense ......although I doubt even the people saying it realize that they are being racist.


Bucky should never have gotten the shield, for anyone paying attention he would be the last person who wanted it and deserved it.

Sam has been represented as Cap 2.0. He has proven his loyalty and honor over and over, more than any other Avenger, he embodies what Cap was when he was Steve.

The whole ?on your left? was designed to showcase him as a selfless person who would always be standing next to Cap when he was needed.

He was literally written to have the shield, it?s was not. Surprise to me he got it at all. People wanted Bucky to have it because of the long standing friendship between Cap and Bucky, but they forget most of the time Bucky was the WS, hardly Caps friend or ?Left side?. As a matter of fact Bucky caused Cap the most misery in his life. He destroyed the Avengers and would never be accepted by the public as Cap. No to mention , Bucky did not want to be Cap!!!! Of course Steve knew this!

Explain why anyone else in the MCU should have gotten the shield besides Sam? Who was the better choice?


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No lies detected here.

 

[jye4ever]

Marvel messed up they didn?t create Karli to the actresses strengths which are her natural freckles!

Marvel had the perfect opportunity to update the Pippi Longstocking look with Karli and they blew it!

Her sidekick could have even been named Oscar!

 

[Sassafras]

For the most part an excellent takedown except...

Karli the Terrorist is not dumpy and her hair is irrelevant, although point taken on the bargain basement ?super soldiers?.

Walker is portrayed as *unstable* which I can buy, either inherently so or due to combat stress. One of the things that made Steve Rogers special was his ability to remain true to his ideals, which includes:

*Not killing an unarmed combatant who has clearly surrendered* no matter what they?ve done ? Walker was in the wrong, plain and simple. With great power etc. etc.

And Walker was in no position to make the call about dosing himself, either.

What really pisses me off, is that Spellman and company are just handing right wing idiots and nutjobs an easy victory with this show.

What really pisses me off, is given a couple of classic Marvel characters and a huge boost in knowing their personalities/skill set already all the way back to TFA and TWS; instead of something I fanatically rewatch and buy lots of figures and statues of; that Kevin Feige (again) could botch it so badly. Worse, there's the prospect of more.

The Critical Drinker isn't wrong; overall like one Y-tuber put it, u could have e-mailed this one in. Well, except for Zemo and Walker. Far as I can tell, Bucky and Falcon's relationship is now based on Bucky being an apologetic sensitive white guy and Falcon telling him, and the rest of the world, that they just don't get it.

 

[TheDucky]

Really? Can you quote a single example of someone here saying that Sam didn't deserve the shield because I don't know that I've seen that said once.

He probably can’t. He just enjoys calling everyone racist and loves his false sense of moral superiority. Typical from those on the far-left.

 

[ironwez20]

Far left. Far right. They both suck . They only want to make money for themselves. The government doesn?t care about you. Anyway back to toys!