NHL General Discussion

[KitFisto]

Not whining. Just facts. It's gone on since Mario was a Pen. Don't worry, when Cindy retires the NHL will fix another draft so the Pens get another generational player.

 

[Deeznutz6]

Not whining. Just facts. It's gone on since Mario was a Pen. Don't worry, when Cindy retires the NHL will fix another draft so the Pens get another generational player.

Shocking response....

They must have fixed all the drafts prior that landed them the other stars just like they fixed the trades that got them the rest of the team.

They also must have fixed all those other drafts that got Edmonton all those firs overall picks that helped them win all their cups... Oh ya they didn't win any

How many power plays did we get in game seven against the Caps? That right zero

And the refs must have fixed the first round of the 2010 playoffs that saw the habs bounce your Caps and my pens right after

Here is a fact, winners win, Crosby just like Brady and Lebron find a way for their teams to win, accept your team doesn't have a winner a wait till they do

 

[KitFisto]

They fixed the draft to get Cindy to the Pens so Mario wouldn't follow thru with his fake threat to move the team.team .

And I'm not even mentioning the Chokitals here. The NHL favors the Pens and pretty much anyone, but a Pens fan can see it. There are discussions all over the Web about it, but it must just be jealousy

 

[rjszar]

They fixed the draft to get Cindy to the Pens so Mario wouldn't follow thru with his fake threat to move the team.team .

And I'm not even mentioning the Chokitals here. The NHL favors the Pens and pretty much anyone, but a Pens fan can see it. There are discussions all over the Web about it, but it must just be jealousy

Yes, of course, you are right. After all, everything on the web is gospel. Did you know that the NHL is going to change the rules so that the Stanley Cup champ gets to pick first from now on? The Pens will have all the best talent for the foreseeable future. It's going to be awesome.

 

[KitFisto]

Yes, of course, you are right. After all, everything on the web is gospel. Did you know that the NHL is going to change the rules so that the Stanley Cup champ gets to pick first from now on? The Pens will have all the best talent for the foreseeable future. It's going to be awesome.

The point is that when fans all over the league talk about it, then there is something to it. When you're on the receiving end of the blessings then of course all is right with the world for you.

 

[Deeznutz6]

The point is that when fans all over the league talk about it, then there is something to it. When you're on the receiving end of the blessings then of course all is right with the world for you.

That is possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard

Fans on the Internet are talking about it..... Wow

 

[Eli26]

I wouldn't say during Mario's playing days (I watched a lot of those games and I would say that part is bogus), but yes fans have talked about the perceived calls that the Penguins seem to get in their favour.

But the supposed call that Nashville scored in Game 6 was called before it entered the net. Predator players like Rinne, even admitted that it was the ref's angle he saw it at and the speed of the game... and as Deez had pointed out there were 4 penalties called against the Pens, zero to Nashville. Now the argument could have been made that it should have been reviewed. Excuse me if I am not mistaken, but I was on the can when that part took place, but did Pat ask for a coach's challenge? I just heard it from the distance. I did look back at it. Just not certain if there was a coach's challenge used on it.

And let's not forget the Penguins own the two best centermen in the game. Since 06/07 (Malkin's rookie season), the two best players for point-per-game are Crosby at 1 and Geno at 2. Then there is that amazing supporting cast, a superstar winger in Kessel, a sensational rookie in Guentzel who's an emerging star in his own right, a talented top-sixer in Sheary, a physical body in Hornqvist who has a nose for the net, a gritty player in Rust who can score timely goals, a solid 3rd line C in Bonino who could make it as a 2C on some teams, and a great 4th line C in Cullen who is a warrior... how many 4th line C's average 15 goals and over 30 points at 39 and 40? Only one. In fact he's the only 4th liner I know who produces those numbers. The reason the Pens are better these past two years vs the several years prior... an actual talented bottom six, and much more talented wingers for Sid and Geno to play with. So not surprising this team is good. Whether you can make the argument the NHL favours the Penguins, are we to assume that the quality of players they possess have nothing to do with that success? There is only so much help from refs a team can get to have back-to-back Cup wins. Or else we would seen Penguin titles every year.

And help from Lemieux's days.. oh yes, all those injuries.... the NHL sure protected him. Or for Crosby. Or those times the Pens had early exits. Nobody lays claims to this bogus crap until the team does well. Why? Oh right, because it's convenient. But there have been iffy calls ... absolutely. In the end, do I like how that Game 6 played out. Not entirely. I would have like to see that goal count for Nashville. My empathetic brain can see why Nashville or other fans would be upset. But I still see the Pens winning it. They are too good at home, even if they hypothetically lost that game in Nashville on the premise that the goal counted.

And as for bad calls... there have been bad calls against all teams. Even the Penguins. I have watched enough Pittsburgh games to see it. I also have seen it against the Jets in my hometown.

And as for the NHL rigging games. Maybe there is some truth to it... I mean there is Gelinas who seemingly scored a goal that could have led to a Flames Stanley Cup victory in 2004. If that is the case, then pretty much every Final and Stanley Cup has been rigged since Bettman has come in.

