Nolan Dark Knight Trilogy (BB/TDK/TDKR)

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Yeah but IM3 really did suck!!! :)


I guess I am just surprised at the overall dislike for it or that there are so many people don't like it. I remember some haters when it first came out but I did not know it was this big. Plus know there seem to be Nolan Batman bashers.... Had no idea so many were out there also.


Like I said I also feel that TDKR is the weakest of the three and in no way am I going to try and defend it as I understand why people don't care for it. I was just surprised that it is hated as much as it is by as many as it is but I really have no issue with anyone hating the film.


Oh and I always love bashing on the highly overrated 89 Batman. :)

:lol I was just thinking that :lol To each their own on the comparison for these movies, but Nolan's are better...end of story...I'm right....close this thread :lol
 
I actually prefer the first 2 Nolan films over the Burtons but TDKR is terrible, such a shame as well
 
I do like the Burton Batmans though I just prefer the Nolan films. I like the fantasy of Burtonville
 
There's always too much butt hurt from both the Batman camps. Neither is better, there all great films (bar TDKR) some people like Burton, some like Nolan, that's it
 
Yeah but IM3 really did suck!!! :)


I guess I am just surprised at the overall dislike for it or that there are so many people don't like it. I remember some haters when it first came out but I did not know it was this big. Plus know there seem to be Nolan Batman bashers.... Had no idea so many were out there also.


Like I said I also feel that TDKR is the weakest of the three and in no way am I going to try and defend it as I understand why people don't care for it. I was just surprised that it is hated as much as it is by as many as it is but I really have no issue with anyone hating the film.


Oh and I always love bashing on the highly overrated 89 Batman. :)

Different strokes for different folks I guess. :dunno
 
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I do like the Burton Batmans though I just prefer the Nolan films. I like the fantasy of Burtonville

It felt like Gotham, and not Chicago.

Indeed. Yet another item on my long list of gripes with Nolan's Batman, culminating in the fact, that for the most part, I found them to be rather mundane, and lacking any real personality, outside of Ledger and Hardy.

Personally, I would prefer the definitive Batman to use strong points from both series. The dark, seriousness of Nolan's trilogy and the absolute bizarre insanity of Burton's. It would probably meet somewhere in the middle, around Sin City, 300, and Watchmen. And please, please for the love of Bob Kane, make Gotham, you know, Gothic.
 
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It would probably meet somewhere in the middle, around Sin City, 300
Say what? You think Sin City and 300 are mid-way between Nolan and Burton? Those movies are easily as stylized as any live action movie Burton did. Particularly Sin City, which is as surreal a comic movie as you are likely to see.
 
Say what? You think Sin City and 300 are mid-way between Nolan and Burton? Those movies are easily as stylized as any live action movie Burton did. Particularly Sin City, which is as surreal a comic movie as you are likely to see.

They're a bit easier to take seriously than Batman '89, granted, a lot of that is probably due to newer, more modern film-making techniques. And I never said I want less stylization. In a movie about a guy who dresses up as a bat and fights crime, stylization is everything. Who am I kidding, I'll take Burton in its original form over Nolan any day. :lol
 
I really really like the Nolan films (particularly the first two), but as "comic movies," I do prefer the general approach that Marvel is taking much better. In that sense, I would prefer a Nolan-type experience every once in awhile, but as a supplement to what I see as "real" comic movies like Spider-Man 2, the Avengers, or Iron Man. Like you say, they don't try to take themselves all that seriously, and so you can have real fantasy, joy, and excitement--the real heart and soul of Marvel and DC comics IMO.

I think the Man of Steel precedent is actually signaling a much more problematic trend than the Nolan films did, because it tries to hold onto that gritty, joyless aesthetic, but without giving us the effective drama and emotional depth that Nolan brings to the table. It tries to do both I guess (putting a fantastic alien with Superpowers essentially in Nolan's universe), but fails on both levels IMO.
 
I really really like the Nolan films (particularly the first two), but as "comic movies," I do prefer the general approach that Marvel is taking much better. In that sense, I would prefer a Nolan-type experience every once in awhile, but as a supplement to what I see as "real" comic movies like Spider-Man 2, the Avengers, or Iron Man. Like you say, they don't try to take themselves all that seriously, and so you can have real fantasy, joy, and excitement--the real heart and soul of Marvel and DC comics IMO.

