DinoDB1975
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I agree. Just think in-season firings are a bit hasty.
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ashkanls
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The KC firing isn't that fair considering Charles and Cassel were done quick.
Haley being done at the end of the season was a major topic of discussion well before Cassel went on IR.
Some teams find success with in-season firings, but it is such a rarity that I myself am surprised when it happens. Some punch their own tickets, like Childress with the Randy Moss issue last season, and some are issues between said coaches and management (like Jimmy Johnson when Jerry Jones fired him, for instance). But for the majority, I figure it might have something to do with the wording of those coaches contracts. Ya know, axe 'em before they have enough games under their belt to get a contractual bonus. But the teams that do that are usually the ones that don't have much success, anyway.
Some teams find success with in-season firings, but it is such a rarity that I myself am surprised when it happens. Some punch their own tickets, like Childress with the Randy Moss issue last season, and some are issues between said coaches and management (like Jimmy Johnson when Jerry Jones fired him, for instance). But for the majority, I figure it might have something to do with the wording of those coaches contracts. Ya know, axe 'em before they have enough games under their belt to get a contractual bonus. But the teams that do that are usually the ones that don't have much success, anyway.
I honestly think the only reason both these guys were fired now is because it's going to be a race to both Cowher and Fisher.
ProgMatinee
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I typically agree with in season firings. Why wait around with a lame duck coach for 3 or 4 weeks? They aren't going to truly have the team's interests in mind anyway. You may want to see how the rest of the current staff reacts. Who steps up, who doesn't. How does the interim coach do, would he be a candidate for the job? A lot of questions can be answered in those few weeks.
Cowher has already made statements that he doesn't want to be any part of a rebuild team. I think he knows going to a well under .500 team and trying to rebuild them would only work to tarnish his reputation he built at Pittsburgh. With Fisher, it surprised me he wasn't on the sidelines with a team this season.
SixMillionDollarMan Guy
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James Harrison suspended 1 game.
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/...banned-1-game-hit-cleveland-browns-colt-mccoy
https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/...banned-1-game-hit-cleveland-browns-colt-mccoy
Darth Cruel
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Too bad. I hear next season they will be changing the uniforms of evey team except the Steelers and Ravens to short skirts and pom-poms in an effort to get more sympathy from the Steelers' defense.
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DinoDB1975
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Reagrding Cowher and Fisher, there was some supposition (how valid, I don't know, but still interesting to fathom) that the their fates are heavily tied to the participants in last Sunday's NFC East showdown.
Since the Giants' Superbowl victory, the Giants under Coughlin have been maddeningly inconsistent, and some have surmised that Cowher could replace Coughlin next season if the Giants do not make a late season run to the playoffs.
It's well known that Jerry Jones is an admirer of Jeff Fisher, and he may not have elevated Jason Garrett to the permanent head coach position had Fisher been available at the time (I believe Fisher was fired after Jones had already selected Garrett).
Since the Giants' Superbowl victory, the Giants under Coughlin have been maddeningly inconsistent, and some have surmised that Cowher could replace Coughlin next season if the Giants do not make a late season run to the playoffs.
It's well known that Jerry Jones is an admirer of Jeff Fisher, and he may not have elevated Jason Garrett to the permanent head coach position had Fisher been available at the time (I believe Fisher was fired after Jones had already selected Garrett).
I don't agree with Harrison's suspension, but knew the League offices would jump on the chance to do it. Here's my problem with it- 1) at what point does the past become the past. They blew this up like it was the numerous time this season it had happened, and were comparing last years hits right along side this one. He's played over a full season worth of games with nothing. He was heavily fined for last years, and taking those into consideration is like multiple discipline for the same occurrences. 2) where is the written disciplinary procedures for what the League is allowed to do to these guys? There's nothing. Just something to the extent that suspension is possible for multiple infractions. That's not very cut and dry, and leaves too much grey area. And who hears appeals? The same group handing down the discipline. What happens when the appeals is denied? That's it? You can't tell me the group that feels you should be suspended is the one that can say appeal denied and it ends there.
I honestly feel Harrison, Suh and other heavily fined players should file a lawsuit against the League's disciplinary committee in these circumstances for unfair treatment. The stuff they do (minus Suh's blatant foot stomp) goes on around the League every Sunday, just certain people feel certain players warrant more attention and more severe punishment than others.
I honestly feel Harrison, Suh and other heavily fined players should file a lawsuit against the League's disciplinary committee in these circumstances for unfair treatment. The stuff they do (minus Suh's blatant foot stomp) goes on around the League every Sunday, just certain people feel certain players warrant more attention and more severe punishment than others.
