NFL Thread

[bumblebee]

Really have you seen your QB play?

Yes I have. Worried about the secondary but not the QB. Romo is solid, D fell apart last season, that looks corrected but it's early.

 

[sprig0701]

So the 2 pick-sixes he threw against the Lions at home were the defenses fault? Romo has severe issues come December/January, and he's been pretty fragile over his tenure at Dallas.

 

[bumblebee]

So the 2 pick-sixes he threw against the Lions at home were the defenses fault? Romo has severe issues come December/January, and he's been pretty fragile over his tenure at Dallas.

Hi troll.

 

[mfoga]

So the 2 pick-sixes he threw against the Lions at home were the defenses fault? Romo has severe issues come December/January, and he's been pretty fragile over his tenure at Dallas.

Exactly he always has a number of the what in the world was the thinking plays.

 

[sprig0701]

Exactly he always has a number of the what in the world was the thinking plays.

He's good to start the season usually, then gradually falls apart and is terrible come the play off push. Last night he looked OK. Some good heads up plays, but the Giants didn't play great either.

That Ogletree had a pretty good game, though. Definitely player of the game.

 

[DinoDB1975]

Here are the starting QBs in the NFL this year:

Buffalo: Ryan Fitzpatrick
Miami: Ryan Tannehill
NE: Tom Brady
New York Jets: Mark Sanchez
Baltimore: Joe Flacco
Cincinnati: Andy Dalton
Cleveland: Brandon Weeden
Pittsburgh: Ben Roethlisberger
Houston: Matt Schaub
Indianapolis: Andrew Luck
Jacksonville: Blaine Gabbert
Tennessee: Jake Locker
Denver: Peyton Manning
Kansas City: Matt Cassel
Oakland: Carson Palmer
San Diego: Phillip Rivers
Dallas: Tony Romo
New York Giants: Eli Manning
Philadelphia: Michael Vick
Washington: Robert Griffin III
Chicago: Jay Cutler
Detroit: Matthew Stafford
Green Bay: Aaron Rodgers
Minnesota: Christian Ponder
Atlanta: Matt Ryan
Carolina: Cam Newton
New Orleans: Drew Brees
Tampa Bay: Josh Freeman
Arizona: John Skelton
San Francisco: Alex Smith
Seattle: Russell Wilson
St. Louis: Sam Bradford

I only count six QBs that are superior to Romo: Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers, and Drew Brees. Th obvious thing that those six have in common are that all six have won a Super Bowl. You can argue that Phillip Rivers is superior to Romo (and I would concur), but Like Romo, Rivers has yet to win anything. Some might say Matt Ryan and Matt Schaub are better QBs as well, but I don't buy that. Vick is arguably a bigger threat than Romo due to his running / scrambling ability, but a better QB? That's arguable as well.

Romo gets a lot of guff simply because he's Dallas' QB. You're right Sprig, the two pick sixes he threw against Detroit last year cost Dallas that game, but the teams' horrendous secondary and defense last year had a bigger hand in allowing Dallas to choke away double digit leads in multiple games. Jason Garrett was directly responsible for two losses due to his poor clock management in the Arizona game as well as his conservative playcalling in NE when Dallas had the lead.

 

[bumblebee]

Romo also had one of the best QBR's last season, but people don't want to be bothered about the facts.



Haters just wanna hate.

 

[mfoga]

7th best? Hmm I can quickly come up with 3 I would take over him. Rivers, Stafford, and Cutler.

Really I might take 3 more of the non first or second year guys over him.

Plus its not saying much when there are what 10 first or second year QBs,

He is a middle of the pack guy and his record shows it.

Also two if the best QBs had the worst D's so why didnt they have problem like Romo?

 

[sprig0701]

It's over Romo's career, when it came down to the big moments, he choked- for lack of a better term. Yes, I'd put him over most QBs Sept-mid Nov, but come play off hunt time, and into the play offs, then give me the ones that win.

