MCU - Phase Four

[Victοr]

Yup. It was def ultimate inspired back then at the time. Also Tobey Spider-Man and Fox Xmen were probably part of the universe during that time but Disney came in and bought marvel.

I remember the final scene to 08 hulk. It makes no sense now.

Raimi-Man was gonna cameo in the FoX-Men, and there were talks about them being in the same U as Iron Man back in the day. Honestly, I'd have liked that. It'd have given the films a definitive 2000s feel. Honestly, it's a shame that because that window's closed, we'll never get a proper Ultimates now. Some 2000s Period Pieces have popped up, and I imagine the 20s is when the "Nostalgia" will hit if we go by the previous decades and how the trend works, but we'll never get that Post-9/11 Gung-Ho Military Fiction Ultimates. And it's just sad.

And we'll never get a proper Mozz X-Men, which is double sad.

 

[Johnny Utah]

 

[ironwez20]

Raimi-Man was gonna cameo in the FoX-Men, and there were talks about them being in the same U as Iron Man back in the day. Honestly, I'd have liked that. It'd have given the films a definitive 2000s feel. Honestly, it's a shame that because that window's closed, we'll never get a proper Ultimates now. Some 2000s Period Pieces have popped up, and I imagine the 20s is when the "Nostalgia" will hit if we go by the previous decades and how the trend works, but we'll never get that Post-9/11 Gung-Ho Military Fiction Ultimates. And it's just sad.

And we'll never get a proper Mozz X-Men, which is double sad.

Yea I blame ***** executives and sometimes Avi arad who is a complete ******* . I think he said no to the xmen showing up in the raimi verse

 

[screamingmetal]

Raimi-Man was gonna cameo in the FoX-Men, and there were talks about them being in the same U as Iron Man back in the day. Honestly, I'd have liked that. It'd have given the films a definitive 2000s feel. Honestly, it's a shame that because that window's closed, we'll never get a proper Ultimates now. Some 2000s Period Pieces have popped up, and I imagine the 20s is when the "Nostalgia" will hit if we go by the previous decades and how the trend works, but we'll never get that Post-9/11 Gung-Ho Military Fiction Ultimates. And it's just sad.

And we'll never get a proper Mozz X-Men, which is double sad.

You know what's also sad about the MCU; no Fantastic Four to begin the MCU, no Namor MCU story, Doctor Doom will never face of against the real Captain America & Iron Man, Asgardians are now aliens and not gods, Fake Mandarin, the dropping of the conclusion of the 5 Rings story line for Tony, only two solo Captain America stories (Civil War is an Avengers story), Red Skull was only menacing for one movie, Captain America never faced Red Skull again, no Howling Commandos solo movie or TV series, one solo Hulk story that feels disjointed from the MCU, no Demon in a Bottle story for Tony, no Fin Fang Foom story for Tony, no A.I.M. or Modok story, the MCU version of Shield completely missed the mark, Hydra was turned into Nazi stand-ins, The Inhumans was absolute s-t, Crossbones was a letdown and now dead, Baron Von Strucker story dropped and killed off, Spider-Man as Iron Man's protege, no real Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell), Adam Warlock story abruptly dropped & did not face off against Thanos in the IG story, Luke Cage and Daredevil wasn't in any MCU movie and will likely be rebooted, and The Black Widow movie being a prequel and coming out after her death.

Just to name a few things I can think of at the moment.
Despite liking the MCU, there's so much wrong with it.

