1/6 MMS DX 02 - TDK- BATMAN full spec and pics

[EdwardNashton1]

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Black Mask is a guy who gets a mask permanently burned onto his face. How he could even function after that is very unrealistic. That's my reason for doubting it.


As for Keaton, he didn't really have a separate voice as a I recall. And if he did, it wasn't much different than his normal voice, and it wasn't intimidating at all.

 

[HottoyzJoker]

Re: Hot Toys - MMS DX 02 - TDK- BATMAN full spec and pics

Michael Keaton Batman > Bale's Batman
Heath Ledgers Joker > Jack's Joker

 

[HottoyzJoker]

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Black Mask is a guy who gets a mask permanently burned onto his face. How he could even function after that is very unrealistic. That's my reason for doubting it.


As for Keaton, he didn't really have a separate voice as a I recall. And if he did, it wasn't much different than his normal voice, and it wasn't intimidating at all.

Are you kidding Twoface has half his face burnt off down to his jaw he should be dead in real life he would be dead... Black Mask would work fine...

 

[EdwardNashton1]

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Are you kidding Twoface has half his face burnt off down to his jaw he should be dead in real life he would be dead... Black Mask would work fine...

This is true. I guess you can't question what Nolan does anymore....

I honestly feel justified now in saying that when I walked out of the Dark Knight after first seeing it, I was confused. I was confused in the respect that it was not what I had expected it to be like. When I first walked out, I didn't like it. It took about a week for it to grow on me. The trailer made it look like a sequel to Batman Begins. Honestly, it seems more like a stand alone movie, and I think I like Batman Begins better........

Damn, I never though I'd say that.

 

[HottoyzJoker]

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The Dark Knight > Batman Begins

 

[DiFabio]

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Damn, I never though I'd say that.

And you'll see The Dark Knight rises regardless of how you feel and what you say now.

It wasn't intimidating at all.

Your opinion I guess. Like I said, I like Bale's voice in Batman Begins, but it's laughable in TDK most of the time. In terms of intimidation I'd say the '89 Batman voice is more intimidating than an angry, lispy guy constantly growling.

I didn't want to admit it when I came out of the theaters ("come on, he's changing his voice to get into character and to be intimidating!", but I ended up agreeing with everyone that the voice was just, awkward. It gets funnier on repeat viewings.

"THIIIIIISSSSS CITY JUST SHOWED YOUUUUUUUU, THAT IT'S FULLL OF PEOPLE READY TO BELIEVE IN GOOOOOOOOOOOD."

Seriously, that's not even an exaggeration.

 

[Maglor]

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Black Mask is a guy who gets a mask permanently burned onto his face. How he could even function after that is very unrealistic. That's my reason for doubting it.

If Noland chooses the Black Mask, the burnt into his face thing won't happen.


Think about the Joker. In the original Batman movie the characters face was made permanently white because of acid burns. He had to use makeup to have normal flesh tones. That is very comicbooky. Noland didn't go that route. He had the white be makeup and called it "war paint."

I'm sure the black mask will just be a character with a black mask on.

 

[EdwardNashton1]

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And you'll see The Dark Knight rises regardless of how you feel and what you say now.

Yeah you are probably right. But I cannot say how much I will like it.

"THIIIIIISSSSS CITY JUST SHOWED YOUUUUUUUU, THAT IT'S FULLL OF PEOPLE READY TO BELIEVE IN GOOOOOOOOOOOD."

Seriously, that's not even an exaggeration.

Well, someone explained to me when I questioned it. He had a lot of crap happen to him.

I don't remember all that happened to him, but here's some of it.

He had dogs tear his back

Got stabbed, and probably had the wound re open

Got beat with a crowbar

etc. He was pretty tired when he said all of that.

 

[iampoch]

Re: Hot Toys - MMS DX 02 - TDK- BATMAN full spec and pics

Michael Keaton Batman > Bale's Batman
Heath Ledgers Joker > Jack's Joker

For me, it's always been

Michael Keaton Batman = Bale's Batman
Heath Ledgers Joker = Jack's Joker

 

[DiFabio]

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Well, someone explained to me when I questioned it. He had a lot of crap happen to him.

I don't remember all that happened to him, but here's some of it.

He had dogs tear his back

Got stabbed, and probably had the wound re open

Got beat with a crowbar

etc. He was pretty tired when he said all of that.

What about before all that happened to him. He still talked like that.

FINGER PRINTSSSSS, I DON'T NEED HELP.

Or was Batman always hurt?

Granted, there are few line deliveries I love that sound fine. "Beautiful, isn't it?" Batman's monologue at the end, etc. But most of the time he sounds like a blithering idiot. Like the Joker ALWAYS outsmarts him and makes Batman look like a _____. That or his mask is on too tight around his nose, throat and face.

 

[EdwardNashton1]

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Hmmm, I'll have to watch it again. I do think I agree a bit about the joker outsmarting part, which should be the Riddler's job.

 

[haytil]

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What about before all that happened to him. He still talked like that.

FINGER PRINTSSSSS,

If you watch the movie again, you'll see that that line was delivered within hours of Batman having been stabbed in the gut with the Joker's blade.

I DON'T NEED HELP.

I don't think he uses the "Bale voice" or a throaty, hoarse growl to deliver that line. He yells it in a pretty standard manner, as he's hopping into the Batmobile.

I suspect there's considerable confirmation bias when you're listening to Batman's lines. In other words, I think you're interpreting all of Batman's lines with the critical eyes of someone who believes in the "Bale Was Over the Top" theory - and the issue is made even worse with the prevalence of "Batman growl parodies" in the social mass consciousness.