Also, that 2007 season they were the NFC favorites for the Super Bowl, and before that play off loss to NY he was on vacation with Jessica Simpson. It's a mix of being Dallas' QB and the media attention that gets him all the flac.

But hey, that's a good win to boost their confidence after last seasons disaster. On the road and knocking the champs off. If I were a Dallas fan, I know I'd be extremely happy.

 

[DinoDB1975]

7th best? Hmm I can quickly come up with 3 I would take over him. Rivers, Stafford, and Cutler.

Really I might take 3 more of the non first or second year guys over him.

Plus its not saying much when there are what 10 first or second year QBs,

He is a middle of the pack guy and his record shows it.

Also two if the best QBs had the worst D's so why didnt they have problem like Romo?

I'll give you Rivers, like I mentioned before. But Stafford? He had a helluva season last year, but let's see him do it consistantly over several seasons.

I can't give you Cutler though. Sprig gave a perfect example; Cutler didn't come back from injury in the NFC title game a few seasons back. Romo came back from a punctured lung in game 2 last season.

Regarding his record, his regular season record is hardly middle of the pack. But QBs are judged by playoff wins, and that's where he fails.

As far as the two QBs with worse team defenses, I assume you're referring to Brady as one, but I can't think of the other (sorry trying to work in the office and post at the same time), If one indeed was Brady, well NE benefits from playing the Bills and Miami twice.

It's over Romo's career, when it came down to the big moments, he choked- for lack of a better term. Yes, I'd put him over most QBs Sept-mid Nov, but come play off hunt time, and into the play offs, then give me the ones that win.

Also, that 2007 season they were the NFC favorites for the Super Bowl, and before that play off loss to NY he was on vacation with Jessica Simpson. It's a mix of being Dallas' QB and the media attention that gets him all the flac.

But hey, that's a good win to boost their confidence after last seasons disaster. On the road and knocking the champs off. If I were a Dallas fan, I know I'd be extremely happy.

I agree. But that 2007 loss to the Giants, Dallas had the lead deep in the fourth and needed to run out the clock. Romo throws a perfect pass to a wide open Patrick Crayton and Crayton drops it. Giants get the ball back, score, and Romo marches Dallas downfield but throws an end zone interception. I hate playing the "if" game, but chances are that Crayton caught that pass, Dallas wins and moves on...and ensures that NE wins the Superbowl and caps a perfect season.

My point isn't that Romo is perfect, or the second coming, or even elite, but he's damn better than 2/3 of the QBs in the league. I mean 22 of 29 for a 75% completion percentage? Wow.

 

[iron.jedi83]

I'll give you Rivers, like I mentioned before. But Stafford? He had a helluva season last year, but let's see him do it consistantly over several seasons.

I can't give you Cutler though. Sprig gave a perfect example; Cutler didn't come back from injury in the NFC title game a few seasons back. Romo came back from a punctured lung in game 2 last season.

Regarding his record, his regular season record is hardly middle of the pack. But QBs are judged by playoff wins, and that's where he fails.

As far as the two QBs with worse team defenses, I assume you're referring to Brady as one, but I can't think of the other (sorry trying to work in the office and post at the same time), If one indeed was Brady, well NE benefits from playing the Bills and Miami twice.


I agree. But that 2007 loss to the Giants, Dallas had the lead deep in the fourth and needed to run out the clock. Romo throws a perfect pass to a wide open Patrick Crayton and Crayton drops it. Giants get the ball back, score, and Romo marches Dallas downfield but throws an end zone interception. I hate playing the "if" game, but chances are that Crayton caught that pass, Dallas wins and moves on...and ensures that NE wins the Superbowl and caps a perfect season.

My point isn't that Romo is perfect, or the second coming, or even elite, but he's damn better than 2/3 of the QBs in the league. I mean 22 of 29 for a 75% completion percentage? Wow.

i believe the other was Rodgers. Packers and Patriots were 31 & 32 in total defense last season

 

[sprig0701]

Romo also gets a lack of flac because of how overly sensitive he can be. He just stomped out of a press conference a few days ago. Those reporters are like sharks smelling blood in the water if you're easily flustered like that.

