Marvel's The Black Panther

[ironwez20]

Jye did not diss THE dark knight! O HELLLLLLLLLL NAHHHHH

 

[spindrift]

Tou’re very fortunate my parents would say “Turn that **** off!” lol



If I had to choose between TDK and CW well......

Don’t let the door hit your *** on your way out Nolan.

Nolan will twist MCEU into a pretzel and serve it for brunch at Dunkirk

 

[spindrift]

While I agree with this statement since I find BB a stronger film...



...I'll take the dark and moody atmosphere of TDK and even TDKR over CW which has awful pacing much like BvS. Just as we're about to walk out of the theatre something finally happens, but it's too much and we leave thinking it's a bad film.

Granted I'll take A1 over TDKR, AoU and CW are inferior films to all three of Nolan's Batman works IMO.

In terms of MCU vs. Nolan, for me anyway:

A1/BB
Thor 1/TDK
First Avenger
Iron Man
Winter Soldier
Black Panther
GotG1/TDKR

TDK films and Marvel comparison? There is NONE- zero. Nada.
Marvel wishes they could be as good as the credits to these films

 

[ironwez20]

I'm pretty sure some marvel movies beat out TDKR tho lol

 

[spindrift]

I'm pretty sure some marvel movies beat out TDKR tho lol

maybe but i've always defended it since day one so gotta be there to watch it's back

 

[chewblacca]

How are they thrilling when the Avengers never lose at anything? Not even when they fight each other!

I thought part of being a hero was to make sacrifices and endure pain for the greater good, TDK has that in abundance, CW not so much.

Are you talking about the Marvel Civil War movie where Tony Stark, the smart talking know it all saw his parents killed by a man his friend considers an ally. Could you watch someone strangle your mother with their hands and then be comfortable knowing that man who did it was just a few steps away from you, and someone you considered your friend knew about it but never said anything? That's not sacrifice? That's not pain?

 

[Chakor]

TDK films and Marvel comparison? There is NONE- zero. Nada.
Marvel wishes they could be as good as the credits to these films

The Nolan movies will also probably age better than almost all of the MCU, at least from a filmmaking standpoint. Most of Marvel's movies are at least 60% CGI (bad CGI at that).

 

[jye4ever]

How are they thrilling when the Avengers never lose at anything? Not even when they fight each other!

I thought part of being a hero was to make sacrifices and endure pain for the greater good, TDK has that in abundance, CW not so much.

TDK definately had an epic climax.

But seeing Spidey for the first time in cinematic history interacting with other superheroes is just as epic if not more epic than TDK’s unfolding drama because we’ve seen Batman, Gordon and Joker together before.

 

[Ce Ilhuicamina]

Are you talking about the Marvel Civil War movie where Tony Stark, the smart talking know it all saw his parents killed by a man his friend considers an ally. Could you watch someone strangle your mother with their hands and then be comfortable knowing that man who did it was just a few steps away from you, and someone you considered your friend knew about it but never said anything? That's not sacrifice? That's not pain?

If it has that then more power to it, but it counts more as pain/origin story than true sacrifice to be honest and that's just from ONE single character amongst a plethora of Avengers, I don't think the red sorceress chick even remembers her deceased brother's name.

As mentioned before I actually fell asleep watching, I just vaguely remember the ending where X told Y that they weren't BFF anymore and future barbecues were a no go...but that he was free to call him if he needed any help.

BEST. WAR. EVER.

 

[chewblacca]

Yeah and Bats gave up everything because his girlfriend died. He's really the hero we don't deserve. I thought the whole point of putting on the costume was to make sure no one has to go through what he did when his parents died? But I guess he can dish out the butt whooping but can't take it. And he said criminals were a cowardly lot.

 

[YoNoSe]

Tony’s whole point in CW is sacrificing autonomy for the greater good. Cap’s team accepts that they are going to have to lose the airport fight for the greater good.

Batman is going to sacrifice his freedom by surrendering but then he doesn’t. Then he’s going to continue being Batman as a hunted vigilante but instead he retires and shoots arrows at his *** bed in his second mansion.

Hawkeye > Nolan Batman.

 

[Ce Ilhuicamina]

Because Dent beat him to the punch, had he turned himself later in it would make the lie he and Gordon crafted in order to bring peace to Gotham completly meaningless.

