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Marvel Studios/Sony - SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING
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Man, High School Parker means whiny little brat Parker from the first 20 issues. If they never make any movies past that point, how are we supposed to get the actually good stories and villains? Kraven's Last Hunt can't work in a high school setting. Pete should be at least college level. Between the Set Visit info and this... MCU Spider-Man looks like it's gonna be stale and bad as ****... Vulture sounds great though...
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Got that right. Already is to a degree.
The Clown Prince of Crime
Super Freak
It'll be alright
Well, Vulture has a very good backstory from what I've read, and maybe they'll bring in some other great actors for the villains... Honestly, I think after Avengers 4 the MCU should retire. Wait a few years, and then do a reboot, but this time take the Ultimate route. Not so much branching out. Put your focus in a core group. Be a bit more "edgy". Have Pete begin as a University student. Have Tony as less of a jokester and more as a suicidal alcoholic with depression who uses jokes to mask it all. Have Cap be more '40s (though Evans!Cap is my all time fave Cap). Either go full magic viking god with Thor, or play with the "is he nuts" trope. Change it up a bit, and instead of giving folks like Ant-Man flicks, establish a core group and explore them.
The Clown Prince of Crime
Super Freak
We already got that with Spider Tobey.
Makes sense for them to keep Peter in high school since the actor looks very young. Might as well take vantage of his youth while they still can.
He'll eventually look to old and they'll have him in college and working for the newspaper.
Pete was out og HS after issue 25 or so. For 670+ issues he's been a grown up or a college guy. More than one HS films are overkill. Unless people want Kraven burrying a 15 yo and then blowing his brains out... Or the "genius" story about Black Cat being in her 30s, and feeling like a predator when she tries to **** Parker. Or have Norman, the billionare self-made man, have a vendetta with a kid... Yay...
Alright it might be. But great it won't be. And that's because it's the same old ****. Keaton's gonna be great though. The leaks are top notch.
So? Just 'cause Tobey's Parker was a grown-up it means we have to get the Ultimate Spider-Man tv show in live action form? It's not about having Peter working for the DB and butting heads with Jonah. It's about giving us a truly kick-ass Spider-Man. Guy's one of the most dangerous Earth-based heroes (excluding OPs like Blue Marvel, Doom, Binary, etc, etc) and rarely gets respect. His best stories don't work if he's a kid, because you have a Rogues' Gallery of 50+ year old men, trying to kill a kid, movie in, movie out. It becomes silly.
The Clown Prince of Crime
Super Freak
25 issues? How many villains did spidey go up against in those 25 issues? He faced some of his most iconic villains, while he was in high school. It can work on film.
How many issues was the Ultimate Spidey in High School?
The Clown Prince of Crime
Super Freak
You mentioned the comics, but they haven't done the Ultimate Spidey on film, and considering the MCU has barrowed from the ultimate comics, they might as well go with Ultimate Spidey.
Spidey fought some of his most iconic villains while in high school.
In fact, he fought your boy Doom on his 5th issue
So yes, it's silly. You're right about that. So?
Peter graduated High School in issue 28. By that time he had faced Sandman, Vulture, Mysterio, Doc Ock, Molten Man, the Circus of Crime, the Enforcers, the Crime Master, Kraven, Electro, Green Goblin (although the plan was for Goblin to be just a mob boss at that point, so it wasn't Osborn or the classic version, just a guy with a gimmick) and the Living Brain (plus some early form of Spider-Slayers). The point is, they were all done-in-one stories that followed the same path. The villain commits a crime, Spidey tags him, he either loses and defeats him a second time, or the villain follows him to the school and then Pete defeats him. All of them end with Aunt May almost catching him, Peter lying, and an "aw schucks" moment. There's nothing memorable or unique about them.
In the Ultimate Universe he remained in High SChool for the whole duration of the series, which was dumb as hell, considering we got about 170 issues or so. And again, the Ultimate SM version didn't produce any great stories, mostly because it was just Bendis stretching **** out and putting a spin on stories estblished in the 616 verse.
