NHL General Discussion

[Adrosi]

Hmmmm.......... Not a fan of Patrick Roy either.

Same. He's good which makes it more difficult to dislike him.

In actuality I can't figure out why I'm not a fan of him.....

maybe because he's got a little too much psycho.....paired up with all that arrogance.

 

[Darkmatter]

people hate winners unless they're on their team.

 

[Voorhees27]

Yeah, that's a good call right there. Oilers tied for the worst point total in the league behind Buffalo. At least Buffalo has an excuse, trading away players for draft picks in a rebuilding process. No excuses for the Oilers.

Look at how many Top 5 draft picks they have accumulated over the years. Yikes!

Yeah pretty much. All too true. Us fans are all "experts" but when it comes to the Oilers they really NEED a fresh start with management. Similar to what the Maple Leafs did. Start with Lowe and don't stop until they're all gone.

 

[xjamiex]

I'd say trade Sam Gagner for a solid young defenseman would be a good start.

 

[Voorhees27]

I'd say trade Sam Gagner for a solid young defenseman would be a good start.

I can see Gagner and (sadly) Yakupov heading out this season. Hopefully for a decent confident defenceman and a damn goalie. And hopefully sooner than later. If we're to give Yakupov up I wanna see a solid goaltender in the trade.

 

[Eli26]

people hate winners unless they're on their team.

No I don't hate people. I dislike the guy for his antics, the fact he has been abusive towards his wife and the **** involving his kid. He's a **** and so is his kid.

That comment is so silly because I am all about the winners. lol

 

[Eli26]

it still irks me that he killed his teammate drunk driving, took a plea deal, and didn't serve one day jail time. another celeb bucking the system and getting away with a crime. if it was you or i, we would have served at least a couple of years behind bars. no coincidence he was traded right afterward to a canadian team that got him out of the deep south before they changed their minds.

Lets get this straight.... I can't like Roy for being a wife abuser and the other crap he does, but you can dislike Heater for making a bad judgement call... Which for your information Snyder got into the same car, knowing fairly well how intoxicated Dany was.... Okay...

It's funny how angry people are when it comes to Heatley and what he did there, yet how forgiving and understanding the Snyder family was. All charges were dropped for a reason. Maybe they got paid off or maybe, they realized that they were both kids who wanted to have some fun, which unfortunately cost one of their lives. I don't think Dany was evil for what he did. He was stupid. On the other hand, abusing a partner, is an act of evil. Doesn't mean the person themselves are, but the act is.

Not saying Snyder deserved it or Dany deserved an out, but you have to take responsibility knowing your environment. Friends don't let intoxicated friends drive... especially getting into a car with them. Responsibility has to be put on both individuals. Granted some of us have given in at one point in our lives to the whole, "I am good. I am alright..." response. If I remember correctly, Synder egged on Heater to see how fast his car could go, because he had crashed a Ferrari if my recollection of the incident is correct. I bring this up, because it's exciting to want to test how fast a car like that could go. Kids shouldn't be behind a wheel of a car they can't handle, especially in a residential area where this had happened. You want to drive like a speedster, race on a track.

What I don't appreciate concerning Dany, is his work ethic and lack of conditioning. For a guy that gets paid as much as he makes, he should be on top of that stuff. Guy has all the talent in the world and a crazy hockey IQ. Not like he lost it. He just doesn't care as much. It shows in the aforementioned faults.

Anyway, getting back to how we handle our drunk friends... It's gotten as bad as calling the Police on a friend who was drunk as a skunk. He asked me the following day if I had called the Police on him. I said of course I did. And I would do it again. That's what a friend is for. A good friend makes that judgement call if a friend isn't behaving. Better have a friend sitting in a drunk tank losing his license, rather than him killing someone (and having to live with it), and/or losing his own life. On a level of 1 to 10, my friend was a 10. He was lucky with the outcome there.

 

[Eli26]

I can see Gagner and (sadly) Yakupov heading out this season. Hopefully for a decent confident defenceman and a damn goalie. And hopefully sooner than later. If we're to give Yakupov up I wanna see a solid goaltender in the trade.

Bachman could be a potential stud for you. Yeah he had a blah game before he got hurt, but there is some decent upside there and he had an incredible first game for you guys. What you guys need is a better coach (Eakins just hasn't cut it), better bottom six guys, and some dmen who can actually play in their end. Yes, your top players aren't playing to their expected standards, but great teams have a solid bottom six. Heart guys who dig and play dirty. Do everything needed to win those important games, and stay-at-home dmen.... you have a lot of capable guys who can contribute on the rush, but you need someone like a Scuderi back there. A guy who is great at shutting down the opposition. Making life miserable for the other team's star forwards in the slot.

