Marvel Studios/Sony - SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

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Ah come on man, just some fun digs no need to get upset. That was my last one, unless someone else throws me another alley oop.

He doesn't DOFP? I like it a lot, even if it has a bunch of plotholes.

 

[pturtle]

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He doesn't DOFP? I like it a lot, even if it has a bunch of plotholes.

Well because I have no friends, I’m going to start an argument with you now

Biggest plot hole I can think of is future Wolverine’s hair changing every edit

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

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Well because I have no friends, I’m going to start an argument with you now

Biggest plot hole I can think of is future Wolverine’s hair changing every edit

I don't think you want me to talk about the plotholes. If I do, I'll ruined the film forever...seriously

 

[pturtle]

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I don't think you want me to talk about the plotholes. If I do, I'll ruined the film forever...seriously

Believe me I don’t think the film is perfect, go ahead though, I’m actually interested

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

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Ok, here I go.

I'll begin with the most obvious one. Why do they send Wolverine back in time to the 70's in the most chaotic time possible? Xavier is a junkie, Magneto is in prison (not to mention he's Xavier's "enemy"), and Mystique is on her own god knows where and she's now "crazy" or something. They are in the future and can choose pretty much any time to send him back, so why not a few years back when they were all still together and on good terms? If Kitty can use her new powers (that's another one) to send wolverine so far back in time, why can't she send him to a more peaceful time, which would make it easier on them both. Just a few years earlier would have been less complicated.

Why not go back in time to simply ask Xavier to mind-rape Bolivar Trask into liking mutants and destroying his sentinels in secret instead of just stopping Mystique from killing him? Doesn’t look like a full long-term solution. If Wolverine could convince Xavier to stop using his drugs, they wouldn’t even need Quicksilver to free Magneto from the Pentagon.

Also, Wolverine is sent back to the 70's to form a team with Xavier and Magneto to stop Mystique from killing Trask? Why is that again? Both Magneto and Xavier are completely pointless in the original task of stopping her at the Peace treaty meeting in Paris. Wolverine could just have waited for her in Paris and the outcome would have been the same. He already knew where she was going to be. Magneto and Xavier were not needed, if anything they complicated things.

Then there's the pentagon sequence. Why was Charles Xavier there? He had no powers and doesn't contribute in any way since he's just some skinny normal guy. Quicksilver frees Magneto, Hank disrupts the cameras, and Wolverine is the tough guy in case of a fight or something, so why did Xavier show-up? No reason for him to be there.

Then, there's the time lord, Quicksilver, he experiences time faster than everyone else , which is why he can play around with the guards while the bullets take almost a minute to reach their targets. The whole conflict of the movie would have been resolved if Wolverine or Xavier simply brought him with them after he helped freed Magneto. Their plan was to catch Mystique... but if only they had a time-God with them that could catch Mystique in less than a second and take her out of the building without anyone noticing. In fact, why even rescue Magneto to begin with? Wolverine has a secret weapon, the boy in grey Also, while Quicksilver is running he's listening to "time in a bottle’" on his 1970's Walkman while he beats the guards in the Pentagon kitchen even though the whole sequence lasts 0.005 second in real-time. Quicksilver might be godly fast, but his 1970s Walkman, not so much.

Before or after the pentagon scene we see Mystique rescue some mutants. Well, that's nice of her, but her plan sucks, since Mystique didn't incapacitate or kill William Stryker who left the tent and identified the plane that the mutants took to escape. He has legal authority and could just reorder the plane to land and they would be *****. So Mystique’s introduction was pointless . Also, if Mystique can change her body mass to adapt to any form like a T 1000 , why doesn't she always fight as a 7-foot-tall bodybuilder UFC fighter filled with steroids every time she's in a fight?

Then in Paris...or wherever that was, Trask uses his Ghostbuster mutant detector to find Mystique hiding as a Vietnamese general and then he ORDERS the soldiers to arrest her. Nice going! One problem, Trask has no authority...ZERO, he is not the government, he is not on American soil and more importantly, he is not even dealing with American citizens.