I think the Man of Steel precedent is actually signaling a much more problematic trend than the Nolan films did, because it tries to hold onto that gritty, joyless aesthetic, but without giving us the effective drama and emotional depth that Nolan brings to the table. It tries to do both I guess (putting a fantastic alien with Superpowers essentially in Nolan's universe), but fails on both levels IMO.

Right, it tries too hard to be both a Snyder movie and a Nolan movie at the same time. Personally, I'd be ok with just Snyder, but we could use a writer that would play to his strengths. The guy excels at visual direction and capturing the essence in action scenes, and combined with a strong story, you get great work like Watchmen and 300.
 
Indeed. Yet another item on my long list of gripes with Nolan's Batman, culminating in the fact, that for the most part, I found them to be rather mundane, and lacking any real personality, outside of Ledger and Hardy.

Personally, I would prefer the definitive Batman to use strong points from both series. The dark, seriousness of Nolan's trilogy and the absolute bizarre insanity of Burton's. It would probably meet somewhere in the middle, around Sin City, 300, and Watchmen. And please, please for the love of Bob Kane, make Gotham, you know, Gothic.

Interesting. I always found Burtons first batman to be mundane and lacking in personality... Character wise anyways. Other the Jack there was no personality to any of the characters... Interesting personalities anyways. Gordon was a waste, Alfred was boring, Bruce Wayne was blah.. If Batman or the Joker was not on the screen then I found myself looking at my watch.

Actually the first time I watched BB I was not all that thrilled with it. It reminded me too much of 89 Batman... Black suit, cops chase the Batmobile, Villain wants to gas Gotham.. I thought the film was fantastic until he first put on the suit then it just stated to feel a bit like been there done that.

Then I watched it again and it hit me.... Oh so this is supposed to be what would happen if a rich guy in real life was and started fighting crime. I then fell in love with it.

TDK is in a place all it's own. I love that it feels like a modern crime film were the good guys and bad guys happen to dress up in costumes. Like watching Heat with Batman and the Joker.

I see now how that might be off putting to some. As that strays a bit far from the comics... I never thought of it that way and I can see why someone would not like that.

TDKR is sort of a mess. But an entertaining mess. A mess who's problems were not that apparent until I started to give it some thought after seeing the film.

But what I loved about all three is that Bruce Wayne was just as interesting as Batman. In fact after he started to become Batman when ever I say Wayne on screen I just thought of him as The Batman. They did, IMO, one of the best jobs in Comic book films of making the alter ego just as interesting as the Hero. Iron Man is probably the only thing even close.

As for the Gothic look of the 89 film.. I was never a fan. I hated the, "Is it the 30's or is it the 90's" look of the film. Gotham never looked real. It looked like sets and matt paintings. And while I know that was the limitations of the time I thought the film could have been better served if it shot location on real streets.

However that somehow works for me in BR. Perhaps it's because it takes place at Christmas time and it lends itself to more of a fantasy/magical element rather the a serious comic book film. I still find BR just as entertaining today as I did back then.

89 Batman is another story. I was so pumped for that film. I was loving all the hype and then I saw it and was let down. The only thing I can compare it with is seeing The Phantom Menace the first time... All this hype all the anticipation and then the film plays and I know it's not very good but I won't admit it to myself even though I know the truth. I can't admit it to anyone else because I would be the fool for being so excited about a film I ended up not liking all that much. Not until a few years go by and I finally can admit what a misstep the film was to me.
 
I feel that the general popularity of Nolan's films have caused some people to dislike them. Need I remind people of the Schumacher era? For those that say TDKR is utter crap, what is your take on Batman and Robin? I can admit myself that I may not enjoy a movie as much when it seems everyone in town has jumped on the bandwagon. Case in point, I don't like The Avengers as much as others. I don't particularly care for it, but there is no way that I say that it's utter crap and that it rivals Elektra. It would amuse me if the next wave of Batman movies are abominations and the Nolan haters come crawling back and claiming that they love the Nolan trilogy.
 
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