Problem with having so many top picks, and I could totally be off the mark here, is they expect to be the franchise. It's all about them. Young kids who are dubbed the best in their draft class.. could make things more difficult in a team environment. I mean explain how else a team with all this talent could still be this bad. Colorado didn't have 3 1st overall picks and they are now on the top of the hockey world. Pittsburgh and Chicago got loaded up with picks, and the minute their two studded forwards (Kane and Toews) and (Crosby and Malkin) both made the big league, they were instant playoff contenders.

 

[Eli26]

Another thing that irks me when it comes to people and their whole, "I hate how celebrities and famous athletes are treated. I wouldn't get away with what they get away with" attitude.... The thing of it is, if we were famous for whatever reason and we got away with something for the same reason, do you really think you would say, sorry judge and jury, I deserve to spend x-amount of time in prison for what I did... Bullsheeeat. You would be counting your lucky stars and kissing the ground.

Some of us need to be a little more empathetic. On the flip side, I do think it sucks that deep pockets get people extra privileges, but this is unfortunately the way of the world. Accept it or forever be pissed off by it and be that hamster on the wheel that can't move forward.

 

[Eli26]

I can see Gagner and (sadly) Yakupov heading out this season. Hopefully for a decent confident defenceman and a damn goalie. And hopefully sooner than later. If we're to give Yakupov up I wanna see a solid goaltender in the trade.

I would like to see Yakupov see some AHL time developing his game, and hopefully regaining some confidence dominating at a lower level vs. being so frustrated that he hasn't found his game yet this season or Edmonton losing out on a potential Kovalchuk clone.

 

[Darkmatter]

Lets get this straight.... I can't like Roy for being a wife abuser and the other crap he does, but you can dislike Heater for making a bad judgement call... Which for your information Snyder got into the same car, knowing fairly well how intoxicated Dany was.... Okay...

It's funny how angry people are when it comes to Heatley and what he did there, yet how forgiving and understanding the Snyder family was. All charges were dropped for a reason. Maybe they got paid off or maybe, they realized that they were both kids who wanted to have some fun, which unfortunately cost one of their lives. I don't think Dany was evil for what he did. He was stupid. On the other hand, abusing a partner, is an act of evil. Doesn't mean the person themselves are, but the act is.

Not saying Snyder deserved it or Dany deserved an out, but you have to take responsibility knowing your environment. Friends don't let intoxicated friends drive... especially getting into a car with them. Responsibility has to be put on both individuals. Granted some of us have given in at one point in our lives to the whole, "I am good. I am alright..." response. If I remember correctly, Synder egged on Heater to see how fast his car could go, because he had crashed a Ferrari if my recollection of the incident is correct. I bring this up, because it's exciting to want to test how fast a car like that could go. Kids shouldn't be behind a wheel of a car they can't handle, especially in a residential area where this had happened. You want to drive like a speedster, race on a track.

What I don't appreciate concerning Dany, is his work ethic and lack of conditioning. For a guy that gets paid as much as he makes, he should be on top of that stuff. Guy has all the talent in the world and a crazy hockey IQ. Not like he lost it. He just doesn't care as much. It shows in the aforementioned faults.

Anyway, getting back to how we handle our drunk friends... It's gotten as bad as calling the Police on a friend who was drunk as a skunk. He asked me the following day if I had called the Police on him. I said of course I did. And I would do it again. That's what a friend is for. A good friend makes that judgement call if a friend isn't behaving. Better have a friend sitting in a drunk tank losing his license, rather than him killing someone (and having to live with it), and/or losing his own life. On a level of 1 to 10, my friend was a 10. He was lucky with the outcome there.

eli, your logic clearly is a double standard. heatley made a bad judgement call? then using that logic, everyone who commits any kind of crime made a bad judgement call. if they really thought about it, they wouldn't have done it?

we must take responsibility for our own actions, whether on the ice or off. whether driving drunk or beating our wife.

btw, roy is still with his wife and has gone to counseling in regards to his 'hands on' fighting at home. heatley just tried to move away from his problem but you can't fix vehicular homicide.