Is it common for midget tourists randomly asking for someone’s arrest based on their Toys-R-Us gadgets that no one has seen before? Yeah, Mystique’s cover would eventually get blown, but it’s stupid to see the guards and the Vietnamese generals completely agree with Trask the second his plastic toy tells them one of their comrade is a mutant ...something by the way, most of them never heard of before. Mutant? What's that? Is this little foreign American guy calling us mutants?

Eventually, Xavier decides to become useful and a productive member of the team, instead of a sad junkie, so he regains his psychic abilities and he finds Mystique at an airport and at first tries reasoning with her, but when that fails he uses his not so secret weapon, mind rape....yeah! That **** never fails! Oh, but he says he can’t do it because Mystique doesn’t want to. Really? If mind rape is only possible when your victim wants it, it wouldn't be a very good mutant power. In this film franchisee , EVERYONE is defenseless against Xavier’s mind control, except for Magneto because he uses a ******* specially designed helmet. The only way someone could stop the mind rape, is if he or she also has those psychic powers, like Jean...that's it. Maybe a jedi, but even they wouldn't stand a chance against Xavier.

Later on, Magneto develops new powers Not only can he manipulate metal, he can also separate it to the microscopic level and implement it to giant robots he never saw, in the dark, in 8 different train cars at the same time, in order to hijack their electrical components he never saw, which puts him very close to omniscience. Hard to believe he got shot in the neck the next day And why didn’t Magneto simply use his robots to kill everyone at the White House in front of the world to establish that using robots is not a good idea, completely shut-down the Mutant fear and never exposing himself? He could just be seating there in the crowd wearing a cool hat, controlling the robots. Flying with a baseball stadium looks awesome , but a lot less logical and a lot more dangerous for him....he could get shot in the neck by a METAL bullet

On a side note, why didn't the government buy Trask's 15 foot plastic robots? Even if they didn't care about the mutants, they are still in the middle of the cold war. I'm sure they could find some use for them. They are giant PLASTIC robots in the 1970's!!! It would be a miracle of engineering to make such a thing today out of metal There's no way the US government wouldn't be interested in them.

Then the final scene of the movie where Wolverine wakes-up to find all his buddies alive and teaching at the school. Great moment, but it doesn't make sense for Wolverine to wake-up in the future and not remember anything since he last drowned at the end of the movie. Here's why, his future consciousness was sent in his younger self to change the past and he succeeded.

This means the Terminator future never happened and we get to see the nice future where everyone is alive and well. But young Wolverine who was "taken over’’ by Older Wolverine would have awaken from his incident in the 1970s without remembering anything from his past week, BUT from then on, he would continue his life and the older Wolverine simply stopped to exist. It makes no sense for younger Wolverine to get a little older, become a teacher at Xavier’s school, and one day, have his consciousness destroyed and replaced by Older Wolverine’s consciousness that was dormant somewhere. Older Wolverine stopped to exist the moment the past changed.

I didn't include any inconsistencies that involve the older films, because that wouldn't be fair to this film and there are too many anyway.

 

[GasparZizou]

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I'll ruined the film forever...

I see what you did there.....












Time travel!!!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

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I see what you did there.....












Time travel!!!

Pretty much

 

[pturtle]

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I'll begin with the most obvious one. Why do they send Wolverine back in time to the 70's in the most chaotic time possible? Xavier is a junkie, Magneto is in prison (not to mention he's Xavier's "enemy"), and Mystique is on her own god knows where and she's now "crazy" or something. They are in the future and can choose pretty much any time to send him back, why not a few years back when they were all still together and on good terms? If Kitty can use her new powers (that's another one) to send wolverine back so far back in time, why can't she send him to a more peaceful time, which would make it easier on them both. Just a few years earlier would have been less complicated.

They send Wolverine back to the 70s, specifically at that time because they didn’t have much time to change things. It had to happen fast, as you can see by the end of the film if he would have been sent back a month early or even 5 minutes earlier then when his mind got there, everyone in the future would have been killed.