Bettman did become Commish in February of 1993. The same year the Montreal Canadiens won a Stanley Cup... Canada's last Cup. Maybe us Canadian fans should say every American team that makes it to the Final are rigged as well. And if the NHL is so rigged, then why do we even watch hockey? And I am sure the same claim has been made to the other professional sports leagues.

But there definitely has been talk made about it. It's usually made by fickle fans who's teams haven't won it. But then again, I did say that about the Lightning when they beat the Flames. So Kit Fisto is right, there are people who on the internet that believe the game is fixed.

https://www.debate.org/opinions/are-the-nhl-playoffs-fixed

 

[Eli26]

Sorry, not Pat... Peter. As in Peter Laviolette. lol

 

[KitFisto]

That is possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard

Fans on the Internet are talking about it..... Wow

Guess they should only talk about it person......you clearly struggle to understand that yes, people discuss things on the internet....you know, like you do here. Again, when you're on the receiving end of all the blessings then everyone else must be wrong.

 

[KitFisto]

I wouldn't say during Mario's playing days (I watched a lot of those games and I would say that part is bogus), but yes fans have talked about the perceived calls that the Penguins seem to get in their favour.

But the supposed call that Nashville scored in Game 6 was called before it entered the net. Predator players like Rinne, even admitted that it was the ref's angle he saw it at and the speed of the game... and as Deez had pointed out there were 4 penalties called against the Pens, zero to Nashville. Now the argument could have been made that it should have been reviewed. Excuse me if I am not mistaken, but I was on the can when that part took place, but did Pat ask for a coach's challenge? I just heard it from the distance. I did look back at it. Just not certain if there was a coach's challenge used on it.

And let's not forget the Penguins own the two best centermen in the game. Since 06/07 (Malkin's rookie season), the two best players for point-per-game are Crosby at 1 and Geno at 2. Then there is that amazing supporting cast, a superstar winger in Kessel, a sensational rookie in Guentzel who's an emerging star in his own right, a talented top-sixer in Sheary, a physical body in Hornqvist who has a nose for the net, a gritty player in Rust who can score timely goals, a solid 3rd line C in Bonino who could make it as a 2C on some teams, and a great 4th line C in Cullen who is a warrior... how many 4th line C's average 15 goals and over 30 points at 39 and 40? Only one. In fact he's the only 4th liner I know who produces those numbers. The reason the Pens are better these past two years vs the several years prior... an actual talented bottom six, and much more talented wingers for Sid and Geno to play with. So not surprising this team is good. Whether you can make the argument the NHL favours the Penguins, are we to assume that the quality of players they possess have nothing to do with that success? There is only so much help from refs a team can get to have back-to-back Cup wins. Or else we would seen Penguin titles every year.

And help from Lemieux's days.. oh yes, all those injuries.... the NHL sure protected him. Or for Crosby. Or those times the Pens had early exits. Nobody lays claims to this bogus crap until the team does well. Why? Oh right, because it's convenient. But there have been iffy calls ... absolutely. In the end, do I like how that Game 6 played out. Not entirely. I would have like to see that goal count for Nashville. My empathetic brain can see why Nashville or other fans would be upset. But I still see the Pens winning it. They are too good at home, even if they hypothetically lost that game in Nashville on the premise that the goal counted.

And as for bad calls... there have been bad calls against all teams. Even the Penguins. I have watched enough Pittsburgh games to see it. I also have seen it against the Jets in my hometown.

And as for the NHL rigging games. Maybe there is some truth to it... I mean there is Gelinas who seemingly scored a goal that could have led to a Flames Stanley Cup victory in 2004. If that is the case, then pretty much every Final and Stanley Cup has been rigged since Bettman has come in.

Bettman did become Commish in February of 1993. The same year the Montreal Canadiens won a Stanley Cup... Canada's last Cup. Maybe us Canadian fans should say every American team that makes it to the Final are rigged as well. And if the NHL is so rigged, then why do we even watch hockey? And I am sure the same claim has been made to the other professional sports leagues.

But there definitely has been talk made about it. It's usually made by fickle fans who's teams haven't won it. But then again, I did say that about the Lightning when they beat the Flames. So Kit Fisto is right, there are people who on the internet that believe the game is fixed.

https://www.debate.org/opinions/are-the-nhl-playoffs-fixed

The thing is, the Pens are a great team and were then too so people take issue with them also getting the calls because it makes beating them THAT much harder. They don't need the help, but they get it anyway. The Pens have also historically gotten away with cheap shots and stick work that other teams players get suspensions for. It's not a new thing. The Pens get the benefit of the doubt from the refs and the league more often than not and it's frustrating as hell when you're in a division with them.

 

[Deeznutz6]

Guess they should only talk about it person......you clearly struggle to understand that yes, people discuss things on the internet....you know, like you do here. Again, when you're on the receiving end of all the blessings then everyone else must be wrong.

