Marvel's The Black Panther

[jye4ever]

You mean the TOLKIEN white guys?

oh man lol

 

[Sassafras]

You know, I never thought about it before - but is it a bit odd that a movie that is predominantly African would feature African-American musical styles? Shouldn't the soundtrack take cues from African musical styles?

While we (especially us Americans) are largely ignorant of it, there is a wide difference between African culture and African-American culture. If the actual movie (I ignore soundtracks and trailers) continues a focus on African-American musical styles, isn't that a bit of an affront to the African culture depicted in the film?

I can't claim to have any real knowledge of this issue, and it's not like we white people don't put our classical John Williams style music on everything, though. Because of course, the first thing you think of when you think of lion prides on the African continent is the soothing voice of Sir Elton John.

Don't know if it's an affront since I've seen YT comments from posters claiming to be from Africa who say hip-hop and rap and all is played there and they are proud and excited about the film being set in Africa. To give Coogler credit, designers were sent to different African countries to study the aesthetics at least for sets and costumes. But I was hoping for more musical influences from at least a few regions of Africa.

For me just too much PC lately about this film tho. Even that B.S. about Jordan supposedly dating a white woman so supposedly some black women were gonna boycott the film - supposedly. (Like it's any business who a total stranger's hanging out with). Now Stan Lee supposedly is a groper or whatever. E.g. it feels like this film is being hijacked for agendas instead of a building block to Infinity Wars. For me it was already irritating that even tho IMO it would have been logical and interesting to see like 10 minutes of interaction with Cap, Bucky, or the other fugitives - just a few minutes - oh no, that would "dilute" T'challa. And instead of the Africa-based score I was sure Coogler would incorporate (at least partly), oh well more good 'ol U.S.

I'll be sitting out opening week until all the PC gushing is over. (LOL that's OK Disney has gotten real cheap with fan event swag). Between Ragnarok laugh-fest and BP social politics not exactly the two films leading to IW that would ratchet the tension UP before IW. That I thought were gonna happen, anyway. I feel kinda derailed.

Not that I didn't love Ragnarok and I might love BP, but Homecoming IMO had more foreshadowing about IW with all the alien junk, the comments about Cap, and the new Spidey suits. It's karma coming to bite my *** 'coz I felt *positivity* about TLJ.

 

[thecapn]

Sassafras - Very interesting about African posters saying that they're excited and that they listen to African American music. If that's indeed the case, then more power to the movie producers to use it!

As far as being PC...that's not this film per se. It's EVERYTHING over the last couple of years especially. As a white male, I feel like I have to watch every single word that comes out of my mouth, and I worry sometimes when I'm on the crowded subway that someone will say I "groped" them.

Not saying these things don't happen, they do, and a lot of the people who've been blasted have done horrible things. I just don't like the instant "you're racist!" "you're sexist!" "you're a sexual assaulter!" reaction to every claim. When did it become destroy people first and ask questions later? Ugh.

Sorry for changing the subject a bit. Just something that's been on my mind of late.

 

[RIDDICK]

Sassafras - Very interesting about African posters saying that they're excited and that they listen to African American music. If that's indeed the case, then more power to the movie producers to use it!

Well, of course there are African countries that has hip hop scene. But most US influenced countrues (pretty much 80% of the world) had hip hop scenes since 80's or 90's so that's not the point.

 

[thecapn]

But if it's an accurate depiction of life in a industrialized African country, then how is that not fine?

 

[EVILFACE]

If it's an accurate depiction of life in Africa, they should all be wearing University of Georgia 2018 National Championship shirts and hats.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

They should be wearing Captain America shirts....the ones with the shield logo on the chest.

 

[lerath666]

Re: Marvels The Black Panther

in 2017 pink is manly

Pink's ALWAYS been manly.

 

[RIDDICK]

Re: Marvels The Black Panther

Pink's ALWAYS been manly.

 

[chewblacca]

Hip hop is not strictly African American music. I used to be an usher at Concert hall in New York. When ever we had rap and hip hop artists there a good chunck of the crowd were young white men and women. So maybe they are using hip hop to attract a certain age range who may be unfamiliar with the character.

 

[Sassafras]

Sassafras - Very interesting about African posters saying that they're excited and that they listen to African American music. If that's indeed the case, then more power to the movie producers to use it!

