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Palin said -

"There is only one man in this election who has ever really fought for you in places where winning means survival and defeat means death — and that man is John McCain," she said.


My take on candidates having to have military service and praising it-

Proving you can be violent to solve a problem doesn't make you a better choice in my opinion- it just makes you more apt to make rash and unforgivable mistakes. It also proves you are willing to kill other humans for reasons that aren't your own and for a paycheck. That is called being a mercenary.
 
Palin said -

"There is only one man in this election who has ever really fought for you in places where winning means survival and defeat means death — and that man is John McCain," she said.


My take on candidates having to have military service and praising it-

Proving you can be violent to solve a problem doesn't make you a better choice in my opinion- it just makes you more apt to make rash and unforgivable mistakes. It also proves you are willing to kill people for reasons that aren't your own and for a paycheck. That is called being a mercenary.


yeah, military don't create politicians or machines, they make trained killers
 
yeah, military don't create politicians or machines, they make trained killers

Not to infuriate or disrespect our military folk but I agree. Violence is a lame way to solve a problem. I don't know why it's respectable to kill a stranger during war and be called a hero later. Making murderers our Presidents and leaders sounds like a preposterous idea considering we lock people up for life who do it on our soil.
 
Not to infuriate or disrespect our military folk but I agree. Violence is a lame way to solve a problem. I don't know why it's respectable to kill a stranger during war and be called a hero later. Even make murderers our Presidents and leaders.




Cause if you dont kill them they will kill you. War isnt pretty and should be used as the very last resort instead of the first(as has been the case under the current administration) option. I'm fearful if McCain wins the election his hot headed temper will gt us into more wars we dont need.
 
Not to infuriate or disrespect our military folk but I agree. Violence is a lame way to solve a problem.

How do you propose we should have dealt with WWII?

I didn't realize the kids these days considered our soldiers "murderers", even more of a reason I have disassociated myself with my generation long ago.
 
Cause if you dont kill them they will kill you. War isnt pretty and should be used as the very last resort instead of the first(as has been the case under the current administration) option. I'm fearful if McCain wins the election his hot headed temper will gt us into more wars we dont need.

I think that there are always other solutions to problems. Solutions that were passed up many times and then the result was that war became the only solution.

I agree with you that a hot headed president would be and is the worst choice for a country that prides itself on being developed and sophisticated. We need to be more diplomatic. We need to set an example and try to show the rest of the world that we aren't actually ignorant hillbillies with guns and tempers.

My opinion though. I have never been in a fight. I have never owned a gun. I have never had to use force to get what I wanted.
 
How do you propose we should have dealt with WWII?

I didn't realize the kids these days considered our soldiers "murderers", even more of a reason I have disassociated myself with my generation long ago.

If a man kills another man does he not commit murder?

The answer is yes. Doesn't matter what context you put it in. A person taking another person's life is murder. It's even worse when done for money or political gain in my opinion.
 
How do you propose we should have dealt with WWII?

I didn't realize the kids these days considered our soldiers "murderers", even more of a reason I have disassociated myself with my generation long ago.

Things have moved on since then.....now we're no dealing with an army but an idealism which can only be truly solved through politics
 
If a man kills another man does he not commit murder?

The answer is yes. Doesn't matter what context you put it in. A person taking another person's life is murder. It's even worse when done for money in my opinion.

So if someone breaks into my house, and points a gun at me but I kill him first, that makes me a murderer? So I should go to jail for protecting my family? No offense, but you outlook on life is young and naive, I am sure it will change in a few years.
 
I fervently hope for several things. I hope and pray that the audience that saw and heard the Sarah Palin speech was the largest in TV history. I hope every American listened closely to every word. I hope that the Republicans do not have a plan to dump her and that she survives on the ticket through Election Day. And I hope Sarah Palin gives a version of that speech in every state, and every city and every town in America and is heard by tens of millions of people.

Sarah Palin may be the most skilled politician in America. Sarah Palin may be the dangerous woman in America. That may not be enough - she may be the most dangerous person in America. She has a combination of beliefs and qualities which make her so. In her attitude about government and its role and uses, she has strong leanings to the libertarian side of the Republican party. She does not like government, does not want to use government, and campaigns against it. On social issues, she leans strongly to the conservative side of the party invoking such things as denying basic womens rerpoductive rights, advocating the teaching of creationsim in schools, banning books from public libraries and replacing sex education with one word - abstinence. By itself, I can think of no more powerful combination which would destroy much of what we have built here in America.

Now add her personal qualities to that powerful political combination. She is a very attractive woman. A package with such pretty wrapping is hard to resist and forces you to keep looking. And she can deliver a speech very well - perhaps better than any other speaker at the Republican convention.