 

[Eli26]

eli, your logic clearly is a double standard. heatley made a bad judgement call? then using that logic, everyone who commits any kind of crime made a bad judgement call. if they really thought about it, they wouldn't have done it?

we must take responsibility for our own actions, whether on the ice or off. whether driving drunk or beating our wife.

btw, roy is still with his wife and has gone to counseling in regards to his 'hands on' fighting at home. heatley just tried to move away from his problem but you can't fix vehicular homicide.

Absolutely, I am not saying he didn't deserve jail time. Where did I say this? Perhaps you didn't read what I had posted. I am just saying, Snyder was at fault there too... and I pointed a fact, that it is funny how people are so angry towards a guy who caused his teammate and friend's death, but how the family of the deceased had forgiven him. I am saying, they accepted what it was for what it was. That was their opinion of the situation. Yours is different. I get that. I just don't like how you made a silly comment about not liking Roy, but it was okay to go on about how you hate Heater. BTW I can't stress how much I do not hate Roy or for that matter, anyone. Just don't care for the guy.

To make certain you fully understand me: There is no double standard here because I don't like either person and what they did. If that is what you got from my post, then perhaps you misunderstood me or perhaps I should have made it more clear. Neither situation is good. I just view one being stupid and evil and one being flat out stupid. One didn't intend to crash his car and kill his friend. The other did intend to cause harm to his wife. That's all I was trying to point out. Both acts are bad. Absolutely. Both are against the law, but one had an intent behind it, the other was simply very foolish move. Now hopefully we can move on from this.

Also, I want to tell you I feel for the loss of your mother. We have had a rough year and I am sorry that you have gone through it. I am currently still working through my own losses. It's tough. I hope you're alright in that regard and I have been thinking about you.

 

[Darkmatter]

i get your statement. but i don't feel the responsibility of the crash was on dan snyder as the passenger. the driver knows when he's had too much to get behind the wheel and should be responsible enough to call a taxi. i do realize they were both very young. this is one of the backlashes of making kids millionaires from their sports abilities. their bodies may be peak but their minds are not fully developed yet.

and thanks eli. you're very kind to extend sympathies for mom. she was a very nice lady and was taken way too early even though she was 80. i appreciate your support and i extend my condolences to you and yours as well for your recent loses. i'm here if you ever need to talk.

 

[Voorhees27]

Bachman could be a potential stud for you. Yeah he had a blah game before he got hurt, but there is some decent upside there and he had an incredible first game for you guys. What you guys need is a better coach (Eakins just hasn't cut it), better bottom six guys, and some dmen who can actually play in their end. Yes, your top players aren't playing to their expected standards, but great teams have a solid bottom six. Heart guys who dig and play dirty. Do everything needed to win those important games, and stay-at-home dmen.... you have a lot of capable guys who can contribute on the rush, but you need someone like a Scuderi back there. A guy who is great at shutting down the opposition. Making life miserable for the other team's star forwards in the slot.

Problem with having so many top picks, and I could totally be off the mark here, is they expect to be the franchise. It's all about them. Young kids who are dubbed the best in their draft class.. could make things more difficult in a team environment. I mean explain how else a team with all this talent could still be this bad. Colorado didn't have 3 1st overall picks and they are now on the top of the hockey world. Pittsburgh and Chicago got loaded up with picks, and the minute their two studded forwards (Kane and Toews) and (Crosby and Malkin) both made the big league, they were instant playoff contenders.

I like Bachman too but this team needs a super confident goaltender and right now. Imo the last line of defence is like a domino effect of either confidence or the lack there of. Let me ask you this, how many chances would you take either on offense or defence pressing to make plays when you have zero confidence your goalie will bail you out on a 2 on 1?

Now, on the other hand I too don't think Eakins is the right man for the job. I agree with you there. Sure we can improve our defence but confidence as a whole is the real issue. Management must also be changed.

I would like to see Yakupov see some AHL time developing his game, and hopefully regaining some confidence dominating at a lower level vs. being so frustrated that he hasn't found his game yet this season or Edmonton losing out on a potential Kovalchuk clone.

Nah. You play him, he'll only improve over time. In today's NHL top draft pics are always played. Well most the time. It's not about the game anymore, it's about ticket sales and merchandise. Yakupov is very popular.

 

[Eli26]

I like Bachman too but this team needs a super confident goaltender and right now. Imo the last line of defence is like a domino effect of either confidence or the lack there of. Let me ask you this, how many chances would you take either on offense or defence pressing to make plays when you have zero confidence your goalie will bail you out on a 2 on 1?

