Marvel Studios/Sony - SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING

[jye4ever]

meh...

Ink will agree with my position.

I bet kara wants them all back at Marvel then you truly would be finished pturtle, kara is the king of XM lol

I mean you just argued why they should remain at Fox because Misney sucks and then immediately followed that up saying that the next XM movie will suck, do you have a fever.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Look at pturtle going full Aquamomoa on everyone who disagrees!!

He's like, "YEAH!!!!" while riding on top of Difabio's batmobile

 

[DiFabio]

It's not silly for these characters to go back to the MCU we already had 17 years worth of Fox XM movies and now they're just spinning their wheels because the license doesn't allow for anymore story growth.

XM Phoenix Rage whatever its going to be called is going to be the same **** again!

Doesn't matter the good to bad ratio of movies at each individual studios it's time to allow Marvel to bring the XM and FF home so that the movies can expand deep into far reaching character interactions.

All these studios having small pieces of the license needs to end.

Who cares if Marvel went bankrupt and was saved by the parting out of their characters that was the past they're healthy now so let them buy their characters back.

Except Deadpool, keep his lame ass character at Fox lol. Oh look i'm speaking to the audience just like Ferris Bueller ughhh.

Yes X1/X2/FC/DOFP/Logan were good but c'mon now the ceiling has been hit, so much so that they created a mess of a timeline because there was nowhere else they could take it!

It's also hilarious when I read that Misney is not capable of good story telling, oh no only Fox has the power to accomplish that lol.

Just Fox, a Hollywood studio no different than the other studios, can create true art lol.

I don't care how good X2 and Spiderman 2 were I don't want to see anymore contained stories with those characters

I want their motivations and leadership qualities to change its called character growth.

Yes Peter Parker now has other reasons why he does things not just because of Uncle Ben's death. Sure his death can still be part of it but lets allow these characters to branch out even more.

Oh no not Iron Man interacting with Spiderman creating new and unexplored dynamics in a superhero universe we can't have that it has to be about Uncle Ben 100% of the time!

Like I already said pturtle is 100% right we got our XM vs Brotherhood stories out of the way, now lets remove that ceiling shall we.

What's sickening is that WB/DC don't have to deal with that license restriction yet look at them lol (still looking forward to WW/JL though).

And Marvel has hit their ceiling as well my old friend. There's not much left for them to offer that we haven't already seen, that includes little Spider-Twink here.

Look at pturtle going full Aquamomoa on everyone who disagrees!!

He's like, "YEAH!!!!" while riding on top of Difabio's batmobile

Until next week where pturtle and I disagree on something and I suddenly find myself braking as hard as I can at 120 mph . . .

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

And Marvel has hit their ceiling as well my old friend. There's not much left for them to offer that we haven't already seen, that includes little Spider-Twink here.

Aunt May sex scene.

 

[a-dev]

Aunt May sex scene.

Criminally lacking in all previous films.

 

[DiFabio]

Aunt May sex scene.

Already have her in The Wrestler (with Ivan Vanko, aka Whiplash) to fulfill these desires.

 

[SNIKT1950]

It's not silly for these characters to go back to the MCU we already had 17 years worth of Fox XM movies and now they're just spinning their wheels because the license doesn't allow for anymore story growth.

This is hilarious.

FOX has ten films in the works and several shows (that unlike Marvel's are actually connected) yet here you are saying FOX has "exhausted" the license. Again, hilarious.

Wishing for a universe where the X-Men can interact with the Avengers is wishing for an adaptation of the X-Men that's generic and aimed primarily at children.

At FOX us adults (I'm 37) can actually enjoy these CBMs without cringing at the kiddie gags and light tone that Feige continues to generously employ in his safe interconnected universe.

 

[jye4ever]

I don't think Fox will be going hard R on every cbm.

Eventually they'll have to broaden their movies back out to a much larger demographic or they will forever be locked at much lower budgets while trying to compete with the big budget family friendly superhero spectacles from Marvel/WB.

 

[SNIKT1950]

I don't think Fox will be going hard R on every cbm.

Eventually they'll have to broaden their movies back out to a much larger demographic or they will forever be locked at much lower budgets while trying to compete with the big budget family friendly superhero spectacles from Marvel/WB.

