Nolan Dark Knight Trilogy (BB/TDK/TDKR)

[Zurdo95D]

He didn't ignore Alfred. He smiled at him.

Besides, did you not see Batman Begins? He left Alfred...and everyone and everything behind for like 8 years. No communication. Alfred declared him dead.

Oh my goodness that ending, I quite liked it. I felt wanting more, to see where Blake would go.

 

[JAWS]

I really liked BB but find its third act to be out of place with the rest of the film.

I actually think the Tone of TDK fits in more with the first two acts of BB then the final act of BB does.

First two acts of BB has the feel of reality. A what if a real billionare went kind a nuts and became the Batman. TDK continued that. BB ending felt more Tim Burton then the rest of the film did.

TDKR has all sorts of issues. Most of them being that it ruined the mythos of Batman... The fact that Batman was only Batman for the equivelent of a year kind of ruins the Batman lore. The fact he went into hiding for however many years was dumb and ruined the character a bit. When my 10 year old son points this out it is an obvious problem.

Remember how TDK ended with Gordon's speech and the visions we had of the futher adventures Batman was going to have with the police after him while he fights crime.. WHen all he did was run away and hide

Film had many other issues also but they have all beein covered.

TDK is the best of the series IMO. BB is great but I really am not a huge fan of the final act. I would say that TDK is still tops for comic films. But in all honesty TDKR sort of ruins the other two films.. I cant watch them both and enjoy them as much as I use to knowing how it all comes to an end.

 

[Wor-Gar]

When Joker isn't on screen, TDK is tedious. And Two-Face is as ridiculous as BB's final act or TDKR as a whole.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

When Joker isn't on screen, TDK is tedious.

That's basically every Batman movie that doesnt have the Joker in it.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

The fact that Batman was only Batman for the equivelent of a year kind of ruins the Batman lore.

Not if you consider the physical damaged he sustained in the 3 movies. That's realistic.

The fact he went into hiding for however many years was dumb and ruined the character a bit.

He got the job done when he went in exile unlike Luke Skywalker, and for the Dent act to work, Batman needed to remain a "villain", so exile was the logical option. Blame TDK for that outcome. Add the physical damage, depression because of Rachel's death, and it's not very hard to imagine him in exile. Even Gordon was not needed anymore in the beginning of TDKR because the Dent act was so successful.

 

[YoNoSe]

I agree about BB, but it's my favorite of the three. The third act is indeed atrocious. I've thought TDK was a chore since my first viewing. I like Ledger's performance but it's obviously rehearsed and arch, IMO. I find TDKR to be an enjoyable, terrible mess. Like Taco Bell Mexican Pizza.

Honestly I find Nolan puzzlingly overrated. There is just the faintest hint of humanity to his characters and a mechanical quality to their journeys (maybe this is why I enjoy Westworld so much... >Nolan has finally found his wheelhouse in robots struggling with humanity). Only The Prestige captures some authentic pathos, mostly in Rebecca Hall's role but it's enough to anchor the eccentric male characters.
I still don't understand why either of those guys was interested in Rachel in TDK.

I should mention I've not seen Memento or Dunkirk.

 

[JAWS]

Not if you consider the physical damaged he sustained in the 3 movies. That's realistic.



He got the job done when he went in exile unlike Luke Skywalker, and for the Dent act to work, Batman needed to remain a "villain", so exile was the logical option. Blame TDK for that outcome. Add the physical damage, depression because of Rachel's death, and it's not very hard to imagine him in exile. Even Gordon was not needed anymore in the beginning of TDKR because the Dent act was so successful.

Yeah it is a bit more realistic.. But it ruins the character for me.. I mean lets face it.. These films have a reality feel but are not fully reality... The Dent act could exist with Batman still doing some crime fighting... I mean there are times in the comics when he is wanted by the law but it still fighting crime.. As for Rachel.. Get over it... She was not even that good looking or interesting.

For me personally it ruins my enjoyment of the series. I know its the "Nolan Batman Universe" but I just don't like that he was only the Batman for like a year.. Just a personal thing. If TDKR was a better film then perhaps I could look past it.. Or if it did not end with his "death" and he was still the Batman then perhaps I would be a bit more OK with it. As is it ruins my enjoyment of the first two.

 

[JAWS]

When Joker isn't on screen, TDK is tedious. And Two-Face is as ridiculous as BB's final act or TDKR as a whole.

I don't agree.. I find Bruce Wayne's character interesting. Its one of the things that I think the BB and TDK does very well. I am actually interested in the film when Wayne is on screen. I have no issue with Two Face... Its a bit tacked on but I thought it was done well.. Should have never killed him though.

Why do you find him ridiculous??

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

The Dent act could exist with Batman still doing some crime fighting...

If Batman fights crime, it contradicts the lie and the cover up. It raises questions and doubt. He had to remain a criminal in the public's eye as well as the authorities for the Dent act to work. Movie logic, not realistic...but neither is Batman.

I mean there are times in the comics when he is wanted by the law but it still fighting crime.. .

But there was no Dent act in the comics.

