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BadMoon
Demi G0D Overseer
That is all nonesense in my opinion. First if you don't think Elway (The Broncos) will be in search of a quarterback there is something wrong.
Second he is NOT the best prospect at quarterback. If you look at the first 4 games that Orton played and the last 4 games that Tebow played the results speak for themselves. Orton's numbers were superior in every way. And Orton is mediocre at best. So if he Orton is mediocre, one can only come to the conclusion that Tebow is sub par.
I don't think Orton is bad as what a lot of people think he is. He wasn't a problem in Chicago but they treated him like he was, because they didn't want to admit at the time that Grossman was. Orton led them to the play offs as a rookie in '05 when Grossman was hurt, but Grossman got the play off start and completely blew it. He looked decent with the Broncos at the beginning of '09 until that total team meltdown made them miss the play offs after starting 6-0. But since he was the QB he took a lot of that heat and blame, and I don't think that team or fan base ever got over it. Plain and simple, those guys didn't want to play for him and the fans blamed him for the team's poor play. They just felt a sense of rejuvenation with Tebow, but I honestly think Orton is a much better QB than him.
But I still like Tebow.
But I still like Tebow.
Darth Madden
You Are A Tooooooy!!!
The analysts are already calling the Packers " One and Done ", that's harsh considering they're still praising Brees for his performance in the loss yesterday (and well deserved) but how about some respect for the Pack, I guess they lost it with their performance today.
Its the same as them calling every SB champ the next dynasty. They have to talk abut somehting.
ProgMatinee
circlesendwheretheybegin
Orton sucks. He has no winning qualities. Period. He's never won in the NFL.
Tebow struggles because he's still pretty much a rookie. Most rookies have terrible games now and then.
With a minicamp where Tebow can learn from the coaching staff and the Broncos coaching staff can learn what they can and can't do with Tebow I think they can get better.
If you were to replace Tebow with Kyle Orton or the equivelant player you would see the Broncos back at 3-13 or 4-12. They don't have the talent at all the positions to win consistently. What they did win in 2011 was largely due to the Tebow style of play, but also the excitement and mojo or spirit of Tebow and the inspiration it had on other players.
In the end his style of play and inflated spirit also burned them against NE, but that's the nature of the league. Live by the sword die by it.
Anyone that thinks the Broncos can just find some mediocre QB like Orton and stick him on the Broncos and they will be great is a fool. Look at their RBs, their WRs, their TEs, their O-line and tell me that an average QB could win with them. It had to be someone who could get a lot of the yardage or TDs on his own like Tebow.
Then look at the defense. Short of Bailey, Miller and Dumerville the rest of that D sucks. This team had no business being 8-8. And by the power of Tebow
lol) it happened.
Tebow struggles because he's still pretty much a rookie. Most rookies have terrible games now and then.
With a minicamp where Tebow can learn from the coaching staff and the Broncos coaching staff can learn what they can and can't do with Tebow I think they can get better.
If you were to replace Tebow with Kyle Orton or the equivelant player you would see the Broncos back at 3-13 or 4-12. They don't have the talent at all the positions to win consistently. What they did win in 2011 was largely due to the Tebow style of play, but also the excitement and mojo or spirit of Tebow and the inspiration it had on other players.
In the end his style of play and inflated spirit also burned them against NE, but that's the nature of the league. Live by the sword die by it.
Anyone that thinks the Broncos can just find some mediocre QB like Orton and stick him on the Broncos and they will be great is a fool. Look at their RBs, their WRs, their TEs, their O-line and tell me that an average QB could win with them. It had to be someone who could get a lot of the yardage or TDs on his own like Tebow.
Then look at the defense. Short of Bailey, Miller and Dumerville the rest of that D sucks. This team had no business being 8-8. And by the power of Tebow
lol) it happened.
FLOSI
Nerf Herder
So.....
Forty Niners
Patriots
Forty Niners
Patriots
From what I heard, Elway didn't say Tebow will be the starter next year. Just that he'll be the presumptive starter going into training camp. Big difference.
I gotta go Superbowl rematch:
Giants/Patriots
And I pick the Patriots to win it all this time. I think Brady's got a huge chip on his shoulder and is gonna will his team to another championship.
To make that statement even better he is the only QB under contract at this point as Quinn is a free agent.
ProgMatinee
circlesendwheretheybegin
Yeah, despite the way the national media seems to be spinning the headlines, the Broncos didn't exactly give a ringing endorsement of Tebow. Sure he's ranked as the number 1 starter going in, but thats mostly because they don't have anyone else under contract! 
Personally, I think they should go 100% in with Tebow and stay away from QBs in the draft for 1 more year. There are plenty of holes around here to fill. What they can do is sign or trade for a veteran backup like to a 2 year contract. If the Tebow experiment fails in 2012 you draft a QB with your first pick, cut ties with Tebow and the rookie comes in 2013 slotted behind the short term veteran.
Tebow is a gamble. If you roll with Tebow you either set the team back 2 years or you win and have your QB long term. Based on a playoff appearance I say you take the gamble.
If you don't and you draft a QB now, you set the team back anyway. Going into this season if you asked anyone if they would be happy with a 9-9 season including playoffs they would think it was a huge success.
