Marvel Studios/Sony - SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING

[karamazov80]

Wonder Woman was really good. Spidey: Homecoming was great. I have spoken. We can close the thread now.

 

[jye4ever]

Wonder Woman was really good. Spidey: Homecoming was great. I have spoken. We can close the thread now.

What did you think of GOTG2?

 

[karamazov80]

I thought it was good. I was actually a bit disappointed because I think Gunn got too sentimental and was borderline pandering to the audience at the end with Yondu. From the first film, Yondu was my favorite character. After part 2, I liked him a lot less because he got neutered. But, I have also noticed that most folks have the total opposite view of me, loved what happened with him, and developed an emotional attachment or whatever. But it didn't click for me on that level. Also, I felt the soundtrack was a big step down and not nearly as effective as the first film. But it was a fun movie to watch. Russell and Pratt were good together. Mantis is an interesting addition. I just don't know if I'll have any interest in watching it again in the foreseeable future.

 

[Khev]

Spidey: Homecoming was great.

So you found the final showdown between Spidey and Toomes satisfying?

 

[jye4ever]

So you're 3 for 3 so far not bad for you lol

 

[Khev]

Spidey: Homecoming was great!

So you found the final showdown between Spidey and Toomes satisfying?

Okay, fine, forget I asked then.

 

[karamazov80]

Sorry, I do have a job that sometimes requires actual work

To JYE's post, yes, I'm very happy with the comic movies so far this year. Ragnarok has the potential to be the best of the bunch, but. . .we'll see. I loved this Spidey movie, so it's going to be tough to come out above that one in my mind.

So you found the final showdown between Spidey and Toomes satisfying?

I did. In part because of the duration and structure of the film. It wasn't just Spidey and Vulture on the Jersey shore (or whatever it was). It was everything that led up to that, starting with the drive to the dance, leading up to Spidey grabbing onto the plane, then the crash, and then the last ditch attempt by Vulture to steal those arc reactors. And the scene played out pretty logically, all things considered. Would it have been more fulfilling if the actual fight went on for 10 minutes like the end of Civil War? Maybe. But something's got to give. The audience was about ready for the film to end at that point.

 

[pturtle]

Yeah I was surprised, also didn't get the love for Keaton, he was a decent villain, decent. I guess we're starved for a good villain since MCU's are usually so lame.

Liked all the cast, I also liked that it was a smaller story with no doomsday device.

Definitely WW levels of overhype.

It happens with almost every MCU movie when they release. I'm sure it'll be the same with the villain of the next Thor film. Marvel tends to cast fan favorite or actually great actors as their villains and before the these films come out the fanboys already have it engraved in their brain that the villain will be amazing.

I will say this though, I thought Homecoming was far better than Wonder Woman. I honestly think this is a case of people letting reviews sway how they feel because Wonder Woman felt like MCU light. I refuse to keep giving money to any of these studios until we get more original, risky films like Logan, which I also believe is a bit overrated but I respect Fox for trying something newer for the genre.

 

[ShadowX81]

It happens with almost every MCU movie when they release. I'm sure it'll be the same with the villain of the next Thor film. Marvel tends to cast fan favorite or actually great actors as their villains and before the these films come out the fanboys already have it engraved in their brain that the villain will be amazing.

I will say this though, I thought Homecoming was far better than Wonder Woman. I honestly think this is a case of people letting reviews sway how they feel because Wonder Woman felt like MCU light. I refuse to keep giving money to any of these studios until we get more original, risky films like Logan, which I also believe is a bit overrated but I respect Fox for trying something newer for the genre.

I just can't always get behind something "new" for its own sake. Yes, risk and originality lead to innovation, but that doesn't mean that every experiment will be a successful one. Look at "Legion", a show that is very original, but also has a lot of bizarre elements that don't all work. Yet its almost constantly praised for its originality, regardless of how much any of those ideas actually deserve to be there.

Sometimes a formula exists for a reason. Because it has been proven to work. It's the same reason you don't all much creativity in car or airplane designs like in the old days. We found something that is efficient and stick to it. And personally I could have used a bit more classic Spidey and MCU formula in this.

 

[spindrift]

It happens with almost every MCU movie when they release. I'm sure it'll be the same with the villain of the next Thor film. Marvel tends to cast fan favorite or actually great actors as their villains and before the these films come out the fanboys already have it engraved in their brain that the villain will be amazing.

I will say this though, I thought Homecoming was far better than Wonder Woman. I honestly think this is a case of people letting reviews sway how they feel because Wonder Woman felt like MCU light. I refuse to keep giving money to any of these studios until we get more original, risky films like Logan, which I also believe is a bit overrated but I respect Fox for trying something newer for the genre.

I do agree this Spidey was a great film and better than WW easily- but we all know that story.

 

[Khev]

I did. In part because of the duration and structure of the film. It wasn't just Spidey and Vulture on the Jersey shore (or whatever it was). It was everything that led up to that, starting with the drive to the dance, leading up to Spidey grabbing onto the plane, then the crash, and then the last ditch attempt by Vulture to steal those arc reactors. And the scene played out pretty logically, all things considered. Would it have been more fulfilling if the actual fight went on for 10 minutes like the end of Civil War? Maybe. But something's got to give. The audience was about ready for the film to end at that point.