1. The 2011 League Policies for Players manual states: "Players who were fined for violations in 2009 or 2010, and whose fines were either partially or fully upheld, will be considered second and/or repeat offenders under this policy.
2. What you want a rule something like 2 fines = suspension?
Seems pretty cut and dry to me.
People seem to warrant more attention because they keep doing it.
Harrison pretty much guaranteed a suspension yesterday when he said he didn't think it warranted any fine or suspension. He proved that he still really just doesn't get it and also one again proved he is not working with a full deck upstairs.
I would love to see them try and sue the league that would be pretty funny.
Seriously does anyone cry more about this stuff then you?
2. What you want a rule something like 2 fines = suspension?
Seems pretty cut and dry to me.
People seem to warrant more attention because they keep doing it.
Harrison pretty much guaranteed a suspension yesterday when he said he didn't think it warranted any fine or suspension. He proved that he still really just doesn't get it and also one again proved he is not working with a full deck upstairs.
I would love to see them try and sue the league that would be pretty funny.
Seriously does anyone cry more about this stuff then you?
Grenouille
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Why wouldn't his past indiscretions be taken into account? The entire point of the fines were to deter him from continuing to do what he was doing. It doesn't matter that he had a string of games where he didn't break the rules. In this case another fine probably would have sufficed, but obviously Goodell felt a stronger punishment was needed.
What would be their basis for a lawsuit? On what possible ground would they be standing on based on how they broke rules and were punished? Obviously they warrant more attention because they are more apt to play outside the parameters of the rulebook.
What would be their basis for a lawsuit? On what possible ground would they be standing on based on how they broke rules and were punished? Obviously they warrant more attention because they are more apt to play outside the parameters of the rulebook.
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Past practices. Showing game footage from other games around the League of similar hits not being called or warranting suspensions. People on here or other forums demanding his suspension was ridiculous because the flag shouldn't have happened. I'll take the likes of former players saying that hit does not deserve the attention it got over fans saying it. And why wouldn't he say it didn't warrant a fine or suspension, when as soon as it happened that was brought up? Yeah, seeing the League's past actions against him I'd have been concerned, too. And looking at hits from 2 years ago is a little extreme. Players are going to have hits and plays that look like they're bad when slowed down and criticized to death every week. It's tackle football with large men playing it, not peewee league flag football. If a guy can bench press a truck then he's going to eventually hurt someone.
Some of these hits guys are being fined for are split down the middle between groups of people as to whether they're "illegal" or not. The thing that doesn't seem to be taken into consideration is was it malicious. No, it wasn't. Why pick this game, and this QB? McCoy was a star in college, and I think is a class act, but let's face it, he's the QB of the Browns. Ineffective QB on an ineffective team. Kinda silly, really.
ProgMatinee
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Why shouldn't the flag have happened? He hit the player in the head with his own helmet. That penalty probably would have been called if it was on a receiver or a running back. Helmet to helmet is always a penalty.
He's had a history of doing it multiple times, and at this point, the NFL will no longer give him any benefit of the doubt. If it happens, even if accidental, they're gonna slam him with something. Same thing with Suh, probably. Doesn't matter if other players disagree, doesn't matter if fans disagree, this is the league's new perspective in an age of concussions.
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ProgMatinee
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good point. I do think some NFL players probably resent that the richer players are more coddled than they were, but that would be a disengenuous argument if they sided on less safeguards.What bothers me is Harrison is one of those pussies that wears the eye guard to protect his own face whilst using his helmet as a weapon.
Its like Deacon Jones putting on those elbow and arm pads to protect his own arm for when he hits someone in the head with it.
Everyone of these kids going in knows the risks involved in this game. A lot of those old players were forced to play when they shouldn't have been, that's why the League has a concussion policy now. To say a helmet-to-helmet IS a penalty and WILL be flagged every time, then I can only assume you don't watch the game. Yes, it SHOULD be flagged every time, but easily 1/4 are missed, and some right in front of the officials.
Now as far as the Harrison suspension, he was suspended for his 5th illegal hit on a QB since the 2009 season. Why aren't steps being taken to protect other players to the extent QBs are? Defenseless receiver is about it, but it's ok for the other 21 positions on the field to suffer life altering injuries? Kinda getting mixed signals here.
Now as far as the Harrison suspension, he was suspended for his 5th illegal hit on a QB since the 2009 season. Why aren't steps being taken to protect other players to the extent QBs are? Defenseless receiver is about it, but it's ok for the other 21 positions on the field to suffer life altering injuries? Kinda getting mixed signals here.
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