Grenouille
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It's a nice caveat to say with the greatest receiver of all time.
How would he do with Reche Caldwell, Jabar Gaffney, Troy Brown, Ben Watson, and Daniel Graham?
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It's a nice caveat to say with the greatest receiver of all time.
How would he do with Reche Caldwell, Jabar Gaffney, Troy Brown, Ben Watson, and Daniel Graham?
Darth Madden
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It's a nice caveat to say with the greatest receiver of all time.
How would he do with Reche Caldwell, Jabar Gaffney, Troy Brown, Ben Watson, and Daniel Graham?
Still pretty darn good. Just out of curiosity why do Pats fans always talk about the rest of their team like they are the little sisters of the poor and act like they would lose every game without Brady? They did got 11-5 without him one season. Brady doesn't get to let alone win a SB without a very good team behind him.
EXOTICLEX
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And the Colts went 2-14 without Peyton.
Grenouille
Super Freak
Yes, they went 11-5 without him. Of course that team was basically the same team that had fallen 35 seconds away from perfection. It was pretty well situated on both sides of the ball.
The defense locally was always given their due. National media never really latched onto them. It's funny now that some of them have gone on to be part of the media like McGinest, Harrison, and Bruschi.
Montana doesn't get to let alone win a SB without a very good team behind him either. People really look at Montana through rose colored glasses these days. This isn't to say he isn't one of the greatest of all time, but it ignores that he had plenty of bumps in the road. The NFL Films of the Super Bowl wins are great, but along the way there were things like 49-3 playoff loses too.
Darth Madden
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I agree Montana had to have a good team as well because if not he would be Dan Marino. But its just funny to me that Pats fans seem to feel the need to dismiss the rest of their team in order to raise Bradys greatness even more. Accept the fact that you had / have a very good TEAM and be happy with it. 
It's the name and time and the fact that you are a Niners fan. Time will weed that out. Best QB to ever grace the NFL is Brady. I don't even like him to be honest.
Time may well weed him out but IMO it hasn't yet. I'm partial to Montana but actually that has little to do with it. His regular season numbers would be even better if he hadn't lost two seasons to injury, and his playoff numbers are in many areas better than Brady's. Not to mention he went 4-0 in super bowl play with 11 TD and 0 Int. Brady is a fantastic QB but I would disagree about his status as GOAT just yet. Obviously you feel differently and as they say opinions are like belly buttons everybody has one.
That's not the saying, Josh 
From the stand point of Montana in college, many thought him to be an easy pass because of his build and play, but he was sought after by Bill Walsh. He didn't emerge from out of nowhere. Brady was a sixth tound pick who was just there, and had the Pats not taken him maybe no one would have and we'd never even know who the guy was. He was able to work his way up to #2 and when his time came, he made the most of it.
In his early seasons, I think it was more the D than people give them credit for. However, Brady was able to make the team around him better down the stretch, and good thing, because now its all him. Brady goes down week 1 again, they finish at .500 or less. They do not have a team anywhere near the caliber of that '07-'08 roster.
This crap with Manning going down and the Colts finish 2-14 is the coach's and GM's fault for drafting to suit Manning's needs and not the teams, and never practicing as if he was out. Poor Curtis Painter never stood a chance. Good move by the Colts axing Polian and Caldwell, and hopefully their heirs learn from their critical errors.
From the stand point of Montana in college, many thought him to be an easy pass because of his build and play, but he was sought after by Bill Walsh. He didn't emerge from out of nowhere. Brady was a sixth tound pick who was just there, and had the Pats not taken him maybe no one would have and we'd never even know who the guy was. He was able to work his way up to #2 and when his time came, he made the most of it.
In his early seasons, I think it was more the D than people give them credit for. However, Brady was able to make the team around him better down the stretch, and good thing, because now its all him. Brady goes down week 1 again, they finish at .500 or less. They do not have a team anywhere near the caliber of that '07-'08 roster.
This crap with Manning going down and the Colts finish 2-14 is the coach's and GM's fault for drafting to suit Manning's needs and not the teams, and never practicing as if he was out. Poor Curtis Painter never stood a chance. Good move by the Colts axing Polian and Caldwell, and hopefully their heirs learn from their critical errors.
Well, the Ravens are saying the Patriot's scoreboard erred at the end of the game and rushed Cundiff's kick, and that's why he missed I guess.