Now, on the other hand I too don't think Eakins is the right man for the job. I agree with you there. Sure we can improve our defence but confidence as a whole is the real issue. Management must also be changed.



Nah. You play him, he'll only improve over time. In today's NHL top draft pics are always played. Well most the time. It's not about the game anymore, it's about ticket sales and merchandise. Yakupov is very popular.

Yeah, but you also don't want to Daigle the kid. lol

 

[Eli26]

I like Bachman too but this team needs a super confident goaltender and right now. Imo the last line of defence is like a domino effect of either confidence or the lack there of. Let me ask you this, how many chances would you take either on offense or defence pressing to make plays when you have zero confidence your goalie will bail you out on a 2 on 1?

Now, on the other hand I too don't think Eakins is the right man for the job. I agree with you there. Sure we can improve our defence but confidence as a whole is the real issue. Management must also be changed.



Nah. You play him, he'll only improve over time. In today's NHL top draft pics are always played. Well most the time. It's not about the game anymore, it's about ticket sales and merchandise. Yakupov is very popular.

Very well said, D plays more confidently when their goalie is reliable. Trust me, neither Pittsburgh nor Winnipeg has had that for a while. Especially Winnipeg.... so I get it. I do like Comrie and Hellebuyck in our system.

 

[Deeznutz6]

Lets get this straight.... I can't like Roy for being a wife abuser and the other crap he does, but you can dislike Heater for making a bad judgement call... Which for your information Snyder got into the same car, knowing fairly well how intoxicated Dany was.... Okay...

It's funny how angry people are when it comes to Heatley and what he did there, yet how forgiving and understanding the Snyder family was. All charges were dropped for a reason. Maybe they got paid off or maybe, they realized that they were both kids who wanted to have some fun, which unfortunately cost one of their lives. I don't think Dany was evil for what he did. He was stupid. On the other hand, abusing a partner, is an act of evil. Doesn't mean the person themselves are, but the act is.

Not saying Snyder deserved it or Dany deserved an out, but you have to take responsibility knowing your environment. Friends don't let intoxicated friends drive... especially getting into a car with them. Responsibility has to be put on both individuals. Granted some of us have given in at one point in our lives to the whole, "I am good. I am alright..." response. If I remember correctly, Synder egged on Heater to see how fast his car could go, because he had crashed a Ferrari if my recollection of the incident is correct. I bring this up, because it's exciting to want to test how fast a car like that could go. Kids shouldn't be behind a wheel of a car they can't handle, especially in a residential area where this had happened. You want to drive like a speedster, race on a track.

What I don't appreciate concerning Dany, is his work ethic and lack of conditioning. For a guy that gets paid as much as he makes, he should be on top of that stuff. Guy has all the talent in the world and a crazy hockey IQ. Not like he lost it. He just doesn't care as much. It shows in the aforementioned faults.

Anyway, getting back to how we handle our drunk friends... It's gotten as bad as calling the Police on a friend who was drunk as a skunk. He asked me the following day if I had called the Police on him. I said of course I did. And I would do it again. That's what a friend is for. A good friend makes that judgement call if a friend isn't behaving. Better have a friend sitting in a drunk tank losing his license, rather than him killing someone (and having to live with it), and/or losing his own life. On a level of 1 to 10, my friend was a 10. He was lucky with the outcome there.

For the record, Patrick's saint wife was banging half the league, not saying I would beat her, but I understand (Chris Rock joke)

 

[Deeznutz6]

eli, your logic clearly is a double standard. heatley made a bad judgement call? then using that logic, everyone who commits any kind of crime made a bad judgement call. if they really thought about it, they wouldn't have done it?

we must take responsibility for our own actions, whether on the ice or off. whether driving drunk or beating our wife.

btw, roy is still with his wife and has gone to counseling in regards to his 'hands on' fighting at home. heatley just tried to move away from his problem but you can't fix vehicular homicide.

word, and at the same time, Heater found his love for cocaine....

 

[Eli26]

For the record, Patrick's saint wife was banging half the league, not saying I would beat her, but I understand (Chris Rock joke)

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Okay, that's out of my system now. btw I feel bad for that Jon Merrill kid. What a horrible NHL debut.

How are you Deez? BTW Neal better come back soon. Malkin is having problems with his **** linemates. Dear God everything gets censored on here. ****ing G-rated message board. **** is a name you sons of *****es.

 

[cokebabies]

I would recommend Lundqvist stop wearing those magnetic skates that are attracting his entire body to the goal line on shots from the hash marks..