Also retiring was truly a sacrifice for Batman, since the vigilante is his true self, Bruce Wayne being his actual alter ego.

The thing is that as much as you like Marvel films one key thing they lack are consequences, the threats always sound super scary but end up being utterly meaningless, for example the amount of fake deaths amongst the good guys are staggering, if you are not committed in giving your characters a real sense of loss and complexity, why even bother?

Anyways, to avoid sounding hyper negative, I'll leave my top 5 Marvel films, 1 and 2 being movies that I really, really like:

1. GOTG
2. GOTG 2
3. Iron Man
4. The Avengers
5. The Incredible Hulk

 

[YoNoSe]

Batman wanted to retire almost immediately in the Nolan trilogy.

The Marvel characters experience loss. It doesn’t have to be character deaths.

Nolan’s trilogy fake kills Rahs, fake kills Gordon, fake kills Batman. That’s a lot of fake for 3 movies. Aside from the prerequisite parents, the only “good” characters who die are Rachel, who does nothing but reject Bruce for 2 movies, and Matthew Modine, who is an a-hole for 90% of his screentime.

Ant Man is just as complex as Nolan Batman in one okay movie and a cameo. But minus all the exaggerated hand wringing.

You have to fear death to earn the super jump power and make the same punches hurt Bane more in the second fight.

Dat Nolan.

 

[Khev]

Aside from the prerequisite parents, the only “good” characters who die are Rachel, who does nothing but reject Bruce for 2 movies,

Yeah Rachel wasn't really a valid loss but Peggy certainly was (twice!)

 

[YoNoSe]

Yeah Rachel wasn't really a valid loss but Peggy certainly was (twice!)

There’s more pathos in Steve reuniting with Peggy and Peggy’s funeral than....ah, forget it. You can’t fight the rabble.

 

[Khev]

....ah, forget it. You can’t fight the rabble.

Lol...

 

[Ce Ilhuicamina]

Batman wanted to retire almost immediately in the Nolan trilogy.

The Marvel characters experience loss. It doesn’t have to be character deaths.

Nolan’s trilogy fake kills Rahs, fake kills Gordon, fake kills Batman. That’s a lot of fake for 3 movies. Aside from the prerequisite parents, the only “good” characters who die are Rachel, who does nothing but reject Bruce for 2 movies, and Matthew Modine, who is an a-hole for 90% of his screentime.

Ant Man is just as complex as Nolan Batman in one okay movie and a cameo. But minus all the exaggerated hand wringing.

You have to fear death to earn the super jump power and make the same punches hurt Bane more in the second fight.

Dat Nolan.

Rahs doesn't count if he truly dies during the same movie.

Marvel's fake deaths include Loki, Potts, Coulson and Nick Fury and they were far from graceful in execution unlike Gordon who still had a reason to live for. One could argue most these characters with the exception of Loki are pretty much useless after their "resurrections".

This is why I was gratefully suprised with GOTG 2: The one Marvel film with the more "In your face humor" dared to kill a very cool character, one that left friends and comrades behind. Now that's loss and it adds character development to Star-Lord and hell, even Rocket!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

If Thanos kills a few characters and they stay dead, that would make him a unique villain. Most great villains rarely kill any meaningful characters. Even the great Batman movie villains didn't kill a main character, let alone a character as big as Iron Man, Loki, or CA...assuming Thanos kills some of those characters.

 

[YoNoSe]

Rahs doesn't count if he truly dies during the same movie.

Marvel's fake deaths include Loki, Potts, Coulson and Nick Fury and they were far from graceful in execution unlike Gordon who still had a reason to live for. One could argue most these characters with the exception of Loki are pretty much useless after their "resurrections".

This is why I was gratefully suprised with GOTG 2: The one Marvel film with the more "In your face humor" dared to kill a very cool character, one that left friends and comrades behind. Now that's loss and it adds character development to Star-Lord and hell, even Rocket!

Gordon’s fake death was the worst of all. Joker showed no inclination toward familial retribution. It was strictly a joke played on the audience. Almost as silly as the “orphan eyes” non-explanation of how Blake knew BW was Batman.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Gordon’s fake death was the worst of all. Joker showed no inclination toward familial retribution. It was strictly a joke played on the audience.

Didn't Joker leave Gordon's punishment for Two-Face? Wasn't that his non-plan plan?