Personally, I think they should go 100% in with Tebow and stay away from QBs in the draft for 1 more year. There are plenty of holes around here to fill. What they can do is sign or trade for a veteran backup like to a 2 year contract. If the Tebow experiment fails in 2012 you draft a QB with your first pick, cut ties with Tebow and the rookie comes in 2013 slotted behind the short term veteran.
Tebow is a gamble. If you roll with Tebow you either set the team back 2 years or you win and have your QB long term. Based on a playoff appearance I say you take the gamble.
If you don't and you draft a QB now, you set the team back anyway. Going into this season if you asked anyone if they would be happy with a 9-9 season including playoffs they would think it was a huge success.
Ditto. Giants can win but I don't think they do this weekend. 49ers are too strong on D to let Eli get much done.
BadMoon
Demi G0D Overseer
But Tebow IS less than medicore. Replacing him with a mediocre QB would be a plus.
Seriously when you can only complete 5 to 9 passes a game that is not going to cut it.
BadMoon
Demi G0D Overseer
I hope the Niners pull it off.
As for the Patriots? Here is an interesting statistic. They have yet to beat a team with a regular season record over .500.
I'm not sold that they can beat the Ravens.
FLOSI
Nerf Herder
Interesting.... It won't be easy for any of the four teams, that's for sure.
It's supposed to start raining here in the bay area tomorrow and through the weekend. I'm not sure who that will or won't help but the Giants and 49ers will be beating the crap out of each other on a soft, muddy field at Candlestick ... As some of you might know the field itself is below sea level there at Candlestick point, which means it tends to be soft and mushy during the rainy season... It's going to be old school football this Sunday.
It's supposed to start raining here in the bay area tomorrow and through the weekend. I'm not sure who that will or won't help but the Giants and 49ers will be beating the crap out of each other on a soft, muddy field at Candlestick ... As some of you might know the field itself is below sea level there at Candlestick point, which means it tends to be soft and mushy during the rainy season... It's going to be old school football this Sunday.
BadMoon
Demi G0D Overseer
I think both of these games are going to be awesome. It's amazing how close the league was this year. It really makes for great games.
I think Denver's season was a bit of a fluke, and I wouldn't hang my hat on the hopes that Tebow's gonna give you another .500 season as Prog seems to be hoping for. But if their defense really is that bad, then I can't argue too strongly against going after defenders in the draft. Looks like their team needs help all the way around. Can a team win with a mediocre QB, strong running game, and OK defense in this league? I don't know about that. Worst QBs left seem to be Flacco and Smith, and Tebow has a long way to go before being as good as either of those guys, and Denver's probably got a long ways to go before becoming that kind of defense. You get a good QB and you can potentially overcome all other deficiencies. . .despite the outcomes of last week's games. Recall that the Saints game could have gone either way, and the Saints have no defense to speak of and turned the ball over 5 times.
Grenouille
Super Freak
And only 6 out of the 13 wins had a losing record going into their game with the Pats. It's a cute stat that really doesn't mean much. If they had beaten the Giants they would have finished 8-8 and your Eagles would have won the NFC East.
I do love how the pundits on the various networks keep pointing to the '09 playoff game as the reason Baltimore will win. Yet, they seem to forget the Pats beat the Ravens just last season.
BadMoon
Demi G0D Overseer
And only 6 out of the 13 wins had a losing record going into their game with the Pats. It's a cute stat that really doesn't mean much. If they had beaten the Giants they would have finished 8-8 and your Eagles would have won the NFC East.
I do love how the pundits on the various networks keep pointing to the '09 playoff game as the reason Baltimore will win. Yet, they seem to forget the Pats beat the Ravens just last season.
I can certainly understand your optimism (considering you're a Pats fan). However, stats are stats. This is no gimmie for the Patriots. There is one formula that works against them. That is to rattle Brady and then keep him off the field. The Ravens have the defense that can do this and a run game that can keep Brady on the bench.
Lest no one forget the Packers fans all had the similar attitude going into the Giants game. Look what happened there. The Kings of the NFL got simply embrassed.
That said I don't think Brady lets his team get as complacent as I feel the Packers were going into their game.
Giants are a weird team, though. They played the Saints earlier this year, too--a team very similar to the Pats that could potentially be beaten in the same way the Pats could be--and the Saints humiliated them. This was after the Pats game. It just depends on which Giants team shows up, and when they are good, they are as good as anybody. And the Giants have shown that they can get it done come playoff time.
ProgMatinee
circlesendwheretheybegin
But Tebow IS less than medicore. Replacing him with a mediocre QB would be a plus.
Seriously when you can only complete 5 to 9 passes a game that is not going to cut it.
He's mediocre in passing, but not in atheleticism and competitiveness and creativity and toughness.
You take the total package of what Tebow has and he's already better than Orton and frankly better than that turd Jay Cutler.
If you told me the Broncos next QB they drafted would be in the same class as Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Rodgers, etc then OF COURSE I'd say drop Tebow.
But you can't guarantee that. If you told me they'd draft a guy as mediocre in total package as Orton, I'd say "why bother?" There's no point in fiddling around with mediocrity. With Tebow I can at least say that he's got all of the intangibles needed for greatness, just need to improve a few aspects of his passing game and he'd be set.
How do you take losers who happen to have good arms like Kyle Orton and Jay Cutler and turn them into greatness? You can't.
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