Why not go back in time to simply ask Xavier to mind-rape Bolivar Trask into liking mutants and destroying his sentinels in secret instead of just stopping Mystique from killing him? Doesn’t look like a full long-term solution. If Wolverine could convince Xavier to stop using his drugs, they wouldn’t even need Quicksilver to free Magneto from the Pentagon.

Well Xavier didn’t have his powers at the time, and even if Wolverine did convince him to go along with that plan, Raven still would have tried to assassinate him for all the mutants that he tortured, killed, and experimented which would probably have lead to dark future regardless.

Also, Wolverine is sent back to the 70's to form a team with Xavier and Magneto to stop Mystique from killing Trask? Why is that again? Both Magneto and Xavier are completely pointless in the original task of stopping her at the Peace treaty meeting in Paris. Wolverine could just have waited for her in Paris and the outcome would have been the same. He already knew where she was going to be. Magneto and Xavier were not needed, if anything they complicated things.

Well, Magneto is really the only one that complicated things, and how would Wolverine know who Raven was impersonating? He would literally have to be there at the same exact moment they arrived since Raven was disguised the whole time. Erik and Charles were brought there since they were both her mentor, the thought they probably could talk her out of it, but Magneto obviously had different plans that Beast ended up preventing.

Then there's the pentagon sequence. Why was Charles Xavier there? He had no powers and doesn't contribute to the escape plan in any way? Quicksilver frees Magneto, Hank disrupts the cameras, and Wolverine is the tough guy in case of a fight or something, so why did Xavier show-up? No reason for him to be there.

To get Erik on board with their plan. Erik trusts him, and was even willing to not kill anyone in the kitchen because Charles asked, until he felt he had no other choice.

Then, there's the time lord, Quicksilver, he experiences time faster than everyone else , which is why he can play around around guards while bullets takes almost a minute to reach their targets. The whole conflict of the movie would have been resolved if Wolverine or Xavier simply brought him with them after he helped freed Magneto. Their plan was to catch Mystique... but if only they had a time-God with them that could catch Mystique in less than a second and take her out of the building without anyone noticing. In fact, why even rescue Magneto to begin with? Wolverine has a secret weapon, the boy in grey Also, while Quicksilver is running he's listening to "time in a bottle’" on his 1970's Walkman while he beats the guards in the Pentagon kitchen even though the whole sequence lasts 0.005 second in real-time. Quicksilver might godly fast, but his 1970s Walkman not so much.

How would they prevent Raven from eventually killing Trask? Only way I see is to kill Raven herself, she was hellbent on Killing him, which is probably something they wouldn’t do.

The end of the film shows they needed to convince her to not kill Trask, otherwise she would have eventually killed him which would have likely lead to the future Sentinels being produced. Wolverine needed to convince Charles to stop taking his “treatment”, that was the only way they could have stopped Raven from killing Trask.

You got me on the “Time in a Bottle” song playing in real time while QS is running super fast. Never noticed that, and its pretty damn funny now that I think about it. But maybe since everything is slow to him, he made his own custom songs played super fast or something, thats all I can really think of

Before or after the pentagon scene we see Mystique rescue some mutants. Well, that's nice of her, but her plan sucks, since Mystique didn't incapacitate or kill William Stryker who left the tent and identified the plane that the mutants took to escape. He has legal authority and could just reorder the plane to land and they would be screwed. So Mystique’s introduction was pointless . Also, if Mystique can change her body mass to adapt to any form like a T 1000 , why doesn’t she always fight as a 7-foot-tall bodybuilder UFC fighter filled with steroids every time she’s in a fight?

I think there was no chance of stopping that plane, if Styker made the call, the mutants obviously wouldn’t just let that plane go down and go walking back to Stryker now that they know what the testing was for.

Not sure about your second question though

Then in Paris...or wherever that was, Trask uses his Ghostbuster mutant detector to find Mystique hiding as a Vietnamese general and then he ORDERS the soldiers to arrest her. Nice going! One problem, Trask has no authority...ZERO, he is not the government, he is not on American soil and more importantly, he is not even dealing with American citizens.