I think many/most of the lines are delivered just fine. And the ones that do sound "over the top" were perfectly justified - Batman sustained multiple serious injuries and fatigue as the movie worn on. If he hadn't sounded the way he did (like in the final scene, for instance), it would have been LESS realistic (even if it isn't as "cool" sounding).

 

[DiFabio]

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Well, one extreme to another.

You could just be digging too deep to find reasons to defend it. We might both be wrong, who knows.

I don't care, it sounds wrong and I don't like it. I don't care if Batman had a hole blown through his chest, SOUND LIKE BATMAN.

 

[Rorywan]

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To me Batman characters need to be Batman characters. Real life "versions" just dont cut it. What's the point? And of course there is a middle ground. Batman Begins had iconic bats moments, running down the hall with the bats flying by for example. This is batman, it walks a fine line between reality and fantasy. Take out the silly kungfoo and Katie Holmes and the first movie was great. TDK had a great first act. Ledger was great in every scene.but whole chunks of the end were just boring. Needs more fantasy but taken seriously. And no more Bale shouting.

 

[intothevoid]

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Agree on Bale voice needing to be toned down to Begins style, and agree that focus has to be on Batman, and the process of him redeeming himself/rising again. I'm confident that's what the story will be about at the end of the day.

 

[EdwardNashton1]

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If you watch the movie again, you'll see that that line was delivered within hours of Batman having been stabbed in the gut with the Joker's blade.



I don't think he uses the "Bale voice" or a throaty, hoarse growl to deliver that line. He yells it in a pretty standard manner, as he's hopping into the Batmobile.

I suspect there's considerable confirmation bias when you're listening to Batman's lines. In other words, I think you're interpreting all of Batman's lines with the critical eyes of someone who believes in the "Bale Was Over the Top" theory - and the issue is made even worse with the prevalence of "Batman growl parodies" in the social mass consciousness.

I think many/most of the lines are delivered just fine. And the ones that do sound "over the top" were perfectly justified - Batman sustained multiple serious injuries and fatigue as the movie worn on. If he hadn't sounded the way he did (like in the final scene, for instance), it would have been LESS realistic (even if it isn't as "cool" sounding).

I agree with this. It was what I was trying to say.

 

[DiFabio]

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"Batman sounded like this because he had diarrhea", "Batman did this because he had a cold today."

It just seems like excuses to me since he sounds so over the top and ridiculous. Plus, fans have came up with these theories. It's not like Nolan or Bale ever came out and said, "he sounds like this because...".

It's bad, the majority of people feel this way, something must be up. Batman got his ass whooped by Ras and he didn't start huffing and puffing and start sounding stupid.

 

[haytil]

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Nolan's movies are all about realism. One of the realistic traits of his characters is that they get injured, and this can be reflected in their behaviors.

"Batman sounded like this because he had diarrhea", "Batman did this because he had a cold today."

Nobody's making a ridiculous argument like that. We saw him get injured in the movie - so he acted like he was injured. Complaining that he has that voice is like complaining about him limping in the end of the movie.

"Batman doesn't limp! Batman gets in fights and always walks away fine!"

Well, not in this series - Batman CAN get hurt.

Plus, fans have came up with these theories. It's not like Nolan or Bale ever came out and said, "he sounds like this because...".

Fans came up with the complaints of the voice as well. What's your point? The dialog is amongst those who watched the film (the fans), not the ones who created the film.

Nolan and Bale haven't commented on the voice because they don't need to - the film speaks for itself. If you see the reasons for the voice, good for you. If not, then Nolan and Bale aren't going to spoon-feed it to you in an interview, because that's not their job. And if someone actually asked them about it, I'm sure they'd give a polite answer while privately wondering why they're talking to someone so dense.

Again, asking them about it would be akin to asking them why Batman is limping and stumbling at the end. Do you think they should explain that, in case someone didn't get it? And how do you think they'd respond to someone actually asking them that?

It's bad, the majority of people feel this way, something must be up.

I don't think the majority of people feel this way, and I challenge you to prove otherwise. I think a vocal minority do and a bunch of other people think it's just funny to laugh about and don't actually consider it an issue, much less actively agree with the "anti-voice" opinion.

Batman got his ass whooped by Ras and he didn't start huffing and puffing and start sounding stupid.

We didn't see Batman right after his fight with Ra's - the scene with Gordon at the end is at least a day (and likely a week or more) after his fight with Ra's.

Also, I think Batman took a hell of a lot more of a beating in "The Dark Knight" (and across a much shorter span of time) than in "Batman Begins."

 

[EdwardNashton1]

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It's bad, the majority of people feel this way, something must be up. Batman got his ass whooped by Ras and he didn't start huffing and puffing and start sounding stupid.

I'm going to have to watch the movie again, because I do not recall Batman getting his ass whooped by Ras.

 

[DiFabio]

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We didn't see Batman right after his fight with Ra's - the scene with Gordon at the end is at least a day (and likely a week or more) after his fight with Ra's.

Also, I think Batman took a hell of a lot more of a beating in "The Dark Knight" (and across a much shorter span of time) than in "Batman Begins."

He talks to Ras after his beating. "I'm not going to kill you, but I don't have to save you."

That delivery is badass and intimidating. Minutes before Ras was boxing and kicking his head in. Before that Batman got beat down by Nijas and people drugged by the fear toxin.

Come on. You guys are defending a fictional character. You can't say it's not an issue. If it's not why are there so many parodies of his voice and so much criticism.

Or does everyone just not "get it"?

I'm sure they'd give a polite answer while privately wondering why they're talking to someone so dense.

Oh I see.

I once thought as you do, but I'm done defending it. Batman sounds ridiculous, hurt or not. It's a film first and foremost, not a ____ing "REAL" documentary.