 

[DinoDB1975]

i believe the other was Rodgers. Packers and Patriots were 31 & 32 in total defense last season

Off topic, but that's a damn cool sig!

 

[mfoga]

I'll give you Rivers, like I mentioned before. But Stafford? He had a helluva season last year, but let's see him do it consistantly over several seasons.

I can't give you Cutler though. Sprig gave a perfect example; Cutler didn't come back from injury in the NFC title game a few seasons back. Romo came back from a punctured lung in game 2 last season.

Regarding his record, his regular season record is hardly middle of the pack. But QBs are judged by playoff wins, and that's where he fails.

As far as the two QBs with worse team defenses, I assume you're referring to Brady as one, but I can't think of the other (sorry trying to work in the office and post at the same time), If one indeed was Brady, well NE benefits from playing the Bills and Miami twice.

Stafford had his rookie season , three games and then last year. That showed what he can do, Romo has never had a wow holly crap season look at what he can do (he has had 7 seasons to do so) IMO. He has been a good QB, not great, not poor just good.

Cutler was good his third season in Den (only played 5 games as rookie) and has been ok in Chi but he has NO receivers until this year. I expect him to show what he can do now that he at least one weapon.

As for the other QB with bad D was Rodgers.

Yes NE has some bad teams and that shows you how the D was even worse too.

 

[DinoDB1975]

Yup, both NE and the Packers had worse defenses than Dallas, but again, both Brady and Rodgers are better QBs than Romo.

 

[SixMillionDollarMan Guy]

All-in-all, I'm just damn glad to have the pro-football season started up again!!!!!!! Come February, even if it's my most hated teams from the AFC and NFC (Baltimore and Dallas) in the Super Bowl, I'll still be like a little kid at Christmas time awaiting the game!!! I'm a die-hard Steelers fan, but I love the NFL!!!

I'm a sports nut in general but there's nothing like the NFL. Basically I wait for the whole year for my time to arrive......September-January NFL. There isn't anything like it. Every year I have hope and get sucked in and soon realize the Vikes aren't going anywhere. It works like clockwork.

Sprig, this is for you.....

How bout them Cowboys!

Didn't know you were a Cowboys fan.

I think the Cowboys played a great road game, need to cut down the penalties but 400 plus yards of offense and 24 points on the road the night the champs raise the banner. I'll take it.

They sure did. I dislike the Cowboys but I'll give them credit for that big win. I don't care what anybody says, it's a big deal when you win a division road game against a hated rival.

I only count six QBs that are superior to Romo: Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers, and Drew Brees. Th obvious thing that those six have in common are that all six have won a Super Bowl. You can argue that Phillip Rivers is superior to Romo (and I would concur), but Like Romo, Rivers has yet to win anything. Some might say Matt Ryan and Matt Schaub are better QBs as well, but I don't buy that. Vick is arguably a bigger threat than Romo due to his running / scrambling ability, but a better QB? That's arguable as well.

Romo gets a lot of guff simply because he's Dallas' QB. You're right Sprig, the two pick sixes he threw against Detroit last year cost Dallas that game, but the teams' horrendous secondary and defense last year had a bigger hand in allowing Dallas to choke away double digit leads in multiple games. Jason Garrett was directly responsible for two losses due to his poor clock management in the Arizona game as well as his conservative playcalling in NE when Dallas had the lead.

I agree with everything in this statement.

 

[Grenouille]

Yup, both NE and the Packers had worst defenses than Dallas, but again, both Brady and Rodgers are better QBs than Romo.

Well, if you look at yardage which most of the "experts" look at. The Pats defense was middle of the pack when it came to actual points given up.

 

[DinoDB1975]

Well, if you look at yardage which most of the "experts" look at. The Pats defense was middle of the pack when it came to actual points given up.

Yeah, they bent but didn't break. But for the purposes of the argument, NE and Green Bay were the teams referred to.

 

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[SixMillionDollarMan Guy]

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