 

[ironwez20]

I always thought it felt broken without all of its characters. I loved avengers but didn?t care for gotg or the z list characters they tried to push . If it wasn?t for Spider-Man and Black Panther I probably wouldn?t be as interested

 

[Spartan Rex]

 

[Sassafras]

You know what's also sad about the MCU; no Fantastic Four to begin the MCU, no Namor MCU story, Doctor Doom will never face of against the real Captain America & Iron Man, Asgardians are now aliens and not gods, Fake Mandarin, the dropping of the conclusion of the 5 Rings story line for Tony, only two solo Captain America stories (Civil War is an Avengers story), Red Skull was only menacing for one movie, Captain America never faced Red Skull again, no Howling Commandos solo movie or TV series, one solo Hulk story that feels disjointed from the MCU, no Demon in a Bottle story for Tony, no Fin Fang Foom story for Tony, no A.I.M. or Modok story, the MCU version of Shield completely missed the mark, Hydra was turned into Nazi stand-ins, The Inhumans was absolute s-t, Crossbones was a letdown and now dead, Baron Von Strucker story dropped and killed off, Spider-Man as Iron Man's protege, no real Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell), Adam Warlock story abruptly dropped & did not face off against Thanos in the IG story, Luke Cage and Daredevil wasn't in any MCU movie and will likely be rebooted, and The Black Widow movie being a prequel and coming out after her death.

Just to name a few things I can think of at the moment.
Despite liking the MCU, there's so much wrong with it.

Well, for me it's the Bucky/Nat/Cap/Falcon handling - e.g., there wasn't any, vs. whatever the Russos and company were doing with IW/EG. The Adam Warlock thing.
Pushing CM over SW. Hulk.

*Shrug*. Am sorry IW/EG ended up being films I will hardly ever rewatch; but was a heck of a ride.

 

[Victοr]

You know what's also sad about the MCU; no Fantastic Four to begin the MCU, no Namor MCU story, Doctor Doom will never face of against the real Captain America & Iron Man, Asgardians are now aliens and not gods, Fake Mandarin, the dropping of the conclusion of the 5 Rings story line for Tony, only two solo Captain America stories (Civil War is an Avengers story), Red Skull was only menacing for one movie, Captain America never faced Red Skull again, no Howling Commandos solo movie or TV series, one solo Hulk story that feels disjointed from the MCU, no Demon in a Bottle story for Tony, no Fin Fang Foom story for Tony, no A.I.M. or Modok story, the MCU version of Shield completely missed the mark, Hydra was turned into Nazi stand-ins, The Inhumans was absolute s-t, Crossbones was a letdown and now dead, Baron Von Strucker story dropped and killed off, Spider-Man as Iron Man's protege, no real Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell), Adam Warlock story abruptly dropped & did not face off against Thanos in the IG story, Luke Cage and Daredevil wasn't in any MCU movie and will likely be rebooted, and The Black Widow movie being a prequel and coming out after her death.

Just to name a few things I can think of at the moment.
Despite liking the MCU, there's so much wrong with it.

I hear you. They wanted to mesh the "tacticoolness" and "streamlining" of 1610 with all the lore of the 616, and ended up wasting characters, ruining backstories and ending up with a corny, mass produced tone. And in turn, they've ruined everything. Who's Doom going to threaten now that the Avengers are literal B/C-Listers? Spider-Man doesn't even properly exist in this Universe as far as I'm concerned; he's just Iron Spider ft. Dollar Store Villain Knockoffs.

Honestly, at this point I'm growing to appreaciate the FoX-Men Movies. At least until X3. They are a product of their time, but that's exactly it; they have a flair and identity. I can watch them and say "yeah, these are 2000s Capeflicks". They exist in the time period of Millar's Ultimates and X-Men, Morrison's New X-Men, X-Men Legends I & II, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, all that. With their black leather and 'realistic' makeovers, they at least had a 'personality'. And the same thing goes for Raimi-Man. What is the MCU? It has no "chracter", just a formula. And it's just sad. Same days I pretend that the only thing that exists is the Iron Man Trilogy and a Hulk Spin-Off...

I always thought it felt broken without all of its characters. I loved avengers but didn?t care for gotg or the z list characters they tried to push . If it wasn?t for Spider-Man and Black Panther I probably wouldn?t be as interested

They could've done it without the F4 & X-Men, if only they just adapted the Ultimates. But no, instead we got a safe retelling of the Ultimates filtered through camp and tv directing. As the years go on, I grow to dislike the MCU more and more. It's a massive missed opportunity.