Don’t remember much about this scene, have to rewatch it but you’re probably right.

Is it common for midget tourists randomly asking for someone’s arrest based on their Toys-R-Us gadgets that no one has seen before? Yeah, Mystique’s cover would eventually get blown because apparently she speaks every languages with an American accent, but it’s stupid to see the guards and the Vietnamese generals completely agree with Trask the second his plastic toy tells them one of their comrade is a mutant ...something by the way, most of them never heard of before. Mutant? What's that? Is this little foreign American guy calling us mutants?

Eventually, Xavier decides to become useful and a productive member of the team instead of a junkie, so he regains his psychic abilities and he finds Mystique at an airport and at first tries reasoning with her, but when that fails he uses his not so secret weapon, mind rape....yeah! That **** never fails! Oh, but he says he can’t do it because Mystique doesn’t want to. Really? If mind rape is only possible when your victim wants it, it wouldn't be a very good mutant power. In this film franchisee , EVERYONE is defenseless against Xavier’s mind control, except for Magneto because he uses a ******* specially designed helmet. The only way someone could stop the mind rape, is if he or she also has those psychic powers, like Jean...that's it. Maybe a jedi, but even they wouldn't stand a chance against Xavier.

I don’t think he could mind rape her because supposedly he was extremely weak and didn’t have much grasp on his own powers, like when he was trying to use cerebro. Obviously that was conveniently written in but it was the best explanation to give, otherwise this would have been the shortest movie of all time

Later on, Magneto develops new powers Not only can he manipulate metal, he can also separate it to the microscopic level and implement it to giant robots he never saw, in the dark, in 8 different train cars at the same time, in order to hijack their electrical components he never saw, which puts him very close to omniscience. Hard to believe he got shot in the neck the next day And why didn’t Magneto simply use his robots to kill everyone at the White House in front of the world to establish that using robots is not a good idea, completely shut-down the Mutant fear and never exposing himself? He could just be seating there in the crowd wearing a cool hat, controlling the robots. Flying with a baseball stadium looks awesome , but a lot less logical and a lot more dangerous for him....he could get shot in the neck by a METAL bullet

I remember Gasper bringing this up. Magneto wasn’t interested in saving everyone in the future, he was only interested in Mutant superiority, so he decided to use the sentinel to do his bidding. His plan was fine until those damn “X-Men” got in the way of everything. He wanted the world to know that Mutants existed, and he also wanted to let Mutants know they weren’t alone, which is why he will be leading the Brotherhood in X-Men Apocalypse.

To the first part of that question, I have no clue, I’m not a mutant, you probably have to use suspension of disbelief in that scene, but he was at Trasks factory, didn’t have the blueprints in his hand that showed all the info on the production of the Sentinels? I think thats how he kind of knew what to do, and since he can manipulate metal, he probably could just feel where everything was and knew exactly where to put it.

On a side note, why didn't the government buy Trask's 15 foot plastic robots? Even if they didn't care about the mutants, they are still in the middle of the cold war. I'm sure they could find some use for them. They are giant PLASTIC robots in the 1970's!!! It would be a miracle of engineering to make such a thing today out of metal There's no way the US government wouldn't be interested in them.

You’re definitely right about this

Then the final scene of the movie where Wolverine wakes-up to find all his buddies alive and teaching at the school. Great moment, but it doesn't make sense for Wolverine to wake-up in the future and not remember anything since he last drowned at the end of the movie. Here's why, his future consciousness was sent in his younger self to change the past and he succeeded.

This means the Terminator future never happened and we get to see the nice future where everyone is alive and well. But young Wolverine who was "taken over’’ by Older Wolverine would have awaken from his incident in the 1970s without remembering anything from his past week BUT from then on, he would continue his life and the older Wolverine simply stopped to exist. It makes no sense for younger Wolverine to get a little older, become a teacher at Xavier’s school, and one day, have his consciousness destroyed and replaced by Older Wolverine’s consciousness that was dormant somewhere. Older Wolverine stopped to exist the moment the past changed.