 

[punisher1974]

Yeah it is a bit more realistic.. But it ruins the character for me.. I mean lets face it.. These films have a reality feel but are not fully reality... The Dent act could exist with Batman still doing some crime fighting... I mean there are times in the comics when he is wanted by the law but it still fighting crime.. As for Rachel.. Get over it... She was not even that good looking or interesting.

For me personally it ruins my enjoyment of the series. I know its the "Nolan Batman Universe" but I just don't like that he was only the Batman for like a year.. Just a personal thing. If TDKR was a better film then perhaps I could look past it.. Or if it did not end with his "death" and he was still the Batman then perhaps I would be a bit more OK with it. As is it ruins my enjoyment of the first two.

As far as Rachel maybe Bruce was really struggling with the fact that she had so much Plastic surgery she looked like another woman completely. Maybe that put doubt into him.

 

[JAWS]

If Batman fights crime, it contradicts the lie and the cover up. It raises questions and doubt. He had to remain a criminal in the public's eye as well as the authorities for the Dent act to work. Movie logic, not realistic...but neither is Batman.



But there was no Dent act in the comics.

Well then TDKR should have come up with something better "Plot wise" then the Dent act...

Of course Batman basically said blame him (batman) right?? So yeah you are right TDK is to blame also... But even Gordon did not like the fact that Batman just disappeared... Yes because of the Dent act.. But again I think a better plot idea could have still cleaned up crime with the Batman being a part of it.

I still contend just make a better 3rd film and none of it would matter to me.


Its the Nolanverse and not the true Batman universe... I get that.. I just don't like aspects of it

 

[JAWS]

As far as Rachel maybe Bruce was really struggling with the fact that she had so much Plastic surgery she looked like another woman completely. Maybe that put doubt into him.

Some bad plastic surgery on top of that also.

 

[Zurdo95D]

As far as Rachel maybe Bruce was really struggling with the fact that she had so much Plastic surgery she looked like another woman completely. Maybe that put doubt into him.

I'm sorry but I lost it and fell off my seat laughing

 

[ShadowX81]

Well then TDKR should have come up with something better "Plot wise" then the Dent act...

Of course Batman basically said blame him (batman) right?? So yeah you are right TDK is to blame also... But even Gordon did not like the fact that Batman just disappeared... Yes because of the Dent act.. But again I think a better plot idea could have still cleaned up crime with the Batman being a part of it.

I still contend just make a better 3rd film and none of it would matter to me.


Its the Nolanverse and not the true Batman universe... I get that.. I just don't like aspects of it

I also never liked how years later in TDKR the Dent act was considered an immoral scam just because the original architect of the deal had a criminal past. I could see the bill not passing right after Dent's death because it could look bad politically to support him right after it happened, but the bill turned out to be an unprecidented success in cleaning up Gotham. Years after the fact who cares who originally wrote it? None of it changed the fact that those men in prison all deserved to be there.

 

[punisher1974]

I'm sorry but I lost it and fell off my seat laughing

Glad you found it funny. I never like when they change actors like that in a series. Same in Iron Man. I like Cheadle better than Howard but it takes me out of the movies a bit. I still enjoy them though because after all they are only movies and should not be taken so seriously.

 

[DiFabio]

The Nolan Batflicks are all boring now. Hell, I'm at a point where I feel the same way about the first two Burton movies too, and those had childhood nostalgia going for them.

You reach a certain point where you exhaust all the rewatchability of these big movies. There's nothing to learn, rediscover or come back to because things like the trivia, behind the scenes stuff, etc. have all been discussed and viewed ad nausea. I mean look, there's a discussion going on and jokes about Rachel Dawes that could be lifted from any discussion board on the internet 11 years ago.

I'll always love a few stand out scenes like the ninja training stuff with Liam Neeson in Begins or the Bank Heist and interrogation Joker scenes in TDK, but I'm never going to have the same feelings or excitement I had for this stuff when it was 2008, 2009. It's just not there.

 

[RIDDICK]

You reach a certain point where you exhaust all the rewatchability of these big movies. There's nothing to learn, rediscover or come back to because things like the trivia, behind the scenes stuff, etc. have all been discussed and viewed ad nausea.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I have no issue with Two Face... Why do you find him ridiculous??

Because he's impossible in Nolan's deliberately realistic world.

Nolan should have done the exact opposite of what he said: instead of Harvey refusing drugs, he should have been so overly-amped up that I would believe he could survive the pain of his deformity AND it would aid in the believability of his sudden psychopathic behavior.

 

[filip629]

I loved BB and TDK. TDKR will always be a monumental let down for me. It was a HUGE disappointment.

 

[DiFabio]

Because he's impossible in Nolan's deliberately realistic world.

Nolan should have done the exact opposite of what he said: instead of Harvey refusing drugs, he should have been so overly-amped up that I would believe he could survive the pain of his deformity AND it would aid in the believability of his sudden psychopathic behavior.

Yup, along with the skin grafts that were mentioned too.

The CGI burn face with the exposed eyeball, skull and those gaping holes in his head is just too extreme and cartoony.

The conceptual stuff was much better. The character would have looked much sadder and more pathetic as opposed to the full on Terminator 3 thing the final product ended up being.