Smh

I'm quite aware that people discuss things on the Internet, but just because people talk about anything anywhere doesn't give it merit. Holy ****

People said the nba rigged the nba draft so the Knicks could land Ewing, and? How titles did they win, same as the Caps

 

[KitFisto]

Smh

I'm quite aware that people discuss things on the Internet, but just because people talk about anything anywhere doesn't give it merit. Holy ****

People said the nba rigged the nba draft so the Knicks could land Ewing, and? How titles did they win, same as the Caps

What do the Caps have to do with this? You keep bring them up. The simple point is that most objective fans can see the favoritism the Pens are shown. As a Pens fan I wouldn't expect you to see anything other than "nuh uh". Do I believe the NHL rigged the draft for Crosby to land in Pitt? Yes. Do I have proof? No. Will it ever come out? No. I just look at the events that were happening with Morio's threats to move to team and then all of a sudden the saviour lands there just in time. The NHL has other favorites as well, but the Pens are chief among them. You don't have to see it and you can say that just because people discuss it, it doesn't make it true, but just because you don't doesn't mean it's not.

 

[Eli26]

Either way I can't see the Pens 3-peating. They are going to be worn down. 214 games over two seasons, plus the camps, preseasons, and for some of the guys a WCOH tournament. Yup, they'll be burned out. lol This is your chance Caps!

 

[KitFisto]

Yeah, that's a lot of hockey over 2 years so I doubt they win a 3rd hear in a row. I look for Toronto to make a leap next year, but expect the west to have the cup winner.

 

[SilverStar17]

Refs had their Pens t-shirts on under the stripes as usual.

Not whining. Just facts. It's gone on since Mario was a Pen. Don't worry, when Cindy retires the NHL will fix another draft so the Pens get another generational player.

They fixed the draft to get Cindy to the Pens so Mario wouldn't follow thru with his fake threat to move the team.team .

And I'm not even mentioning the Chokitals here. The NHL favors the Pens and pretty much anyone, but a Pens fan can see it. There are discussions all over the Web about it, but it must just be jealousy

The point is that when fans all over the league talk about it, then there is something to it. When you're on the receiving end of the blessings then of course all is right with the world for you.

The thing is, the Pens are a great team and were then too so people take issue with them also getting the calls because it makes beating them THAT much harder. They don't need the help, but they get it anyway. The Pens have also historically gotten away with cheap shots and stick work that other teams players get suspensions for. It's not a new thing. The Pens get the benefit of the doubt from the refs and the league more often than not and it's frustrating as hell when you're in a division with them.

What do the Caps have to do with this? You keep bring them up. The simple point is that most objective fans can see the favoritism the Pens are shown. As a Pens fan I wouldn't expect you to see anything other than "nuh uh". Do I believe the NHL rigged the draft for Crosby to land in Pitt? Yes. Do I have proof? No. Will it ever come out? No. I just look at the events that were happening with Morio's threats to move to team and then all of a sudden the saviour lands there just in time. The NHL has other favorites as well, but the Pens are chief among them. You don't have to see it and you can say that just because people discuss it, it doesn't make it true, but just because you don't doesn't mean it's not.

So in summation:

 

[KitFisto]

So in summation:

Fault? No....do the Pens get help? Clearly they do.

 

[SilverStar17]

I suppose that's the new thing.

When you can't beat your opponent...

Accuse them of collusion and/or the system being rigged.

 

[KitFisto]

I suppose that's the new thing.

When you can't beat your opponent...

Accuse them of collusion and/or the system being rigged.

Has zero to do with my team beating them.......has to do with 25+ years of watching hockey with my eyes open instead of through Pens colored glasses. I've watched WAY more Pens games than just vs the Caps. I've seen plenty of favoritism in many series over the years. If you haven't it's because you haven't been watching or simply refuse to admit it.

 

[SilverStar17]

So I'm confused. Did the league fix for the Penguins be one of the worst teams in the league for several consecutive seasons in the early 2000's so that way they'd have a higher probability of winning the Crosby sweepstakes?

I'm also still confused regarding your stance with the Capitals. You acknowledge that they have nobody else to blame for their playoff woes, but are attempting to still lay out a case how the refs were biased against them, therefore, there is something else to blame.

The only thing I see going on in this thread, is other people giving statistics that demonstrates how your theory isn't necessarily accurate, while you essentially in so many words just call them stupid and that they refuse to "admit it", citing your "25+ years of watching hockey with your eyes open instead of through Pens colored glasses" as enough reason as to why what you claim is a "fact". The Penguins were the worst team in the league in the 2003-2004 season, that's a fact. You believing that the league fixed several NHL drafts for the Penguins and that they get help from the officials, is an opinion. You even stated yourself you have no proof of this.

I couldn't agree more with what Deeznuts stated earlier. Winners find ways to win, even when they lose. They restrategize and find a way to reclaim victory. Losers find ways to make excuses on why they didn't win, usually in the form of calling the winners "cheaters" in some capacity. Whether that be through conspiracy, extra help, interference from an outside party, etc.

Even though you presumably have nothing to do with the Capitals organization, your mentality is still a reflection on precisely why they will continue to hang banners in their rafters like these:



Be proud of them. "Your" team earned them. Great season this year!

 

[Deeznutz6]

I wonder if Hawks and Kings fans complain about the favoriteism the Pens are shown?...