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I was just about to say didn't see go down the blue mile
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As you know, Konami took down SuperBunnyHop's video and inadvertently, aside from shooting themselves in the foot- made George more popular. This is his follow up response:
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They even hit eBay sales? Goddamn. I guess they're "taking it back to zero" for real. I can't believe how bad Konami is handling everything after Kojima's outing.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there's any law to prohibit you from re-selling pre-installed media but the P.T listings were taken down, supposedly at the request of Konami.
Amazing artwork Pliss! Didn't know that about you. Very cool! thanks for sharing
I guess we lucked out to own it before any of this nonsense.
Thanks! I'm going to try to do one a day. I'll have another up tonight.
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Bravo! Turned out splendid! The head looks like the model from the game! 
Thanks Ryan! I'm glad you like it.
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Here's it without the brown background.
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Here's it without the brown background.
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d_jedi1
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Several pages back, there were questions about cloning and accelerated aging.
Technically, clones should be subject to it unless certain issues are overcome. Normally, our bodies produce telomerase until about 30 years of age. In cases of progeria, it would seem that those children have never produced it and due to the rapid cell-divisions that are normal during childhood, appear MUCH older than they actually are.
Now, with cloning, clone would essentially inherit the "state" (or age) of the telomeres and telomerase of the subject being cloned. If that subject were near enough to their thirties (or already above) then accelerated aging would be likely to set in.
Interestingly, treatments for telomere/telomerase related premature aging have shown that you actually CAN de-age people buuut it seems to result in one of the main things that they normally protect against (cancer). Kind of a lose-lose situation but if you could overcome the issue of cancer, you could be physically in your mid-late twenties basically forever.
Also, I've ALWAYS felt that MGS was largely influenced by a book written by David Rorvik titled "In His Image: the cloning of a man". Rorvik maintains that the cloning described in this book did in fact take place but has never provided evidence.
That said, some of the hurdles described in that book were indeed found back when the sheep Dolly was cloned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rorvik
Technically, clones should be subject to it unless certain issues are overcome. Normally, our bodies produce telomerase until about 30 years of age. In cases of progeria, it would seem that those children have never produced it and due to the rapid cell-divisions that are normal during childhood, appear MUCH older than they actually are.
Now, with cloning, clone would essentially inherit the "state" (or age) of the telomeres and telomerase of the subject being cloned. If that subject were near enough to their thirties (or already above) then accelerated aging would be likely to set in.
Interestingly, treatments for telomere/telomerase related premature aging have shown that you actually CAN de-age people buuut it seems to result in one of the main things that they normally protect against (cancer). Kind of a lose-lose situation but if you could overcome the issue of cancer, you could be physically in your mid-late twenties basically forever.
Also, I've ALWAYS felt that MGS was largely influenced by a book written by David Rorvik titled "In His Image: the cloning of a man". Rorvik maintains that the cloning described in this book did in fact take place but has never provided evidence.
That said, some of the hurdles described in that book were indeed found back when the sheep Dolly was cloned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rorvik
GasparZizou
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Great bit of info 
the rapid aging never bothered me, I intuitively felt it was natural and logical given Snake's a clone, not because I knew anything about the work you're referencing, but simply because in many works of fiction, clones age rapidly, I think I subconsciously made the connection 
the rapid aging never bothered me, I intuitively felt it was natural and logical given Snake's a clone, not because I knew anything about the work you're referencing, but simply because in many works of fiction, clones age rapidly, I think I subconsciously made the connection 
Snake would've been in his late-thirties to early 40s by the events of MGS 2, and there was no indication that he was suffering from accelerated aging up at that point. I don't think anyone expected an "Old Snake" to show up prior to seeing the initial teaser trailers for MGS 4. Snake only became that way, because Kojima wanted to use Snake as an analogy for his retirement from the series (which, hilariously never came about).
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But so what if Snake was in his late 30's in MGS2? That's perfectly within the normal range d_jedi1 provided, isn't it? I'm not saying it was planned from the beginning, most likely it wasn't I agree with you on Kojima projecting himself, I'm just saying it didn't bother me for the reasons already mentioned, either Kojima understood remarkably well the concept of cloning, or it was just lucky that that sort of thing fits.
I agree with you on Kojima projecting himself, I'm just saying it didn't bother me for the reasons already mentioned, either Kojima understood remarkably well the concept of cloning, or it was just lucky that that sort of thing fits.
I don't think any of us here are genetic experts. But, story-wise, it was pretty absurd for Snake to age the way he did in the sequel for MGS 2, when there was no prior indication of his degenerative aging. It would've been more respectful to the character if the aging shown as something more progressive, rather than being so abrupt. Then again, there was hardly anything about MGS 4 that was respectful to Snake, or the franchise, for that matter.
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Well to be fair, Liquid noticed Snake wasn't so young looking in MGS2. He's 35 at the time of the Tanker chapter, and IMO he could pass for a guy in his 40s.
Well, he was a heavy drinker and smoker . Those things would take years off a person's life. But, Snake wasn't aware of his accelerated aging until much later - when he and Otacon started seeing doctors to find a cure.
. Those things would take years off a person's life. But, Snake wasn't aware of his accelerated aging until much later - when he and Otacon started seeing doctors to find a cure.
Instead of trying to make a difference, he stuck to going to doctors and drinking his metamucil. Ugh, if anyone deserved a happy ending, it was Snake.
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I still think the aging came way too out of nowhere, though the theory provided in the previous page does help...I'm still not sure. I don't really take Liquid's statement into account though, that could be just be him being a **** I'd be interested to see Snake responding to the aging, maybe if we got some game set between MGS1 and 2.
I'd be interested to see Snake responding to the aging, maybe if we got some game set between MGS1 and 2.
Having Snake going around the world, destroying REX clones would be great... but I can't see it having much story like the other games.
I've been going through MGS4 the last week and a half off and on. My girl is in full agreement that it sucks, and Snake has been put in such a depressing look and state. She asked me the other day, "if Liquid was alive, would he be this aged too?" But of course, he was "drowning in time" too. Although... we never get an explanation of what the dominant and recessive genes were, would Liquid not age as fast? One would think, they both had the same expiration date.
I've been going through MGS4 the last week and a half off and on. My girl is in full agreement that it sucks, and Snake has been put in such a depressing look and state. She asked me the other day, "if Liquid was alive, would he be this aged too?" But of course, he was "drowning in time" too. Although... we never get an explanation of what the dominant and recessive genes were, would Liquid not age as fast? One would think, they both had the same expiration date.
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