Yea this I was a little iffy about too, I think your explanation would have made more sense, but I can’t really explain logic when it comes to Kitty’s made up powers

It looks like the total opposite happened, and some sort of time dilation ended up happening, I’m not really sure.

I didn’t include any inconsistencies that involve the older films, because that wouldn’t be fair to this film and there are too many anyway.

I did my best to answer everything, but yea I think for a movie like this, there were bound to be plot holes, every movies has them and usually time travel movies have the most

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

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They send Wolverine back to the 70s, specifically at that time because they didn’t have much time to change things. It had to happen fast, as you can see by the end of the film if he would have been sent back a month early or even 5 minutes earlier then when his mind got there, everyone in the future would have been killed.

Why wait at the last second to send Wolverine back in time to alter the past if Kitty pulled that time-travelling power out of her ass more than a week ago? It’s not like the demi-god Xavier doesn't have the mental capacity to find her.


Well, Magneto is really the only one that complicated things, and how would Wolverine know who Raven was impersonating? He would literally have to be there at the same exact moment they arrived since Raven was disguised the whole time. Erik and Charles were brought there since they were both her mentor, the thought they probably could talk her out of it, but Magneto obviously had different plans that Beast ended up preventing.

Once Wolverine got you (quick silver) and had Xavier on his side, there was no need to take magneto with them. Raven looked like someone else, true... but wolverine can smell her, it's one of his powers and he already knows her.


To get Erik on board with their plan. Erik trusts him, and was even willing to not kill anyone in the kitchen because Charles asked, until he felt he had no other choice.

But again, Magneto was not necessary to stop Raven.


How would they prevent Raven from eventually killing Trask? Only way I see is to kill Raven herself, she was hellbent on Killing him, which is probably something they wouldn’t do.

The end of the film shows they needed to convince her to not kill Trask, otherwise she would have eventually killed him which would have likely lead to the future Sentinels being produced. Wolverine needed to convince Charles to stop taking his “treatment”, that was the only way they could have stopped Raven from killing Trask.

Once Quicksilver gets her out of there, Wolverine can convince Charles to wipe her memory, which is something he can do, and he did to Jean, and the CIA lady from First Class. He will do it, because killing her Is not an option. Also, what better reason to stop the drugs than getting his powers to save her life?


You got me on the “Time in a Bottle” song playing in real time while QS is running super fast. Never noticed that, and its pretty damn funny now that I think about it. But maybe since everything is slow to him, he made his own custom songs played super fast or something, thats all I can really think of

Not bad

I think there was no chance of stopping that plane, if Styker made the call, the mutants obviously wouldn’t just let that plane go down and go walking back to Stryker now that they know what the testing was for.

Not sure about your second question though

The plane doesn't need to go back. The plane "escape" and land where's supposed to and the military can be waiting for them already, surprise!!!

I remember Gasper bringing this up. Magneto wasn’t interested in saving everyone in the future, he was only interested in Mutant superiority, so he decided to use the sentinel to do his bidding. His plan was fine until those damn “X-Men” got in the way of everything. He wanted the world to know that Mutants existed, and he also wanted to let Mutants know they weren’t alone, which is why he will be leading the Brotherhood in X-Men Apocalypse.

Another reason why they didn't need to get him out of jail...

To the first part of that question, I have no clue, I’m not a mutant, you probably have to use suspension of disbelief in that scene, but he was at Trasks factory, didn’t have the blueprints in his hand that showed all the info on the production of the Sentinels? I think thats how he kind of knew what to do, and since he can manipulate metal, he probably could just feel where everything was and knew exactly where to put it.

But he couldn't feel one bullet from a common gun at the end?


I did my best to answer everything, but yea I think for a movie like this, there were bound to be plot holes, every movies has them and usually time travel movies have the most [/QUOTE]

Good job Yeah, they all have them

 

[pturtle]

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Ha, yea you're totally right about the gun shot to neck, he totally should have felt that coming.

