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[spindrift]

hate those bad black stripes- poor design choice...

 

[ironwez20]

Didn't Singer give us this in X1? Proper team and they were fighting the Brotherhood.

Yea for like 1 movie. And all the brother hood sorta died

 

[ironwez20]

I get it, Spider-Man is from New York.

God your negative

 

[jye4ever]

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Yea for like 1 movie. And all the brother hood sorta died

I like X and X2, but those teams didn't feel like much of a team.

Wolverine wasn't a real member, and the rest of the team was just Jean, Storm, and Cyclops and they all take a back seat to Logan.

The brotherhood was a bit better with Frog guy, Mystique, and Sabretooth. Still, the fights were mostly underwhelming, and Magneto was powerless for the final showdown.

X2, which is a bit better, has the team separated and in the final mission half the team is waiting in the ship, while the rest of the X Men team consists of Magneto and Mystique, with Jean, Storm, and Nightcrawler. There was very little team action, and again the center of attention was Wolverine. It's fine...but not great, imo.

The best X-Men team film was First Class, IMO.

However, again Magneto is part of the team and turns heel in the end, and the rest of the X-Men roster aren't classic members.

Had Jackman not made a cameo in First Class, they could have rebooted the franchise by doing a sequel in the mid or late 60's with Xavier, Jean, Cyclops, Beast, Ice Man, and Angel going up against Magneto and the brotherhood. Then introduce Wolvie in the third film and his story and add a few new mutants to the roster.

 

[jye4ever]

I like X and X2, but those teams didn't feel like much of a team.

Wolverine wasn't a real member, and the rest of the team was just Jean, Storm, and Cyclops and they all take a back seat to Logan.

The brotherhood was a bit better with Frog guy, Mystique, and Sabretooth. Still, the fights were mostly underwhelming, and Magneto was powerless for the final showdown.

X2, which is a bit better, it's an improvised mission with half the team waiting in the ship, while the rest of the X Men team consists of Magneto and Mystique, with Jean, Storm, and Nightcrawler. There was very little team action, and again the center of attention was Wolverine. It's fine...but not great, imo.

The best X-Men team film was First Class, IMO.

However, again Magneto is part of the team and turns heel in the end, and the rest of the X-Men roster aren't classic members.

Had Jackman not made a cameo in First Class, they could have rebooted the franchise by doing a sequel in the mid or late 60's with Xavier, Jean, Cyclops, Beast, Ice Man, and Angel going up against Magneto and the brotherhood. Then introduce Wolvie in the third film and his story and add a few new mutants to the roster.

Quick get your snickers bar ready here comes pturtle lol

 

[ironwez20]

I like X and X2, but those teams didn't feel like much of a team.

Wolverine wasn't a real member, and the rest of the team was just Jean, Storm, and Cyclops and they all take a back seat to Logan.

The brotherhood was a bit better with Frog guy, Mystique, and Sabretooth. Still, the fights were mostly underwhelming, and Magneto was powerless for the final showdown.

X2, which is a bit better, it's an improvised mission with half the team waiting in the ship, while the rest of the X Men team consists of Magneto and Mystique, with Jean, Storm, and Nightcrawler. There was very little team action, and again the center of attention was Wolverine. It's fine...but not great, imo.

The best X-Men team film was First Class, IMO.

However, again Magneto is part of the team and turns heel in the end, and the rest of the X-Men roster aren't classic members.

Had Jackman not made a cameo in First Class, they could have rebooted the franchise by doing a sequel in the mid or late 60's with Xavier, Jean, Cyclops, Beast, Ice Man, and Angel going up against Magneto and the brotherhood. Then introduce Wolvie in the third film and his story and add a few new mutants to the roster.

Yes. I want to see the actual original team members. I want to see angry mutants mad at a society that hates them and wants to kill them and the xmen try and defend the very people who fear and hate them. I loved Logan because it showed how predjudice humans are towards mutant kind and just see them as nothing but expendable weapons.

I want to see magneto hate human kind not always join the xmen each movie.

O and I actually want to see the xmen fight there villains . Not each other.