They don't need to go R with everything. Both New Mutants & X-Men: The Phoenix Saga will be PG-13. The important thing is that they won't pander to the young demographic Disney has clearly been targeting since AOU with the MCU.

Just watch Legion. Its a brilliant show which is absolutely not for children, yet its not TV-MA either.

Its all about tone.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

If the X-Men were part of the MCU, they could still be their own separate franchise with the occasional character cameo or reference here and there.

They would have to show up for big events like Infinity War or any other universal threat...but they do that in the comics too.

But they can still have Netflix shows with X-Men characters, team up films with Wolverine and Punisher or Wolverine, Colossus, and Hulk. The list goes on and on.

They can do certain cosmic and other world stories since the MCU has done a good job at expanding their universe, unlike Fox.

Thrown in the Fantastic 4, every villain and supporting character that Fox has available into the MCU, and they could really make things work.

It's too bad that WB, the one studio who owns all 20 thousand characters and has zero license rights issues are a bunch of incompetents, and can't even get their **** together.

 

[jye4ever]

MCU movies have as much adult themes on display as the Fox movies do.

If one chooses to ignore them then that's on them.

Movies can be family friendly and still have different layers meant for different ages.

There are plenty of fans of the MCU characters who are content with their output.

Most consider Captain America a better Superman than the current WB Superman, clearly those fans are happy with how Captain America is being presented.

RDJ is synonymous with Stark just as Jackman is with Wolverine, that didn't happen because of mediocre filmmaking.

So Fox gets credit for giving life to Jackman/Wolverine but Misney doesn't for giving life to RDJ/Stark?

Spiderman was a huge hit being back into the MCU, Sony even admitted that.

Marvel isn't pandering to children, they're pandering to entire familes.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Marvel isn't pandering to children, they're pandering to entire familes.

The last movie that didn't feel like a kids movie was The Winter Soldier.

As much as I enjoyed GOTG it really walked the line. Gunn pulled it off though and never lost me. Props to him.

AOU was the beginning of the "new MCU" where they basically did away with all stakes and adult themes. Ant-Man took that even further.

CW should have been the great redeemer but instead did more of the same. Superb trailers once more amounted to a safe story where nobody is in any real danger and the "plot" (if we're gonna call it that) is just an excuse to have that skirmish at the hangar. The whole movie is meaningless.

Then Doc Strange. My God, that was rough. But I guess everyone should have known when word broke that Feige enlisted Dan Harmon to add more humor to the script.

They're definitely skewing young now and its a problem.

I expect more of the same with Homecoming. GOTG2 via Gunn might still have a chance at being more than just another pointless MCU installment. Same goes for Coogler's BP. I have hope for that one.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

If the X-Men were part of the MCU, they could still be their own separate franchise with the occasional character cameo or reference here and there.

They would have to show up for big events like Infinity War or any other universal threat...but they do that in the comics too.

But they can still have Netflix shows with X-Men characters, team up films with Wolverine and Punisher or Wolverine, Colossus, and Hulk. The list goes on and on.

They can do certain cosmic and other world stories since the MCU has done a good job at expanding their universe, unlike Fox.

Thrown in the Fantastic 4, every villain and supporting character that Fox has available into the MCU, and they could really make things work.

It's too bad that WB, the one studio who owns all 20 thousand characters and have zero license rights issues are a bunch of incompetents, and can't even get their **** together.

The X-Men were in the Infinity Gauntlet

 

[YoNoSe]

Ant-Man spends more time dealing with the repercussions of Scott Lang's criminal record as a non-violent thief than FoXMen do with Magneto's mass-murdering rampages.

 

[pturtle]

They don't need to go R with everything. Both New Mutants & X-Men: The Phoenix Saga will be PG-13. The important thing is that they won't pander to the young demographic Disney has clearly been targeting since AOU with the MCU.

Just watch Legion. Its a brilliant show which is absolutely not for children, yet its not TV-MA either.

Its all about tone.