I guess I'll have to agree to disagree with you about the Magneto thing, I think since he had such a strong hold on her it would make sense to bring him along and talk her out of going through with an assassination that leads to the extinction of human and mutants, but I guess I can also see your point, it's too risky knowing who he is and just have Charles mind raping her ass is more efficient and a lot quicker.

I think they did a pretty good job though, things could have gotten really messy but Singer/Vaughn tried to make the story as simple as possible for the audience.

 

[Anzik]

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Lets see... you had Wolverine, trained assassin. Lets send him back in time on a mutant diplomatic mission or go back five years earlier, find the genius midget, kill him discreetly and save the world from an apocalypse.

How it should have ended could go on and on with DOFP

 

[ironwez20]

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Looks like this is a dofp thread now lol

 

[DFanatic]

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Looks like this is a dofp thread now lol

 

[karamazov80]

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[Darth Snoopy]

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[CallMeTheDoctor]

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[DFanatic]

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[karamazov80]

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I hope the next Spider-Man movie is better than any other superhero movie prior to it. Spider-Man is such the ****ing man.

 

[Khev]

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Ok, here I go.

I'll begin with the most obvious one. Why do they send Wolverine back in time to the 70's in the most chaotic time possible? Xavier is a junkie, Magneto is in prison (not to mention he's Xavier's "enemy"), and Mystique is on her own god knows where and she's now "crazy" or something. They are in the future and can choose pretty much any time to send him back, so why not a few years back when they were all still together and on good terms? If Kitty can use her new powers (that's another one) to send wolverine so far back in time, why can't she send him to a more peaceful time, which would make it easier on them both. Just a few years earlier would have been less complicated.

Why not go back in time to simply ask Xavier to mind-rape Bolivar Trask into liking mutants and destroying his sentinels in secret instead of just stopping Mystique from killing him? Doesn’t look like a full long-term solution. If Wolverine could convince Xavier to stop using his drugs, they wouldn’t even need Quicksilver to free Magneto from the Pentagon.

Also, Wolverine is sent back to the 70's to form a team with Xavier and Magneto to stop Mystique from killing Trask? Why is that again? Both Magneto and Xavier are completely pointless in the original task of stopping her at the Peace treaty meeting in Paris. Wolverine could just have waited for her in Paris and the outcome would have been the same. He already knew where she was going to be. Magneto and Xavier were not needed, if anything they complicated things.

Then there's the pentagon sequence. Why was Charles Xavier there? He had no powers and doesn't contribute in any way since he's just some skinny normal guy. Quicksilver frees Magneto, Hank disrupts the cameras, and Wolverine is the tough guy in case of a fight or something, so why did Xavier show-up? No reason for him to be there.

Then, there's the time lord, Quicksilver, he experiences time faster than everyone else , which is why he can play around with the guards while the bullets take almost a minute to reach their targets. The whole conflict of the movie would have been resolved if Wolverine or Xavier simply brought him with them after he helped freed Magneto. Their plan was to catch Mystique... but if only they had a time-God with them that could catch Mystique in less than a second and take her out of the building without anyone noticing. In fact, why even rescue Magneto to begin with? Wolverine has a secret weapon, the boy in grey Also, while Quicksilver is running he's listening to "time in a bottle’" on his 1970's Walkman while he beats the guards in the Pentagon kitchen even though the whole sequence lasts 0.005 second in real-time. Quicksilver might be godly fast, but his 1970s Walkman, not so much.

Before or after the pentagon scene we see Mystique rescue some mutants. Well, that's nice of her, but her plan sucks, since Mystique didn't incapacitate or kill William Stryker who left the tent and identified the plane that the mutants took to escape. He has legal authority and could just reorder the plane to land and they would be *****. So Mystique’s introduction was pointless . Also, if Mystique can change her body mass to adapt to any form like a T 1000 , why doesn't she always fight as a 7-foot-tall bodybuilder UFC fighter filled with steroids every time she's in a fight?