You put that all together and its some combination. But its not a combination that will work in favor of the American people. She sticks to the script even though the script has been shown to be a work of fiction. She still rejected the bridge to nowhere in her speech even though we all now know she first fought for it until the writing was on the wall. She rails and preaches against Congressional earmarks, although she championed them as a recipient as mayor of that little town in Alaska.

And she delivered both of those lines with a smile on her face and with the most heartfelt sincerity you would ever want to see.

The biggest lines that received the most applause were the throwing red meat to the starving dogs smart-ass sarcasm. She had one sarcastic, smart-alecky line after another. Its like she got her coaching from the ghost of Lenny Bruce or they brought Don Rickles in for the event. And she delivered each of those barbs of partisan sarcasm really well. Perfect timing - other than the waiting a few too many times for the applause - beautiful smile, good reading skills using the teleprompter - just all around excellent delivery. She was smug, condescending and offensive.

I hope America sees this. Excessive smart-alecky sarcasm does not wear well on most people and particularly on a woman. A little bit is fine, and like pepper, goes a long long way. A moderate amount can be tolerated from the best like Rickles. But a boatload of it is overkill that only the most True Believer crowd could accept, embrace and love as this one did.

I previously called Sarah Palin possibly the most dangerous person in America. I believe this unique combination of philosophy, belief, skill and appeal could well help to destroy everything good this country has built since the 1930's and Franklin Roosevelt first introduced us to The New Deal. Somebody with the skills of a Sarah Palin could close lots of deals that a lesser talent could not close.

I hope everybody watched this. And then I hope everybody reads about her efforts to muzzle public employees who work for her. And then I hope everyone reads how she tried to get books banned at the local library when she was mayor. And then I hope everyone reads about how she campaigned for governor on a platform of public safety and against crime but then cut budgets impacting those areas despite the treasury being awash in surplus money. I hope everyone spruces up on the social pathologies of Alaska, high drug abuse, soaring alcoholism rates, high violent crime rates and high school dropout rates. And then they ask why as governor did she not use some of those extra monies to fight some of those things?

I think the way you defeat someone like this is to give them all the light of day to shout their message from the rooftops. Let them preach to the masses. Let her use her sarcastic lines over and over and over again until people can recite them word for word with her.

And then you simply tell the truth.
 
My whole stance is that we, humans, have reached a point in which we have other tools at our disposal. We no longer need to sort things out with violence because we have developed speech and worldwide communication. War is seriously a thing of the past when considering a global community.
 
So if someone breaks into my house, and points a gun at me but I kill him first, that makes me a murderer? So I should go to jail for protecting my family? No offence, but you outlook on life is young and naive, I am sure it will change in a few years.

not a murderer but a killer

shoot to kill or shoot to disarm
 
So if someone breaks into my house, and points a gun at me but I kill him first, that makes me a murderer? So I should go to jail for protecting my family? No offense, but you outlook on life is young and naive, I am sure it will change in a few years.

No you are not sure it will change because you have no way of knowing.

Yes, you kill a person then you are a murderer. You will psychologically have to deal with it just like every one else who has killed another person. Whether you go to jail or not is up to your country's legal system but at the end of the day, you are still a murderer.
 
There is such hypocrisy surrounding death. No matter what reason you do it the end result is the same. You have chosen to kill something or someone. You have made that decision yourself.

We can say that if we kill for different reasons it's ok but that is really just a self-defense mechanism to help us cope with our actions. In context to this discussion, I really don't think that this type of experience should be held up on a pedestal when considering a future leader.
 
So if someone breaks into my house, and points a gun at me but I kill him first, that makes me a murderer? So I should go to jail for protecting my family? No offense, but you outlook on life is young and naive, I am sure it will change in a few years.

That is most gun owner's wet dream, to be able to defend yourself. As a gun owner I know. I still think it is hilarious that people are so worried about home invasion.

My whole stance is that we, humans, have reached a point in which we have other tools at our disposal. We no longer need to sort things out with violence because we have developed speech and worldwide communication. War is seriously a thing of the past when considering a global community.


All the communication tools in the world aren't going to make people listen and that is always why there is war.


I am neither anti-gun nor pro-war. I think reality lies somewhere in-between the way you two guys think.
 
If a man kills another man does he not commit murder?

The answer is yes. Doesn't matter what context you put it in. A person taking another person's life is murder. It's even worse when done for money or political gain in my opinion.
So if a man is attacking you, your wife, or children(if you have them) you would consider it murder to defend them?
 
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