 

[pturtle]

Yea for like 1 movie. And all the brother hood sorta died

Only one member of the team died (I think he died), and it's an entire movie of X-Men vs Brotherhood why do we need more of that? That's like saying we need to see another Spider-Man movie with him fighting Green Goblin even though that's already happened and GG dies at the end

I like X and X2, but those teams didn't feel like much of a team.

Wolverine wasn't a real member, and the rest of the team was just Jean, Storm, and Cyclops and they all take a back seat to Logan.

The brotherhood was a bit better with Frog guy, Mystique, and Sabretooth. Still, the fights were mostly underwhelming, and Magneto was powerless for the final showdown.

X2, which is a bit better, has the team separated and in the final mission half the team is waiting in the ship, while the rest of the X Men team consists of Magneto and Mystique, with Jean, Storm, and Nightcrawler. There was very little team action, and again the center of attention was Wolverine. It's fine...but not great, imo.

The best X-Men team film was First Class, IMO.

However, again Magneto is part of the team and turns heel in the end, and the rest of the X-Men roster aren't classic members.

Had Jackman not made a cameo in First Class, they could have rebooted the franchise by doing a sequel in the mid or late 60's with Xavier, Jean, Cyclops, Beast, Ice Man, and Angel going up against Magneto and the brotherhood. Then introduce Wolvie in the third film and his story and add a few new mutants to the roster.

That sounds fun, but the movie still wouldn't have been as good as X2, and had they gone full reboot we would have never got the fantastic DOFP or Logan. Ironically Apocalypse gave us a final act with all the X-Men teaming up using their powers and the movie was pretty darn horrible. X-Men work best when they explore profound themes and aren't in colorful costumes

Yes. I want to see the actual original team members. I want to see angry mutants mad at a society that hates them and wants to kill them and the xmen try and defend the very people who fear and hate them. I loved Logan because it showed how predjudice humans are towards mutant kind and just see them as nothing but expendable weapons.

I want to see magneto hate human kind not always join the xmen each movie.

O and I actually want to see the xmen fight there villains . Not each other.

Almost every FoX-Men film already showed us mutants in society, the prejudices they deal with and how they handle it. In all honesty, it sounds like you just want to see more of the same, just in colorful costumes and maybe a Hulk cameo?

X1: X-Men vs Brotherhood

X2: X-Men vs Government/Stryker

X3: X-Men vs Phoenix and Brotherhood

First Class: X-Men vs Hellfire Club

DOFP: X-Men vs Sentinels

Apocalypse: X-Men vs Apocalypse and his horsemen

Where is all this fighting each other coming from?

 

[jye4ever]

I have to say that pturtle is right on all counts.

Damn.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

That sounds fun, but the movie still wouldn't have been as good as X2

Most people consider First Class and DOFP better than X2.

and had they gone full reboot we would have never got the fantastic DOFP or Logan. Ironically Apocalypse gave us a final act with all the X-Men teaming up using their powers and the movie was pretty darn horrible.

They could have done DOFP and Logan eventually with the new cast.

Ironically, Apocalypse had Magneto working with the X Men....again.

X-Men work best when they explore profound themes and aren't in colorful costumes

That's Singer talking.

You can have profound themes and colorful costumes.

Magneto still wears his silly costume and helmet and Wolverine still has his ridiculous hair, so colorful costume aren't an issue when it comes to the story.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

X1: X-Men vs Brotherhood

X2: X-Men vs Government/Stryker

X3: X-Men vs Phoenix and Brotherhood

First Class: X-Men vs Hellfire Club

DOFP: X-Men vs Sentinels

Apocalypse: X-Men vs Apocalypse and his horsemen

Where is all this fighting each other coming from?

This is more accurate

X-1- Wolverine and 3 X-Men vs Brotherhood ...minus Magneto

X-2- Wolverine and Magneto vs Stryker....Magneto turns heel

X-3- Wolverine and 4 X men vs Magneto/ Phoenix and Brotherhood

First Class- Xavier/Magneto vs Hellfire club...Magneto turns heel.

DOFP - Xavier/Wolverine vs Mystique/Midget ...Magneto turns heel ...again

Apocalypse- X-Men led by Mystique (wut) vs Magneto/Storm (x men)/ Angel (x men) and Apocalypse ...Magneto is good, turns heel, then turns good again

 

[DiFabio]

Most people consider First Class and DOFP better than X2.