Then in Paris...or wherever that was, Trask uses his Ghostbuster mutant detector to find Mystique hiding as a Vietnamese general and then he ORDERS the soldiers to arrest her. Nice going! One problem, Trask has no authority...ZERO, he is not the government, he is not on American soil and more importantly, he is not even dealing with American citizens.

Is it common for midget tourists randomly asking for someone’s arrest based on their Toys-R-Us gadgets that no one has seen before? Yeah, Mystique’s cover would eventually get blown, but it’s stupid to see the guards and the Vietnamese generals completely agree with Trask the second his plastic toy tells them one of their comrade is a mutant ...something by the way, most of them never heard of before. Mutant? What's that? Is this little foreign American guy calling us mutants?

Eventually, Xavier decides to become useful and a productive member of the team, instead of a sad junkie, so he regains his psychic abilities and he finds Mystique at an airport and at first tries reasoning with her, but when that fails he uses his not so secret weapon, mind rape....yeah! That **** never fails! Oh, but he says he can’t do it because Mystique doesn’t want to. Really? If mind rape is only possible when your victim wants it, it wouldn't be a very good mutant power. In this film franchisee , EVERYONE is defenseless against Xavier’s mind control, except for Magneto because he uses a ******* specially designed helmet. The only way someone could stop the mind rape, is if he or she also has those psychic powers, like Jean...that's it. Maybe a jedi, but even they wouldn't stand a chance against Xavier.

Later on, Magneto develops new powers Not only can he manipulate metal, he can also separate it to the microscopic level and implement it to giant robots he never saw, in the dark, in 8 different train cars at the same time, in order to hijack their electrical components he never saw, which puts him very close to omniscience. Hard to believe he got shot in the neck the next day And why didn’t Magneto simply use his robots to kill everyone at the White House in front of the world to establish that using robots is not a good idea, completely shut-down the Mutant fear and never exposing himself? He could just be seating there in the crowd wearing a cool hat, controlling the robots. Flying with a baseball stadium looks awesome , but a lot less logical and a lot more dangerous for him....he could get shot in the neck by a METAL bullet

On a side note, why didn't the government buy Trask's 15 foot plastic robots? Even if they didn't care about the mutants, they are still in the middle of the cold war. I'm sure they could find some use for them. They are giant PLASTIC robots in the 1970's!!! It would be a miracle of engineering to make such a thing today out of metal There's no way the US government wouldn't be interested in them.

Then the final scene of the movie where Wolverine wakes-up to find all his buddies alive and teaching at the school. Great moment, but it doesn't make sense for Wolverine to wake-up in the future and not remember anything since he last drowned at the end of the movie. Here's why, his future consciousness was sent in his younger self to change the past and he succeeded.

This means the Terminator future never happened and we get to see the nice future where everyone is alive and well. But young Wolverine who was "taken over’’ by Older Wolverine would have awaken from his incident in the 1970s without remembering anything from his past week, BUT from then on, he would continue his life and the older Wolverine simply stopped to exist. It makes no sense for younger Wolverine to get a little older, become a teacher at Xavier’s school, and one day, have his consciousness destroyed and replaced by Older Wolverine’s consciousness that was dormant somewhere. Older Wolverine stopped to exist the moment the past changed.

I didn't include any inconsistencies that involve the older films, because that wouldn't be fair to this film and there are too many anyway.

Very entertaining list, and I noticed most of those things you mentioned. Except the midget tourist having members of foreign military arrested on his word alone. But hey, if Peter Dinklage instructed me to do something out of the blue I'd probably be inclined to oblige too. Most of your points are just calling out unwise decisions or bad tactics, not plot holes though. You know, "why didn't the Empire just blow up Yavin instead of orbiting it" type stuff. But you're right, lots of "what were they thinking" moments. Rescuing the problematic Magneto instead of just using Quicksilver in Paris is the biggest head scratcher of all. But hey, floating stadium was cool so I give it a pass.

 

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Actually, you could chalk that up to Mags and Prof. X not wanting to rely on an untested juvenile delinquent to be in charge of a situation unless there weren't other available options.