McCain Shocker!

[bumblebee]

Well I see there's no point in continuing this discussion with you. Which is fine as your own link proved my point. I really do hope that everyone else would put more weight in what a candidate has shown through his/her *voting record* as opposed to what they simply say with their mouths.

And lets rember McCain voted with Bush 95% of the time.

 

[Khev]

And lets rember McCain voted with Bush 95% of the time.

Touche.

 

[bumblebee]

Touche.

Nope. Just putting the truth out there.

 

[devilof76]

I've been pretty clear I don't agree "guilt by association" has any place in civilized politics no matter what side of the aisle you're on.

Clearly, a man's preacher of 20 years is an irrelevant association.

(And I'm not on either side of the aisle.)

 

[barbelith]

Clearly, a man's preacher of 20 years is an irrelevant association.

Clearly we must be mindless drones who cannot separate wheat from chaff when it comes to our relationships.

 

[OK SITHLORD]

Clearly we must be mindless drones who cannot separate wheat from chaff when it comes to our relationships.

””
Wheat goes into beer, right? What is this ”chaff” you speak off?!!

 

[barbelith]

Well I see there's no point in continuing this discussion with you.

I confused you with another poster who did call Obama a baby killer, whereas you simply said he was anti-baby. I apologize for that.

You are also incorrect about the BAIP. The link I provided spells this out.

 

[Khev]

I confused you with another poster who did call Obama a baby killer, whereas you simply said he was anti-baby. I apologize for that.

Its all right. At the very least it made for a good excuse to move on from this thread. I'm about due for another discussion comparing the silly parts of Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull with those from the other Indy flicks.

Hopefully no one here will blindly vote for a candidate out of hype and will instead research to see what they're really all about.

 

[monkeydad16]

I confused you with another poster who did call Obama a baby killer, whereas you simply said he was anti-baby. I apologize for that.

You are also incorrect about the BAIP. The link I provided spells this out.

Um, no. The link you provided proves Khev right. Obama did vote against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act on the State level. He said he would have voted against it on the Federal level, if he had been in office.

 

[DarkArtist81]

As long as each of us votes with respect to our own belief structure, everything will be fine. Some of us don't rate Abortion at the top of our priorities while others on the opposite side of the fence think the economy is "just fine". It's really only different in what each of us feels is most important.

Conservatives will never see eye to eye with Liberals and Liberals will never see eye to eye with Conservatives... it's really a never ending cycle and there is no right or wrong. Both are a little right and a little wrong.

I like to think of elections as "mini Civil Wars", with the Conservative South versus the Liberal North... Reds vs. Blues...

 

[barbelith]

The link you provided proves Khev right. Obama did vote against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act on the State level. He said he would have voted against it on the Federal level, if he had been in office.

Um, no.

"Obama said that had he been in the US Senate two years ago, he would have voted for the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, even though he voted against a state version of the proposal."

And here's why:

"But there was a major difference between the state and federal versions: the federal one stripped out any language that could have been used to challenge the landmark Roe v. Wade abortion legalization decision."

The state version was also irrelevant as anything other than a wedge:

"Obama ... pointed out state law already required doctors to care for fetuses born alive during botched abortions"

Khev is obfuscating by failing to distinguish between the state and federal versions of the legislation. It's not so black and white.

 

[devilof76]

Clearly we must be mindless drones who cannot separate wheat from chaff when it comes to our relationships.

You're so right. A man's religious convictions and the company he keeps in that regard is merely 'chaff'. It has nothing to do with his own character.

That must have been the church his family attended because it just happened to be in the neighborhood.

 

[barbelith]

You're so right. A man's religious convictions and the company he keeps in that regard is merely 'chaff'. It has nothing to do with his own character.

If you want to believe we should be empty vessels unquestioningly swallowing everything put forward by our friends and acquaintances then go right ahead. I don't think anybody believes that. This is nothing more than political posturing, which is why the right will leap on Wright but make excuses for Kalnins or Hagee and trot out the likes of Anne Coulter even now.

 

[OSCORP]

I'd hit it.

 

[darkknight]

 

[Vader AL]

man forget about politics, i want to look at her for 4 years....watching it now and she really is a hottie.

 

[FQRizzo]

man forget about politics, i want to look at her for 4 years....watching it now and she really is a hottie.

...and she can continue our newly minted tradition of Vice Presidents shooting people.

 

[CelticPredator]

I'd hit it.

Jebus.

 

[Rook]

I've been listening to this woman's speech for 10 minutes now, and all I've heard is negative rhetoric about her candidate's opponent without a dollop of discussion about any real issues. What a waste the Republican party has become. Which is saying something coming from me. I was a huge fan of Reagan and Big George back in the day.

But this? It's embarrassing. There's no intelligence to any of this. It's like the party has concluded that their party is made up of hillbillies and rednecks who don't possess a single rational, original conscious thought among them. Obama and Biden officially have my vote.

 

[OSCORP]

It's like the party has concluded that their party is made up of hillbillies and rednecks who don't possess a single rational, original conscious thought among them.

And?????

Jebus.

Must clarify. I would hit it, but i would never vote for it.