Cassell, and he wasn't the 3rd string. I don't think they even carry a #3 QB on their roster. And he sucks.
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Cassell, and he wasn't the 3rd string. I don't think they even carry a #3 QB on their roster. And he sucks.
Grenouille
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It's amazing how much he's regressed in KC.
I like how 2008 is still pointed at as some black mark against Brady. Cassel basically had the 2007 offense which had put up historic numbers the year before and the last decent Patriot defense. I can only ponder what that team could have done if Bernard Pollard hadn't knocked Brady's knee week 1.
Actually he was #3 In preseason but never was #3 in the regular season.
DinoDB1975
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Oops, my mistake. I thought it was 10-6 or 11-5, but couldn't remember off the top of my head.
Bill Polian himself has said it's been hard to get quality back ups to come to Indy. They've had to resort to drafting, which we all know is hit or miss. Polian didn't name any names, but said that one free agent QB they brought in stated that the only reason he'd sign with the Colts was for a paycheck. This QB knew he would be sitting behing Manning, and would not be able to showcase his skills as a potential starting QB elsewhere, and didn't sign.
Regarding the Giants and Phil Simms, that's a different argument. Different era with free agency not yet becoming the behemoth it has become. Teams were able to stockpile talent and could afford to keep QBs for years and allow them to learn the offense. Giants had Simms and Hostetler, 49ers had Montana, Young, and even Steve Bono, who was KC's starter for a while. Regarding Bledsoe, he's always been a favorite of mine, but the die was cast before Mo Lewis' hit on him that "opened" the door to Brady. Check out a recent article by Peter King for the specifics.
And some have said that Cassel's year with the Pats in '08 was because of the Pat's system.
Agreed, but I think if Colts do get the first pick, they shouldn't pass on Luck, even IF another team offers a king's ransom for him. I don't know how Manning would take it, but I doubt he'd act like Favre did to Aaron Rodgers.
One thing about the Colts, though, is that Manning became their de-facto offensive coordinator way on back, and it was an offense where he called audibles at the line probably 30-40% of the time. As such, I think the offensive coaching staff never really had to do their jobs and learn how to coach a QB that wasn't essentially running the show himself.
But having said that, I agree. Manning is the MVP of the regular season, the single most important player to his team of any team out there. That doesn't mean he's the best player, but the team is just completely set up to work around him. Their defense is made to deal with teams playing catch-up and tossing the ball around, trying to score 50 points (hence a focus on the pass rush of Freeney and Mathis), and the offense and coaching staff just don't know how to function without Manning there guiding the ship.
But having said that, I agree. Manning is the MVP of the regular season, the single most important player to his team of any team out there. That doesn't mean he's the best player, but the team is just completely set up to work around him. Their defense is made to deal with teams playing catch-up and tossing the ball around, trying to score 50 points (hence a focus on the pass rush of Freeney and Mathis), and the offense and coaching staff just don't know how to function without Manning there guiding the ship.
No, he was #3. I watched an interview with Batch about missing that opportunity by not making that game where Ben went in for Maddox. Whisenhunt not getting the coaching gig after Cowher left was a lot to do with his not wanting Ben as the starting QB. He wanted Maddox, and even Alan Faneca spoke out against Ben starting after Maddox was cleared to play again. Whisenhunt was even said to have told Ben "its my offense, don't screw it up". All-in-all, Ben was the #3 even after that Baltimore game, but Cowher liked what he saw and stuck it out with him, and the Rooneys like the fanfare he brought to the organization.
Caldwell is just trying to ride out Dungy's creation, which wasn't a bad thing until Manning went out. Dungy built that D to be small and fast for exactly what you specified, plus he'd said he also built it to help against their biggest threat at the time, the Pats. He knew they couldn't stop them from putting points and yards up, it was basically the same philosphiphy the '98 Vikings told their D "just make the games manageable". He wanted that D to be able to react and make plays, not create a bruiser to prevent them. Now Caldwell is seeing that first hand, that D wasn't built to play a drag out one score game, and Wayne and Clark are finding out the other end of the QB spectrum.
Fair point, but the Colts demise also rests on the coaching staff. Why would you not give your back up QB practice with the 1st team? Manning himself is even human, as we now know for a fact. Any QB can go down any offensive snap of any game they take. If the back up isn't up to speed, then there's no one to blame but the coaches. Every kid drafted got drafted because they have talent and at least proved something at camp. Teams aren't just throwing random civilians in there to fill a spot.
And the Pats philosophy of only carrying 2 QBs on their roster can come back to seriously bite them. I think that has a lot to do with Beli-cheat thinking he's some football god or something. What about the Browns, Bill? What about the Browns?
Darth Cruel
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Ya know...I hope Hank Williams Jr. goes over to Sunday Night Football, now. I always liked that show better and I have always wanted to see him there. And now is the perfect opportunity.
https://www.steelers.com/team/roster/Charlie-Batch/a4741ee1-4d87-4810-aa6d-7ede57104771
Really says he spend all of 2004 on IR
https://www.steelers.com/team/roster/Charlie-Batch/a4741ee1-4d87-4810-aa6d-7ede57104771
Really says he spend all of 2004 on IR
https://pittsburgh.about.com/od/steelers/p/roethlisberger.htm
Read this and you'll see where I'm getting that.
Grenouille
Super Freak
It's a recent philosophy since in all the time he's coached in NE he's carried only 2 QBs in '09 and '10.
What do the Browns have to do with anything?
I said he was never number 2 in regular season you said something about batch missing the game like he just randomly missed the game even though he was on the IR.
I have no idea what the last link says besides he was originally going to be behind two veteran players.
. I never said anything different but to say he was a number 3 QB is only true for the preseason.
ProgMatinee
circlesendwheretheybegin
How often do teams need to go to their 3rd QB within 1 game. Its a wasted spot. Better to have an extra RB or LB. If they lose both QB s they can call 1 up for the next week.
RIP to a great revolutionary, an owner, GM, commish... he did it all. Without AL, the NFL isnt where it is today. Without Al, the Silver & Black wouldve never had the tradition and historic value it has to the league.
No one man was synonymous with his club, than Davis.
Darth Madden
You Are A Tooooooy!!!
Yep, he's probably on par if not more important than Pete Roselle to the start and growth of the league.
SixMillionDollarMan Guy
Super Freak
I just heard this. A true maverick, innovater and visionary.
Absolutely agreed!
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