Snikt, my FoX-Men brethren. I hate disagreeing with you, but you don't think the MCU has been targeting the kiddies since before AOU? I mean, while I think AOU is a worse film, I don't think I can say it was less mature than the first Avengers. Cap, Thor, and The Incredible Hulk are all aimed a children. Hell, even Iron Man is aimed at them, but I think it does a great job at balancing the humor, action and drama. Honestly, MCU tone has been fairly consistent since Iron Man 2. Iron Man is the only movie that feels a bit different in terms of tone, and that was before Disney bought Marvel so it makes sense.

If the X-Men were part of the MCU, they could still be their own separate franchise with the occasional character cameo or reference here and there.

They would have to show up for big events like Infinity War or any other universal threat...but they do that in the comics too.

But they can still have Netflix shows with X-Men characters, team up films with Wolverine and Punisher or Wolverine, Colossus, and Hulk. The list goes on and on.

They can do certain cosmic and other world stories since the MCU has done a good job at expanding their universe, unlike Fox.

Thrown in the Fantastic 4, every villain and supporting character that Fox has available into the MCU, and they could really make things work.

It's too bad that WB, the one studio who owns all 20 thousand characters and have zero license rights issues are a bunch of incompetents, and can't even get their **** together.

But Marvel would never put X-Men on Netflix. If they got the rights back that would be the last thing they do, the X-Men is way too much of a lucrative property to put on TV, and no way can Netflix's budget handle the X-Men. All the Netflix MCU stuff is made on dirt cheap budgets and their characters don't need tons of special effects.

The Netflix shows and the MCU are separate, all the actors have been saying this. I also can't see any of the Netflix characters fitting into the movies because both universe are so different from each other. Netflix is dark, serious and more grounded, the MCU is light hearted and fun. It just wouldn't mesh well in my opinion.

What would make you think every character going to Marvel would work? You want all the villains there even though Marvel has failed to give us one decent villain so far?

This kills me, Fox can produce Oscar worthy superhero films, give us iconic villains, iconic characters and you guys still want these characters at Misney. I just don't get it

MCU movies have as much adult themes on display as the Fox movies do.

If one chooses to ignore them then that's on them.

Movies can be family friendly and still have different layers meant for different ages.

There are plenty of fans of the MCU characters who are content with their output.

Most consider Captain America a better Superman than the current WB Superman, clearly those fans are happy with how Captain America is being presented.

RDJ is synonymous with Stark just as Jackman is with Wolverine, that didn't happen because of mediocre filmmaking.

So Fox gets credit for giving life to Jackman/Wolverine but Misney doesn't for giving life to RDJ/Stark?

Spiderman was a huge hit being back into the MCU, Sony even admitted that.

Marvel isn't pandering to children, they're pandering to entire familes.

MCU does have some adult themes but they rarely focus on them, and tend to keep things so lighthearted to the point you barely notice them.

 

[jye4ever]

Ant-Man spends more time dealing with the repercussions of Scott Lang's criminal record as a non-violent thief than FoXMen do with Magneto's mass-murdering rampages.

lolololololololol

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

What would make you think every character going to Marvel would work? You want all the villains there even though Marvel has failed to give us one decent villain so far?

That's not true at all. That's just your inner Foxmen fanboy talking now.

First, lets look at the so called great iconic Fox villains....excluding F4, which ruined the great Dr. Doom and Galactus.

They have Magneto and the original Mystique.

Magneto is a great character and villain, both the young and old version. Original Mystique was a good henchwoman...maybe even iconic.

That's it.

The rest haven't been great or iconic at all. Stryker, Trask, Kevin Bacon, Apocalypse...etc...

Some are better than others, but I can't say that Stryker is that much better than Robert Redford in TWS, Zemo in CW , Jeff Bridges in Iron Man or The Winter Soldier himself.

The MCU does have a great villain in Loki. He's a great character too when you look at his role in Thor and Avengers.

Is he better than Magneto? That's debatable.

Magneto has become very repetitive and the way he's used also became repetitive and predictable, so he isn't perfect by any means.

IMO, Fox has been making superhero films for 17 years, and they gave us 2 really memorable villains, Magneto and Original Mystique.

Disney in 9 years has given us 2 memorable villains (Loki TWS), which is not great either.

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3 villains if you count Kingpin, which is Disney. He's a great character and villain.

 

[jye4ever]

That's not true at all. That's just your inner Foxmen fanboy talking now.

First, lets look at the so called great iconic Fox villains....excluding F4, which ruined the great Dr. Doom and Galactus.