Jim Harbaugh is saying the no-fumble call when Bradshaw's forward progress was whistled dead is like the tuck-rule.
With the Niners, I kind of understand their emotions and can see them being upset, especially with such high hopes after so many bad seasons. However, like I've stated earlier, yes I'm a Ravens hater. It comes natural with Steelers fans, but I do follow them about as closely as I follow the Steelers. The whole "know thy enemy" thing. This is common with them since John Harbaugh went there. They are quick to point out how they got screwed In close losses.
Anyway, the accusation has been made, so let the speculation begin about how the Pats cheated their way to another SB. Now it'll be the NFL against the Ravens next season.
Jim Harbaugh is saying the no-fumble call when Bradshaw's forward progress was whistled dead is like the tuck-rule.
With the Niners, I kind of understand their emotions and can see them being upset, especially with such high hopes after so many bad seasons. However, like I've stated earlier, yes I'm a Ravens hater. It comes natural with Steelers fans, but I do follow them about as closely as I follow the Steelers. The whole "know thy enemy" thing. This is common with them since John Harbaugh went there. They are quick to point out how they got screwed In close losses.
Anyway, the accusation has been made, so let the speculation begin about how the Pats cheated their way to another SB. Now it'll be the NFL against the Ravens next season.
I think Brady and Montana are both way up on the list of great all time QBs. If Brady wins another championship, then I think they are neck and neck, for sure.
Seriously? Tuck rule was an obscure rule that is hardly ever called (may have not been called since that time it was used against Brady). The forward progress call happens in every game, all the time. We just don't see many fumbles after the play is blown dead for that purpose, and when it is, it is usually when a guy is already on the ground. But the spirit of the forward progress rule was interpreted as it is all the time--whistle blows, play is dead. I think Harbaugh needs to give up the excuses and just accept that the better team won that day.
Grenouille
Super Freak
Actually the tuck rule had been called 3 times during the 2001 season including in the Jets-Pats game earlier that year. The Raiders that cry fumble like to ignore the fact that the slap to the head that Woodson gives Brady is a penalty that went uncalled.
Blaming the Tuck also diminishes that fact that Adam Vinatieri made a pretty damn good kick in a driving snow storm and that Raiders did nothing in OT to stop the Pats offense driving down for the game winner.
The missed fumble and a few other calls went against us the other day. Put that with what we did to ourselves and you get a loss. I have no problem with Harbaugh saying that but now it's time to move on.
Hard to win big time playoff games without converting 3rd downs.
BadMoon
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Read an article on ESPN that Williams is having to deal with fan threats. Maybe if he would have just come out and said I ____ed up that wouldn't be going on? Either way it's stupid.
. . .and perhaps most importantly, damn good defense on the other side. Giants were just the better team that day. They did what they had to to get the job done. 49ers languished at the end of the 4th and in overtime, despite having their chances. Giants stepped up, made the big play when the opportunity came up, and got it done.
Then why aren't they threatening the one that smacked into his own player two separate times to jar easy interceptions loose? Or the offense for not converting 3rd downs? Or the coaching staff for predictable play calls? That loss can't be completely attributed to Williams fumbling. Just like the Ravens loss can't be solely blamed on Cundiff missing that FG. Heck, the offense wasn't even moving the ball in that OT period, anyway.
Some "fans" are so one-sided and idiotic when it comes to a total team loss. Fact of the matter is, as good or bad as any of those teams played, it just came down to the Patriots and Giants being better teams that day. As much as I myself even might like to _____ about officiating, or dirty plays, it's just the other team was better that day.
Another example of fan idiocy, look at how many Giants fans cried out for Eli to be benched during some games, and wanted Coughlin fired at the end of the season. Now they're singing their praise like they had their backs all season and knew they'd get to the Super Bowl.
Not to mention how almost one-dimensional the Niner's offense was. The game was very evenly matched, with the exception Eli has had much more consistency and much more depth on his side. Give Alex Smith a few seasons with what he has now, let him get more comfortable with play execution and calling, and I can see those guys making the Super Bowl. Smith is a little older than most QBs with his seniority (he was drafted at what, the age of 25?) but he does have a fairly young supporting cast on both sides of the ball. This season could be the start of something great for the Niners. The only problem I really see them having at this point is Vernon Davis' discipline. He has like zero impulse control.
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