Moria ORC PF

[Mesa]

It's just such a damn stark contrast. Maybe if they chose dark purple over red it wouldn't be so bad. Or better yet, BROWN cheap pleather/cloth.

 

[Darklord Dave]

And Dave, not everyone of those guys are haters.....they are just concerned consumers.. and I think they got the right to voice their opinion.

Yes, opinions are welcome. I just hate to see a mob mentality develop that may make an unfortunate situation worse.

 

[Blu Falcon]

P.S. I think 99% of collectors want an item that is movie-accurate, including perceived colors that were achieved using digital color filters. And not this "production-accurate" nonsense.

Here! Here! Production accuracy is codswallop.

 

[crazytrain]

It seems to me that the "debate" is being fuelled from both sides. If anyone dares to say anything against SS, they are labelled as "haters", if anyone dares to stand up for SS, they are "stooges". Forget so-called "movie accuracy" - its never been a priority before. As I see it, there is a VERY obvious difference between what is depicted on the SS website and what several people have already received. Okay, I'm never going to expect it to look exactly the same as the prototype, but this one is just a step too far. At best, thats very poor from SS, at worst its tantamount to deception. Parts of the clothing on the production piece are undoubtedly far too red. You can kid yourself and blame flash or lighting or whatever you like, but funnily enough the other colours appear fine in whatever lighting there is, so unless the material is made of something extremely strange that reacts in some weird way to light, then I suspect very much that it is indeed VERY red. The first thing I did was contact SS, very politely to express my concerns and suggest that I was considering cancelling my order as I did not want to pay for shipping to and from the UK if I had to return it to them (that would cost me well over $100). I asked them if they were aware of the problem, and the "concerns" that were being expressed about the first production pieces on the internet, and what they were proposing to do about it. I am still waiting for them to respond. As and when I hear from them I'll let you know (if you're interested....)

Oh and just for the record, like Woodsy, I've spent several (far too many) thousands of dollars on SSW and SS LotR products - I really was looking forward to this piece - if I have to cancel (and yes, if it really is that red then I do consider that I "have" to cancel) I will be very disappointed, so I am not a "hater" in any way, shape or form. This may even be the "final straw". I've also been hugely disappointed with the decision to put the 12" line "on hold" so have been seriously thinking about putting a stop to my LotR addiction (ahem, "hobby") anyway. If SS don't correct this serious flaw in the Moria Orc then they may have lost another customer for life.....

 

[Red]

Ah a face only his mother could love......gotta love the sculpt though.

Thanks for all the pics so far guys.

 

[The Ringer]

I still think everything turned out immaculate on this guy. The red is a drawback but the sculpt and the armor on this guy looks so good. I am also really loving that base and he will look great next to Frodo.

 

[The Tuggernaut]

Yeah, awesome sculpt... butt ugly creature though.


Am I the only one who saw Orc brute's comment before?
He just deleted it.

 

[ProgMatinee]

Maybe all they make in China is RED.

 

[Polylord]

Today, I watched the video of the Moria Orc PF from the SDCC booth (link found on the site of SS), and decided to quote the guy who presents all those vids (don't know his name, sorry. ):

"[...] And then, underneath the armor, there's all this broken-up and decayed leather, that's all just weather-beaten and it's all stitched up too, so it really gives you that really cool, like under the ground kinda "I just made this thing out of hides that I found laying around"-feel to it. [...]"

And that's exactly what's not the case with the PF that eventually got shipped, and that's why people (including myself) are (entitled to be) upset. The cloth looks like it's fresh from Mines of Moria Clothing Inc.

I still think I'm gonna keep mine and for the very first time since I started collecting, I will consider weathering the leather or whatever it is myself. The sculpt is so amazing that I really don't want to let this one go. We'll see how things turn out eventually.

 

[bzie]

I'm glad this was an easy pass for me, $$$ saved.

 

[The Chaver]

Yes, opinions are welcome. I just hate to see a mob mentality develop that may make an unfortunate situation worse.

"Mob mentality"...on a message board...you mod's crack me up!

 

[choopie]

I discovered a long time ago that what we see with in-hand collector photos is pretty accurate to the final piece. What I'm seeing here is what we are going to get. And for those folks who already have it in hand and indicate that the cloth is more red than it should be, well, I'm not going to call them liars...despite what Sideshow might say.

I don't desire to play these games where I have to order something and get it in-hand to see whether or not it's acceptable. What's the point of the photos if that were the case? I will not be buying this piece, but I did contact Sideshow to express my disappointment, and I indicated to them that I will not be pre-ordering any more items until these issues are addressed. This is not the first time this has happened, and what is disappointing to me is that Sideshow continues to let it happen.

 

[ProgMatinee]

Some SSC products have issues, but I don't think its something that you can say "until they fix...". Is it a systemic problem? As far as I am concerned, each product has its own seperate issues and its at each individual product that I make a decision on.

I do agree though, not preordering is a safe way to go, just pick up the items you like after they release. I'm pretty much moving in that direction myself, except I'm doing it because I know I can save 25%+ by getting stuff 6 months later.

 

[occulum]

Some SSC products have issues, but I don't think its something that you can say "until they fix...". Is it a systemic problem? As far as I am concerned, each product has its own seperate issues and its at each individual product that I make a decision on.

I pretty much agree....
.. I also dont think SS does any of this intentionally. Its just SS trying to keep their factory in line. The factory is the one in the wrong on the material switch and Im sure eerytime this happens its a huge problem to figure out how to right it.
Im guessing SS doesnt really have many (if any) other options for the factory work. THats why you see pics of the same factory working on multiple companies' statues.

Which there-in lies the problem.
How do you punish the factory for ^^^^ing it up, when theyre the only option you really have to produce the piece at the margin you need to profit? And they know it.
You cant pull work from them if there are no other factories to move the work to.
You cant punish the employees/fire anybody cause its not your company to do so.

Anybody who thinks SS is trying to pull a fast one over on the collectors is just being stupid IMO. The last thing they need is this ^^^^ happening.

 

[Degeneration-X]

This may be a cheeky comment but I used to resent getting my statues, figures etc a month later after everyone in America got theirs.
I now look at it very differently. Seeing everyones in hand pics really does allow me to make a final decision on whether to go ahead and keep an order.

Im very passionate about LOTR and really wanted this figure to look like the prototype. The way it was changed has upset me to the extent that I no longer like it and have cancelled. This isnt the first time. IMO the aragorn PF figure looked disimilar to the original prototype and i cancelled that too.

Just to show where the in hand pics really do make a positive difference - A month ago i was going to cancel the Indiana Jones PF based on cost and i really thought there was no way it would look like the prototype. However for me, the in hand pictures have far exceeded my expectations and now I am choosing to keep it over the Moria Orc.

So far I only have Lurtz - I just really hope the Berzerker looks right otherwise he is going to be lonely for a long time to come

 

[Agent23]

I canceled my order. I don't like the final product. Plain and simple. And, I'm not spending $300 on something I don't like.

Simple as that.

 

[quadcent]

and it keeps going and going and going

 

[Darth Loki]

I'm keeping my order

 

[icruise]

and it keeps going and going and going

If you don't want a thread to keep going, repeatedly posting to it is generally not the way to go. But considering only a handful of people have gotten this piece so far, I don't think this is "beating a dead horse" territory just yet.

 

[DannieDarKo]

122 PAGES AND I'M KEEPING MY ORDER!!!!!

Got a notice that my CC is being charged today. Now time to make some room for my XMAS VARIANT MORIA ORC!