Who are these imbeciles? Where are they?

 

[pturtle]

Most people consider First Class and DOFP better than X2.



They could have done DOFP and Logan eventually with the new cast.

Ironically, Apocalypse had Magneto working with the X Men....again.




That's Singer talking.

You can have profound themes and colorful costumes.

Magneto still wears his silly costume and helmet and Wolverine still has his ridiculous hair, so colorful costume aren't an issue when it comes to the story.

DOFP and X2 are considered the best of the FoX-Men films, First Class is actually pretty forgotten about which is sad because I think it's one of the best superhero films ever. X2 is undoubtably better than DOFP though, most people prefer DOFP because it's the newer.


DOFP and Logan don't get made without the older cast, and if they were made without them, they certainly wouldn't have the same affect. They're the main reason those movies exist. Hell, Hugh Jackman is the one who thought of the Logan story and pitched it to Mangold


Sure, they could have done a rebooted DOFP in their second movie (wouldn't make much sense) but what would be the point? DOFP works so well because it connects the entire franchise while rectifying some problems that X3 caused.

I was bringing up a movie where the entire team uses their powers, Magneto being their doesn't negate that but if you want a scene with the team using their powers without Mags then X1 ends with the entire team using their powers to stop Magneto, that whole team up power thing has been done since the first movie

I say this a lot, and I'll say it again but I have no problems with the colorful costumes, my problem is how much emphasis goes into wanting to see these characters in costume to the point that people would rather have the rights go back to Marvel just for some costumes and ignore all the great stuff FoX-Men has given us and continue on giving us. I loved the First Class flight suits. For as long as Wolverine is with Fox, there will probably never be another PG13 Wolverine movie again, but nope, everyone would rather Wolverine go back to Misney so he can where his spandex and have discussions with The Hulk. I just find that to be ridiculous.

 

[pturtle]

This is more accurate

X-1- Wolverine and 3 X-Men vs Brotherhood ...minus Magneto

X-2- Wolverine and Magneto vs Stryker....Magneto turns heel

X-3- Wolverine and 4 X men vs Magneto/ Phoenix and Brotherhood

First Class- Xavier/Magneto vs Hellfire club...Magneto turns heel.

DOFP - Xavier/Wolverine vs Mystique/Midget ...Magneto turns heel ...again

Apocalypse- X-Men led by Mystique (wut) vs Magneto/Storm (x men)/ Angel (x men) and Apocalypse ...Magneto is good, turns heel, then turns good again

I mean you could do this with any movie can't you?

You don't want to include Wolverine with the X-Men for the first movie, fine, but not the rest? Then the Avengers wasn't a team up movie either.

A1: Iron Man, Hulk, Cap, Thor, and two humans vs Loki and Chitauri

A2: Iron Man, Hulk, Cap, Thor and those same two overpowered humans vs Ultron and two Europeans with horrible accents, then they turn heel

GOTG: Starlord, Gamora, Drax, a Racoon and a tree vs some blue guy that's allergic to dance moves

I can do the same with Civil War and pretty much any other team up movie

Also, I wouldn't say Magneto turns heel in X2. He's clearly a villain, and had his own motives from the beginning which he never hid. X2 = GOAT

 

[DiFabio]

And how would the X-Men going to Marvel Studios/Disney even work? In a world that is already full of super powered heroes between the movies and the netflix tv shows, mutants wouldn't even be a big deal. I don't think they'd be hunted and feared, not to mention the mutant gene isn't even a thing in that cinematic universe. Unless you guys want a baby faced Xavier, Erik and Logan taking a backseat to Robert Downey Jr.

That's one of the things I don't really like about this Spider-Man. Instead of being one of the first superheroes as he should be, he's being thrust into a world where the likes of Iron Man, Captain America, The Hulk and Thor have been heroes for years. His own city had that whole Loki and the chitauri invasion, everything else that occurs in NY is small potatoes compared to that (soon to be even more insignificant once Thanos comes into play). Why does that world even need Spider-Man? I don't like that Tony Stark is a bigger influence on Spider-Man than Peter's Aunt and Uncle, it's just not right. I don't like that Spider-Man's first villains have ties to Tony Stark and the events that took place in Avengers. I prefer it separated.