Well, for me it's the Bucky/Nat/Cap/Falcon handling - e.g., there wasn't any, vs. whatever the Russos and company were doing with IW/EG. The Adam Warlock thing.
Pushing CM over SW. Hulk.

*Shrug*. Am sorry IW/EG ended up being films I will hardly ever rewatch; but was a heck of a ride.

I used to be a pretty big Winter Soldier fan back in the day, but the MCU version is just so bland and soft that all my interest went away. When I was reading Brubaker's Cap I was all aboard the Bucky train, and now he wouldn't even crack my Top 50.

 

[TheDucky]

I guess I’m the only one here who likes the MCU???

Some of these comments act like we are living in a perfect world or expect a panel by panel retelling of the comics. It’s not even realistic to expect to get every single story line or 6 movies per character. That is actually crazy to expect that.

Character fatigue for actors is real.

Actors age.

Marvel didn’t have the rights to a bunch of characters, so should they just not have moved forward with anything?

23 films all tie in together with a satisfying payoff and did the absolute best to their abilities to work past real world problems... and it’s still not enough.

 

[Victοr]

Dunno, there probably are some folks around here who like the MCU. My problem isn't that we didn't get everything. My problem is that the MCU exists in the first place. Instead of characters and teams getting their own stories and "voices", you end up with a disjointed mess based on a mass-marketed formula that fails to be faithful to either the older or the more modern comics. You can either make classic Marvel and go full tights and camp, or you can make gritty Ultimates Blockbusters. But they did neither, and we ended up with a mishmash that is just "there". Singer's X-Men had its own tone. Raimi's Spider-Man the same. Nolan's Batman as well. The MCU doesn't have a "tone"; it has a formula.

The reason people are dissapointed is that they're unwilling to let the MCU go, even after regaining all their rights. They're dead-set on continuing this for God knows how long, defeating the purpose of seeing all those chaacters interact, when the Avengers are dead and gone and Spider-Man has been wasted. You'll never get to see the Avengers meet the X-Men and Doom, so what's the point ? The whole MCU rode the wave of novelty, and at this point it's gone, and the X-Men and F4 are all that remain. So either reboot or just let them do their own thing. But the MCU makes tons of cash from normies to do that.

I don't care anymore. I don't even really care for crossovers. My grievance is that we can't get a self-contained Iron Man Trilogy anymore. We'll not get a Doom solo. Apocalypse won't be some great threat considering that Doctor Strange can hop in and banish him to the Dark Dimension, or Carl Manvers can use her awesome gurrrrllll powers to blast him to Hell and back. The MCU has the same problem as the actual comics have, which is a bloated, interconnected universe that does more harm than good, in most cases. I care about good movies with distinct voices. The Capeflicks will never be like the comics themselves, so I don't get my hopes up for the watered down versions. 616 Infinity Gauntlet was a fight for reality that involved the Abstracts. MCU Infinity Gauntlet literally had its final battle at some blown up parking lot. So aside from the novelty of seeing Doom interact with Iron Man and Wolverine on the Big Screen and go "huh, neat" what's even the point ?

I'd much rather we went back to separate universes with a Trilogy or so under their belt, each one of them a new take. Because a line-wide formula does ntohing bar ground every property to a single take.

 

[Unclechopchop]

I guess Keanu as ghost rider?

 

[Zurdo95D]

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Great IM poster!

08 hulk would of been more of a challenge for thanos to put down . Change my mind.

He was brutal and used weapons and was smart. This....... ape hulk is just some dumb lumbering ***** who gets scared.

Hilarious how now hulk is seen as a little ***** who got whooped and resorted to using common sense

Good points.

I watch them like this...

