Marvel's The Black Panther

[YoNoSe]

If Thanos kills a few characters and they stay dead, that would make him a unique villain. Most great villains rarely kill any meaningful characters. Even the great Batman movie villains didn't kill a main character, let alone a character as big as Iron Man, Loki, or CA...assuming Thanos kills some of those characters.

It would make him unique but I still fail to see why this responsibility is placed on the MCU. The source material is notorious for fake out death and I can’t think of an ongoing movie series that is notable for sticking the landing on major character deaths.

Modern ongoing TV dramas are the only platform I can think of with permanent death on the table. And even GoT wiggles around that one.

 

[YoNoSe]

Didn't Joker leave Gordon's punishment for Two-Face? Wasn't that his non-plan plan?

Hmmm... well his fakeout death was what I was thinking of but Joker did, after the reveal, set Two Face on all parties involved. But that’s also a bit wonky how TF went for straight murder for everyone and then an elaborate stage play for Gordon/Batman the guys who tried to save him and his turtle.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I can’t think of an ongoing movie series that is notable for sticking the landing on major character deaths.

Modern ongoing TV dramas are the only platform I can think of with permanent death on the table. And even GoT wiggles around that one.

Good god, man, in the 70's and 80's so many hero's best sidekick and most trusted confidant were always killed so that Dirty Harry or Rambo or James Bond can grit their teeth and get mad and vengeful.

 

[Ce Ilhuicamina]

Gordon’s fake death was the worst of all. Joker showed no inclination toward familial retribution. It was strictly a joke played on the audience. Almost as silly as the “orphan eyes” non-explanation of how Blake knew BW was Batman.

Nah, we the audience knew but Gordon felt it was better be safe than sorry.

As of Blake, I'll give you that one: awful character played by a very overrated performer and given the weakest material in the lesser movie of the whole damn trilogy. Just horrible.

 

[YoNoSe]

Good god, man, in the 70's and 80's so many hero's best sidekick and most trusted confidant were always killed so that Dirty Harry or Rambo or James Bond can grit their teeth and get mad and vengeful.

I didn’t say “modern” did I?

I do enjoy Andy Garcia’s beheading in Black Rain.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I miss a good sidekick's death. That Black Rain one was good.

 

[YoNoSe]

The only thing missing from First Blood. He should have had a dog.

 

[YoNoSe]

Nah, we the audience knew but Gordon felt it was better be safe than sorry.

As of Blake, I'll give you that one: awful character played by a very overrated performer and given the weakest material in the lesser movie of the whole damn trilogy. Just horrible.

At least we found some common ground!

 

[Wor-Gar]

The only thing missing from First Blood. He should have had a dog.

They gave him the green-eyed girl in the 2nd one.

 

[jye4ever]

Batman wanted to retire almost immediately in the Nolan trilogy.

The Marvel characters experience loss. It doesn’t have to be character deaths.

Nolan’s trilogy fake kills Rahs, fake kills Gordon, fake kills Batman. That’s a lot of fake for 3 movies. Aside from the prerequisite parents, the only “good” characters who die are Rachel, who does nothing but reject Bruce for 2 movies, and Matthew Modine, who is an a-hole for 90% of his screentime.

Ant Man is just as complex as Nolan Batman in one okay movie and a cameo. But minus all the exaggerated hand wringing.

You have to fear death to earn the super jump power and make the same punches hurt Bane more in the second fight.

Dat Nolan.

Oh man lol

There’s more pathos in Steve reuniting with Peggy and Peggy’s funeral than....ah, forget it. You can’t fight the rabble.

rabble rabble

oops I meant

roger roger

If Thanos kills a few characters and they stay dead, that would make him a unique villain. Most great villains rarely kill any meaningful characters. Even the great Batman movie villains didn't kill a main character, let alone a character as big as Iron Man, Loki, or CA...assuming Thanos kills some of those characters.

Supposedly Cap gets a splinter

It would make him unique but I still fail to see why this responsibility is placed on the MCU. The source material is notorious for fake out death and I can’t think of an ongoing movie series that is notable for sticking the landing on major character deaths.

Modern ongoing TV dramas are the only platform I can think of with permanent death on the table. And even GoT wiggles around that one.

Remember when they killed Fonzi lol

The only thing missing from First Blood. He should have had a dog.

I think he had one in Cobra lol

 

[YoNoSe]

I must confess my Stallone game is weak. I don’t think I’ve seen any Rambo sequels or Cobra.

I did see all the Rockys up until Creedmonger.

 

[Chakor]

...roger roger...

 

[filip629]

I'm pretty sure some marvel movies beat out TDKR tho lol

TDKR is so bad, it almost ruins the first 2 movies (and I loved BB &TDK) for me. I can't even believe it was directed by the same man that gave us BB and TDK. TDKR was utter garbage.

 

[Shawpaw]

TDKR is so bad, it almost ruins the first 2 movies (and I loved BB &TDK) for me. I can't even believe it was directed by the same man that gave us BB and TDK. TDKR was utter garbage.

Bruh, it wasn't that bad.

 

[jye4ever]

For me it was and more importantly NOLAN KNOWS IT!

 

[Chakor]

The problem with Rises isn't that it's bad from a filmmaking standpoint; it's still very good in that regard - it's just a mess in terms of structure. The most obvious problem is how the Hell Batman got from that prison on the other side of the planet and back to Gotham without any help. The biggest problem, however, is that it tries to balance themes from both TDK and A Tale of Two Cities but it ultimately doesn't pay off and we end up right back where we started.

Nevertheless I still enjoy it despite its truckload of faults and will take it over any of the sequels to the 89 film and anything in the DCEW.

 

[jye4ever]

Nah, it also fails miserably at the technical filmmaking level as much as the story telling!

Worst stunt punches and kicks in a modern high budget movie!

WORST acted on screen death in a millennium!

Flat and boring vehicle stunts!

Worst hype of large group of extras poorly utilized!

Horrible editing of that cops death!

Bane too short to pick up Batman so they had to do it off screen lol

Blood money for Nolan!

TDK to TDKR still remains the biggest cinematic disappointment for me but JL is doing a damn good job fighting for that title lol

 

[RIDDICK]

Bruh, it wasn't that bad.

It is tho. Way worse than B&R.

 

[Shawpaw]

It's OK to have subjective thoughts on it. I just disagree with the distorted hell-fire approach (All-or-None thinking).

There's some bad to it just like every other movie. I will say, the on-screen death was despicable.

 

[Thomascrown17]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha that Thalia death was the WORST! While typing this for some reason it reminds me of how the Rock and Shaft missed the tree and fell to their death

Wasnt it WB that pushed for a third batflick eventhough Nolan didnt want to after Heath?

WB and their meddling




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