I'm glad X-Men is in it's own universe. It would feel forced if Disney somehow got the rights from Fox and put them in the MCU. Somethings are best left to the imagination, that's what the comic books are for.

This whole idea of having them "go back home" is stupid. Marvel was struggling in the 90s and their biggest asset was a toy company. So they sold character rights to perfectly good movie studios (New Line, Fox, Sony Pictures) that helped Marvel avoid near-bankruptcy. There were great Spider-Man, X-Men and Blade movies before Iron Man and Hulk in 2008. That whole "Marvel Studios" opening everyone loves originated out of the original Spider-Man before the MCU even existed.

It doesn't take Disney or it's subsidiary company to make a good Marvel movie. It takes good filmmakers with a vision.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

DOFP and X2 are considered the best of the FoX-Men films, First Class is actually pretty forgotten about which is sad because I think it's one of the best superhero films ever. X2 is undoubtably better than DOFP though, most people prefer DOFP because it's the newer.

X2 and First Class both have the same score on RT, so you can say X2 is better, but the popular opinion says otherwise.

DOFP and Logan don't get made without the older cast, and if they were made without them, they certainly wouldn't have the same affect. They're the main reason those movies exist. Hell, Hugh Jackman is the one who thought of the Logan story and pitched it to Mangold

I like DOFP and Logan, so I have no problem with that, but we had to endure some awful films to get two good films.

All I'm saying, they could have continued the First Class story with the new cast instead of skipping a decade with each sequel for no reason and including pointless Jackman cameos...

I was bringing up a movie where the entire team uses their powers, Magneto being their doesn't negate that but if you want a scene with the team using their powers without Mags then X1 ends with the entire team using their powers to stop Magneto, that whole team up power thing has been done since the first movie

X1 is a Wolverine film with awful action. The X-Men "team" was just Jean, a lame ass Cyclops, and Storm going up against an old depowered Magneto.

Not exactly the ideal X MEN film, but good enough because it was that or nothing at a time when superhero films weren't popular.

Nowadays, they could do much better with accurate costumes being the cheery on top.

I say this a lot, and I'll say it again but I have no problems with the colorful costumes, my problem is how much emphasis goes into wanting to see these characters in costume to the point that people would rather have the rights go back to Marvel just for some costumes and ignore all the great stuff FoX-Men has given us and continue on giving us. I loved the First Class flight suits. For as long as Wolverine is with Fox, there will probably never be another PG13 Wolverine movie again, but nope, everyone would rather Wolverine go back to Misney so he can where his spandex and have discussions with The Hulk. I just find that to be ridiculous.

I get that, but Fox can do it too, if they ever move away from Singer's style.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Xmen also reside in NY but you don't see this crap going on:

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Now that's a movie I wanna see.

 

[a-dev]

Who are these imbeciles? Where are they?

Excellent reference.

a-dev nervously stands up

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I mean you could do this with any movie can't you?

You don't want to include Wolverine with the X-Men for the first movie, fine, but not the rest? Then the Avengers wasn't a team up movie either.

A1: Iron Man, Hulk, Cap, Thor, and two humans vs Loki and Chitauri

A2: Iron Man, Hulk, Cap, Thor and those same two overpowered humans vs Ultron and two Europeans with horrible accents, then they turn heel

GOTG: Starlord, Gamora, Drax, a Racoon and a tree vs some blue guy that's allergic to dance moves

But Iron Man, Hulk, Cap, Thor, and two humans are the Avengers with Loki being their first big villain.

Who are the X-Men films? Wolverine the part timer who somehow is the unofficial leader and an ever changing roster of backup characters.

I get why they did it, the films have to focus on a character, so they picked the most popular, Wolvie.

MCU gave certain character their own films first, then put them together as a team, and it works too.

GOTG didn't even do that, and it felt more like a legitimate team than ANY of the Fox Men rosters, which is the one thing that they never captured , imo.

The X Men are a dysfunctional family of weirdos, and I kind of felt that at the end of DOFP, but of course, we'll never get a film with that full "family" as a team.

 

[DiFabio]

X1 being called Wolverine's movie is debatable. It could easily be argued that it's Rogue's movie.