Phase 1 - The Origins

Captain America: The First Avenger

Iron Man

Iron Man 2

Thor

The Avengers

Phase 2 - Avengers Disassembled

Iron Man 3

Thor: The Dark World

Captain America: The Winter Soldier

Avengers: Age of Ultron

Ant-Man

Captain America: Civil War

Phase 3 - The New Avengers

Black Panther

Spider-Man: Homecoming

Ant-Man and The Wasp (skip end credits)

Doctor Strange

Phase 4 - Cosmic

Captain Marvel

Guardians of the Galaxy

Guardians of the Galaxy 2

Thor: Ragnarok

Avengers: Infinity War (AM2 and CM End Credits Here)

Avengers: Endgame

Phase 5 - New Beginnings

Spider-Man: Far From Home

Good categorization! Nice contrast to the chronological order.

 

[a-dev]

I guess I?m the only one here who likes the MCU???

Some of these comments act like we are living in a perfect world or expect a panel by panel retelling of the comics. It?s not even realistic to expect to get every single story line or 6 movies per character. That is actually crazy to expect that.

Character fatigue for actors is real.

Actors age.

Marvel didn?t have the rights to a bunch of characters, so should they just not have moved forward with anything?

23 films all tie in together with a satisfying payoff and did the absolute best to their abilities to work past real world problems... and it?s still not enough.

I concur. They did great. Infinity War and Endgame, for me, were a triumph.

But I understand people's regret over things that can't happen now, characters that now won't meet.

 

[Sassafras]

I guess I?m the only one here who likes the MCU???

Some of these comments act like we are living in a perfect world or expect a panel by panel retelling of the comics. It?s not even realistic to expect to get every single story line or 6 movies per character. That is actually crazy to expect that.

Character fatigue for actors is real.

Actors age.

Marvel didn?t have the rights to a bunch of characters, so should they just not have moved forward with anything?

23 films all tie in together with a satisfying payoff and did the absolute best to their abilities to work past real world problems... and it?s still not enough.

Personally didn't find it a satisfying payoff. An uneven payoff - IW marred by too many cooks involved in the script leading to a blip of a Wakanda battle; draggy speeches in some places, and so on. EG basically a love letter to Avengers more or less; some things for me fell flat.

But that's not the same thing as saying the whole thing sux etc. IMO in many ways *miraculous*; kicking off with IM1. I could have a whole list about the things IMO that were done right. Otherwise I wouldn't have a whole collection of Captain Americas.

Also Disney + wouldn't have spun off series which look very promising IMO.

 

[ironwez20]

I think endgame was just ok. It was very dragging and to silly at times. The final fight is cool but felt like I watching lord of the rings

 

[JAWS]

I think endgame was just ok. It was very dragging and to silly at times. The final fight is cool but felt like I watching lord of the rings

I boarderline hate Endgame.. Part of it is becasue Hulk is my fav character and te MCU ruined him by the end.

But the bigger reason is what you said. Just too silly and pretty boring. Hell I dont even like the end battle that much. Its an cinematography is an Ugly mess (the whole scene looks like vomit ) and it plays like a trailer scene more then a final classic battle. It was cool to see them all on the screen in one shot but once that novelty wears off you are not left with much.

 

[Spartan Rex]

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[ironwez20]

I boarderline hate Endgame.. Part of it is becasue Hulk is my fav character and te MCU ruined him by the end.

But the bigger reason is what you said. Just too silly and pretty boring. Hell I dont even like the end battle that much. Its an cinematography is an Ugly mess (the whole scene looks like vomit ) and it plays like a trailer scene more then a final classic battle. It was cool to see them all on the screen in one shot but once that novelty wears off you are not left with much.

But Tros did it for you? Lol I kid. Yea them ruining Hulk was a big No No for me. People like to whine and say they did it to prop up Captain Marvel but she got her *** kicked to so i don't think that was it.

The ONLY way I see the Mcu saving hulk is if we get that Hulk vs Wolverine movie that is rumored.

 

[jye4ever]

I think had the MCU followed the comic books to perfection they would?ve risked never finding the size audience that their financiers and shareholders large net requires.

450 million budgets x 25 movies is too risky just to ensure they are bringing darthkostis inner geek happiness lol


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[Khev]

Yep look what happened when TROS catered directly to Khev's inner geek happiness everyone hated it, lol.