My point is, that I'm tired of the akward, teenager Peter who cares about getting laid and Aunt May not finding out. The character matured throughout all of his decades, and became a bad-ass with his life on track. But ever since the Slott era started, Marvel is dead-set on having Pete be a wee lil guy, who's not more mature than a 13 year old.
TL;DR I'm sick and tired of High School and I want to see a truly bad-ass Spider-Man be ut on screen, alongside an evil Norman, a deranged Kraven, a psychotic Carnage and so on and so forth. Spider-Man isn't as dark as Batman (usually), but he needs to be more mature than a breathing cartoon.
You mentioned the comics, but they haven't done the Ultimate Spidey on film, and considering the MCU has barrowed from the ultimate comics, they might as well go with Ultimate Spidey.
Spidey fought some of his most iconic villains while in high school.
In fact, he fought your boy Doom on his 5th issue
So yes, it's silly. You're right about that. So?
They also haven't done MC2 Spider-Man. Or Superior. Or Scarlet Spider. Or... There are lots of things they haven't done, and with this direction, they probably won't. I'm really not interested in a "your parents were SHIELD's best scientists, so when they died, I, Nick Fury, kept watch over you, waiting for you to become someone special, and now I'm grooming you to lead the Ultimates" storyline.
Yes, he fought them. And that was it. He just came across them and fought them. They robbed banks, Spidey stopped them. Wee, exciting... so much material for multiple movies...
Yeah, and he also attempted to join the FF in the first issue...
The Clown Prince of Crime
Super Freak
I think they were trying to do that with Spider-Man 3 and ASM2, but things didn't work out.
It'll be a while before we get to the adult Spidey, which is the one I grew up with, but who knows what will happen after the MCU deal ends and if the "R" rated Venom film works?
Maybe the MCU will introduce Miles and keep him as the MCU Spidey while Sony does older Peter Parker films with R rated Venom.
SM3 failed 'cause they botched the Symbiote Saga and shoehorned Sandman in Uncle Ben's murder. TASM2 failed 'cause they wanted their own "MCU", but instead of waiting, they went all WB and dumped everything into one film...
The MCU flicks might still be enjoyable, but my point is, they won't be truly good Spider-Man films, because they'll be stuck in a rather insignificant time of the character. He spent less than 1% of his total publication time in High School.
The Clown Prince of Crime
Super Freak
It depends on your definition of a "truly good" spider man film.
Most people consider SM2 a truly great Spider-Man film. He was barely out f high school and Doc Ock was a one movie villain.
High School can work, since it's a movie, not a comic.
SM2 featured a mature Parker and treated Ock with respect. It didn't shoehorn plots. It didn't have him worrying about school and Aunt May catching him. It told a personal story about Peter and Ock.
As for the "one time" thing, I meant that in those first 28 there were no groundbreaking stories, as most villains had simple "rob a bank" plots. SM2's Ock had traits of his Master Planner persona with his whole scheme.
The MCU's High School route is basically putting Peter through teenage troubles. Getting laid, fitting in and getting good marks. That's okay for one flick, but not for more. At least IMO...
The Clown Prince of Crime
Super Freak
Spider-Man 2 had Peter struggling in school, girl problems, hiding from Aunt May, issues with his best friend who hates Spidey, issues about being Spider man, and Peter and Doc's personal story wasn't that personal at all since Doc was only interested in building a machine...and the first thing he did was rob a bank, and Spider-Man stopping him like in those first 25 issues....oh and on top of that Aunt May was kidnapped and rescued by Spidey
I don't expect much from a Spider-Man film, as long as the story makes sense.
In SM Peter was living alone, attended college and generally the focus was on Parker as a person, dealing with all of his problems as a young adult. It was an adaptation of "Spider-Man No More", with the whole losing his powers bit, with a bit of "The Master Planner" thrown in there. Yes, girl, school and money problems were there, but as a backdrop. In a High School setting they become the main stories.
As for Ock, he robbed a bank to finance his plan. It was merely a step of his overall scheme. In the early stories, folks like Sandman just stole **** and Peter stopped them. There was overarching story about it. Like most crime fighters, he fought petty crimes.
jye4ever
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First Spiderman movie with a real teenage actor and darth is ready to move on lol.
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