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Violence as a form of political expression has been around far longer than the modern left/right divide.

Thank you Confucius. I didn't know. I thought for sure that violence began in 1793 when the French Revolution went to hell. I had always thought of the entire remainder of human history as a pacifist Eden with lots of bunnies and other assorted happy ^^^^.

In modern political history, in the countries where property rights, relatively private banking, and objective law were the dominant features of the culture, the use of terrorist violence to affect change was overwhelmingly a Leftist tactic. Starting with the execution of Louis XIV, moving through the socialist and anarchist riots, assassinations and bombings of the 19th century, climaxing first with the Bolsheviks in 1917, then with the post-WWI Italian, Spanish and German fascists (alleged to be right-wing, but only if you were standing amongst the communist left), and later the Palestinian movement out of the late 60's, the New Left of the early 70's (Weathermen, Black Panthers, etc.), all of the satellite international groups trained by the Soviets in the 80's (IRA, Italian Red Brigades, Action Directe, Japanese Red Army, Baader-Meinhoff, etc.), and ultimately the modern 'progressive' anarchist, feminist, environmentalist, multiculturalist post-modern community action movements. Through that entire history, right-wing violence has been completely reactionary and marginal, and none of it has been motivated by the ideals of the original target of leftist 'direct action', i.e., capitalism. All right-wing movements have risen out of racist, fundamentalist religious or nationalist ideology--ideologies cut from the same philosophical cloth as the radical left.
 
Its talking about MARGINAL tax rates - i.e. the effective tax rate you earn on each additional dollar.

Yep. I misread the chart.

The ATR press release is about as partisan as you can get. But the Wall Street Journal piece is interesting - not least because the WSJ editorial page seemed to endorse the Obama plan two months ago! It will be interesting to see how this plays out over the next few days.
 
Thank you Confucius. I didn't know. I thought for sure that violence began in 1793 when the French Revolution went to hell. I had always thought of the entire remainder of human history as a pacifist Eden with lots of bunnies and other assorted happy ^^^^.

Perhaps you meant something else when you wrote: "The Left pioneered violence as a form of political expression." I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt instead of assuming you were just talking out of one side of your mouth to score a point. Silly me! :peace
 
Considering that 'the Left' as well as 'the Right' are features of modern political thought, I assumed that you'd be able to see past an opportunity to condescend and not need it explained to you.
 
Considering that 'the Left' as well as 'the Right' are features of modern political thought, I assumed that you'd be able to see past an opportunity to condescend and not need it explained to you.

The labels are modern but what they represent is not. Your juvenile thirst for point scoring makes you look silly - not to mention a little creepy in the Internet stalker way.
 
I still want to know if barbelith is really a hot chick. This would change the complex of the entire debate for me. (And yes I am that shallow) :lol
 
More grist for the mill (including their economist endorsement chart):

https://econ4obama.blogspot.com/2008/08/obamas-tax-plan-and-basic-honesty.html

I'm not prepared to get into the marginal tax rate well just yet; I need to do some more reading into the specifics of his plan and how the credits shake out. But I would be very interested to learn how many here actually take marginal rates into account when considering a promotion or new job.
 
Aren't you one of the guys who thinks Sarah Palin is hot? Your judgment might be suspect. :)
I wouldn't call her "hot" at all. There are much better looking women out there and people are just wound-up because she's a VP candidate that doesn't look like a total gargoyle. But she's definitely a fairly attractive "cougar" and has that sexy librarian thing going on. I'd hit it. :monkey3

Try simmer down,it just sounds better.:D
You know what, you're exactly right. :lol I missed out on a nice pun.
 
I wouldn't call her "hot" at all. There are much better looking women out there and people are just wound-up because she's a VP candidate that doesn't look like a total gargoyle. But she's definitely a fairly attractive "cougar" and has that sexy librarian thing going on. I'd hit it. :monkey3


You know what, you're exactly right. :lol I missed out on a nice pun.

Get em next time. ;)
 
There are much better looking women out there and people are just wound-up because she's a VP candidate that doesn't look like a total gargoyle.

I know we disagree politically, but you're all right, Irish. :banana

There's always the chance that Southern California is home to more than one progressively minded, elitist fop.

I'm sure it's home to millions. Progressively minded. Check. Elitist in the sense that we should demand the best of the best for public service. Check. Fop ... um, when have you seen what I'm wearing?! :horror
 
It was a guess. Mostly based on the tone of voice, and predeliction for the same rhetorical airs. Tim Roth dressed like that in Rob Roy. I figured you all did.
 
Obama will win this election, and people who are successful will have their wealth distributed to people who don't want to work. That's his tax plan, plain and simple. He's even said so much. So what would encourage people to become successful if they are just going to be taxed 48% if not more for their troubles. It doesn't matter who wins, we are in for a hard 4 years.
 
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