They have Magneto and the original Mystique.

Magneto is a great character and villain, both the young and old version. Original Mystique was a good henchwoman...maybe even iconic.

That's it.

The rest haven't been great or iconic at all. Stryker, Trask, Kevin Bacon, Apocalypse...etc...

Some are better than others, but I can't say that Stryker is that much better than Robert Redford in TWS, Zemo in CW , Jeff Bridges in Iron Man or The Winter Soldier himself.

The MCU does have a great villain in Loki. He's a great character too when you look at his role in Thor and Avengers.

Is he better than Magneto? That's debatable.

Magneto has become very repetitive and they way he's used also became repetitive and predictable, so he isn't perfect by any means.

IMO, Fox has been making superhero films for 17 years, and they gave us 2 really memorable villains, Magneto and Original Mystique.

Disney in 9 years has given us 2 memorable villains (Loki TWS), which is not great either.

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3 villains if you count Kingpin, which is Disney. He's a great character and villain.

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[pturtle]

That's not true at all. That's just your inner Foxmen fanboy talking now.

First, lets look at the so called great iconic Fox villains....excluding F4, which ruined the great Dr. Doom and Galactus.

They have Magneto and the original Mystique.

Magneto is a great character and villain, both the young and old version. Original Mystique was a good henchwoman...maybe even iconic.

That's it.

The rest haven't been great or iconic at all. Stryker, Trask, Kevin Bacon, Apocalypse...etc...

Some are better than others, but I can't say that Stryker is that much better than Robert Redford in TWS, Zemo in CW , Jeff Bridges in Iron Man or The Winter Soldier himself.

The MCU does have a great villain in Loki. He's a great character too when you look at his role in Thor and Avengers.

Is he better than Magneto? That's debatable.

Magneto has become very repetitive and they way he's used also became repetitive and predictable, so he isn't perfect by any means.

IMO, Fox has been making superhero films for 17 years, and they gave us 2 really memorable villains, Magneto and Original Mystique.

Disney in 9 years has given us 2 memorable villains, which is not great either.

Stryker is a far better villain than every MCU character combined. Unfortunately he doesn't have superpowers so I doubt he could ever become iconic.

Old Mystique, Magneto and Fassneto.

Also the Sentinels > Ultron > Chitauri.

Loki better than Magneto? That's not even debatable, both Magneto's are far better and more iconic.

Also, MCU has given us more villains compared to FoX-Men

FoX has been at it for 17 years but MCU already has more films which is really what we should be going by.

Let's look at all the MCU villains Marvel has given us

Obidiah Stane - underrated but only okay

Whiplash - Horrible

Justin Hammer - horrible

Abomination - forgettable

Thor 1 Loki - good

Red Skull - forgettable and underutilization

Avengers Loki - A joke

The mandarin - a joke

Kree villain from Guardians - so bad I can't even remember his name : lol

Redford in TWS - also can't remember his name, I wonder why?

Zemo- as of now absolutely forgettable and most critics found him to be the weakest part of the movie, can't say the same about Brian Cox's Stryker.

The Winter Soldier - Okay

Malekith - arguably the worst villain in the MCU

Ultron also arguably the worst villain in the MCU

X1 - Mags - Iconic

X1 - Mystique - great

X2 - Mags - Iconic

X2 Stryker - great

X2 Mystique - great

X3 Mags - meh

X3 Phoenix - disappointing

Origins - Sabertooth good (only good thing about the movie)

First Class - Fassneto - amazing

First Class - Shaw - okay

The Wolverine - Silver Samurai - Forgettable

The Wolverine - Viper - terrible

Days of Future Past - Sentinels - good

DOFP - Magneto great

DOFP - Trask - Forgettable

X-Men Apocalypse - Apocalypse and his horsemen - crap

Logan - Donald Pierce - Good

Logan - X24 - okay

Honestly Zod is better than every villain in the MCU with the exception of Loki and that universe is only 3 movie in.

I will say this though, the Nolan universe smokes both the FoX-Men franchise and MCU in terms of villains, and that was a trilogy

This is probably where me and Difabio argue

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Fox = ICONIC




MCU= meh...

All I see.

Yup, not bias at all.