Hmm I probably would have been inclined to agree had the Staten Island Ferry showdown had a little more oomph to it. Then I could have more easily accepted a relatively anti-climactic final showdown. Like RoboCop where we saw an epic battle between Murphy and the ED-209 but then later it was just time for the movie to end so he dispatched ED easily. And in that movie it obviously worked. But with Homecoming I kept feeling like I was waiting for that one showstopping battle between Spidey and Vulture but IMO it never came.

Maybe watching it again with modified expectations will put me closer to your mindset and I'll like it more. We'll see.

 

[pturtle]

I just can't always get behind something "new" for its own sake. Yes, risk and originality lead to innovation, but that doesn't mean that every experiment will be a successful one. Look at "Legion", a show that is very original, but also has a lot of bizarre elements that don't all work. Yet its almost constantly praised for its originality, regardless of how much any of those ideas actually deserve to be there.

Sometimes a formula exists for a reason. Because it has been proven to work. It's the same reason you don't all much creativity in car or airplane designs like in the old days. We found something that is efficient and stick to it. And personally I could have used a bit more classic Spidey and MCU formula in this.

That's fair, I can see where you're coming from on that, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Now when it comes to my safety, I sure as hell appreciate something safe and reliable over innovation, even though a lot of people really do appreciate innovative ways of traveling now, just look at uber, and ubereats.

When it comes to entertainment though, i appreciate ambitious filmmaking, even if it fails. At the end of the day, movies like MOS, and BvS will at least be remembered for being polarizing films, while about 75% of the MCU will be forgotten. These movies are essentially just filler until we get to the big Avengers spectacle. They always do just enough to be watchable.

How many MCU movies can you actually say are great films? This whole universe building thing is really killing the quality of movies these days. It's just a gimmick that's not enhancing these films in anyway.

Homecoming didn't really have anything to say, it didn't really do anything different, it's all be done before and a lot better in my opinion.

I do agree this Spidey was a great film and better than WW easily- but we all know that story.

I don't think this Spidey film was great at all, but yea, it was far better than Wonder Woman.

 

[spindrift]

That's fair, I can see where you're coming from on that, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Now when it comes to my safety, I sure as hell appreciate something safe and reliable over innovation, even though a lot of people really do appreciate innovative ways of traveling now, just look at uber, and ubereats.

When it comes to entertainment though, i appreciate ambitious filmmaking, even if it fails. At the end of the day, movies like MOS, and BvS will at least be remembered for being polarizing films, while about 75% of the MCU will be forgotten. These movies are essentially just filler until we get to the big Avengers spectacle. They always do just enough to be watchable.

How many MCU movies can you actually say are great films? This whole universe building thing is really killing the quality of movies these days. It's just a gimmick that's not enhancing these films in anyway.

Homecoming didn't really have anything to say, it didn't really do anything different, it's all be done before and a lot better in my opinion.




I don't think this Spidey film was great at all, but yea, it was far better than Wonder Woman.

I do agree these films are too much universe building to the next "event" and not enough real substance to make the film stand alone great. Why IM is the best one because who knew there would be a slew after it??

 

[ZaCHw117]

finally saw this tonight!

liked it a lot, keaton was fun. Holland killed it has Peter, the spider-man sequences were great!

Some good laughs too. The suit at the end is really great, love the design.

 

[Khev]

Glad you liked it ZaCH. What'd you think of the Keaton reveal and car scene outside the dance?

 

[ZaCHw117]

I liked it, it snuck up on me which was a nice change of pace compared to what we usually get.

acting in that scene was great!

 

[Khev]

Right on and agreed.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

I liked it, it snuck up on me which was a nice change of pace compared to what we usually get.

acting in that scene was great!

I agree with you, Zach, glad you liked it!

 

[ZaCHw117]

My overall score would be around an 8.5/10

+'s
- The villain, we got a great villain. (and some surprise ones too!)
- Peter, he looked and acted like a high school kid, something none of the other spideys could pull off.
- Perfect amount of Tony Stark, he's in it less than I expected.
- The action sequences were fantastic, and Spidey's cgi looked great. I also love both suits (for the most part)
- The humor was great
- The twist

-'s
- A little long, could have been cleaned up a bit more in post.
- Khev recommended the 3D, so I pulled the trigger, didn't notice much of a difference.
- The after credits stinger (I know it was tongue and cheek, but it didn't work for me)
- The timeline was a little confusing at first, as to where it takes place. (I got a hang of it after I saw the new Avengers holdout.)

Overall one of my favorite to come out of the mcu. The more I think about how fun it was, the better of a score I want to give it.

 

[Khev]

Pretty good breakdown ZaCH. Right now I have the action scenes as a bit of a strike against the film, visually they looked great but weren't as intense as I would have liked. Especially contrasted with Holland's dramatic scenes. He really turned on the emotion when trapped under the roof and pleading with Toomes to drop the bombs but I felt that the action never quite met that level of drama.

And for me the 3D was a definite plus because of the vertigo inducing climbing scenes.

With regard to the timeline did you not catch that after Cap's first PSA the gym teacher said "I'm pretty sure he's a war criminal now but I have to show you this anyway?" Also Peter's video diary at the beginning showed how the film partially overlapped with the CW airport battle.