As far as being PC...that's not this film per se. It's EVERYTHING over the last couple of years especially. As a white male, I feel like I have to watch every single word that comes out of my mouth, and I worry sometimes when I'm on the crowded subway that someone will say I "groped" them.

Not saying these things don't happen, they do, and a lot of the people who've been blasted have done horrible things. I just don't like the instant "you're racist!" "you're sexist!" "you're a sexual assaulter!" reaction to every claim. When did it become destroy people first and ask questions later? Ugh.

Sorry for changing the subject a bit. Just something that's been on my mind of late.

Yeah, and I agree. Sure there's bad out there. Depending what part of the country I am in, I hear some ugly racial slurs. Or worse. Then you watch people talk very, very, carefully to each other and it's not really talking at all. 'Coz you have to watch every word you say. Can't even joke around any more But not really talking doesn't solve anything.

No answers except re BP it's a bummer 'coz even a cast member said she saw the film as bringing people together. Hope in the end that happens. These films are global events now and IMO it's great to see happy fans in the street at premiers.

I think Riddick's comments are probably accurate. Or maybe Coogler knew that if one region of Africa depicted more than others as an influence, there would be complaints so he just stuck with a lot of *Americanisms.*

LOL tho guess I'm in the minority about wanting an African music influence (regional) anyway . Fandango is reporting presales larger than for CW https://variety.com/2018/film/news/black-panther-advance-ticket-sales-record-1202659579/

Edit: Got curious and at least in my area for the fan event, I could get tickets at 5 different large theaters. One theater only the front row was left tho (worst seats). Re theaters w. reserved seats, kinda reminded me of TLJ fan event numbers - pretty full if not completely sold out. At 25$+ adult seating for the event, Disney will be breaking the champagne out.
Again.

 

[marvinmyles]

The film was mostly shot in a studio in Atlanta, Georgia, the falls are actually shots of Iguazu Falls in Argentina and the skyscrapers are all CGI. And in Africa we generally refer to our panthers as leopards. Still, it’s an indulgent fantasy of what Africa could be, but also what may have been without colonial interference. It’s a reminder that the film is not a meditation on culture, but rather a comic book fantasy that is perhaps inspired by Afrofuturism.

More realistically, the Black Panther’s political struggles center on the new king’s challenge to maintain Wakanda’s independence and protect its resources from international plundering and corruption within. It’s a narrative many African states can relate to.
T’Challa is educated in the US, but must return to Africa to fulfill his role, a more grandiose “repat” story, but one that is nonetheless familiar.

What may feel most familiar, and what has caused most debate, are the fashion and visual elements of the film.

Linsey Chutel, She is a Black African Reporter who covers southern Africa from Johannesburg.

 

[Sassafras]

The film was mostly shot in a studio in Atlanta, Georgia, the falls are actually shots of Iguazu Falls in Argentina and the skyscrapers are all CGI. And in Africa we generally refer to our panthers as leopards. Still, it’s an indulgent fantasy of what Africa could be, but also what may have been without colonial interference. It’s a reminder that the film is not a meditation on culture, but rather a comic book fantasy that is perhaps inspired by Afrofuturism.

More realistically, the Black Panther’s political struggles center on the new king’s challenge to maintain Wakanda’s independence and protect its resources from international plundering and corruption within. It’s a narrative many African states can relate to.
T’Challa is educated in the US, but must return to Africa to fulfill his role, a more grandiose “repat” story, but one that is nonetheless familiar.

What may feel most familiar, and what has caused most debate, are the fashion and visual elements of the film.

Linsey Chutel, She is a Black African Reporter who covers southern Africa from Johannesburg.

Thank you for posting - interesting! Wish I had kept the link but there was an article that mentioned Coogler sent people to different African countries and they brought back different items for the set/costume designers to draw on. And the Russos as well had toured Africa but don't know if they did any filming there.

 

[jye4ever]

Outsold CW tickets.

 

[Chakor]

Outsold CW tickets.

 

[Ropen]

Man, interesting times, Iw in may and the solo movie is contending now with deadpool 2, wowow


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[ironwez20]

Wonder why they pushed up deadpool?

 

[MegaPrime33]

Really looking forward to this movie. I see it being as good as WS.

 

[RIDDICK]

I see it being as good as WS.

Why tho?

 

[MegaPrime33]

Why tho?

Just a feeling from the trailers we've seen. So far there hasn't been anything from the studio that has been as good, so I guess part of it is hope too.