Obi-Wan's Production Photos Posted

[tomandshell]

I think it's time for a group hug:

 

[IrishJedi]

I hate you.

 

[Batty]

Tom, we don't need photos of what you and your friends do.

 

[galactiboy]

I think Sideshow typically does great jobs on their paint apps... sometimes they come out a bit weird, but usually do look better in person. DID is another company I think that does exceptional work on their faces... and at a $50-$60 price range (depending on the figure)

 

[Khev]

I think it's time for a group hug:

Heh, Yoda looks like he's about to lose his lunch in response to that pic.

 

[Andy Bergholtz]

I hate to chime in like this.... But I have to admit that comparing the bulk of Sideshow's production work to a figure with a generic face (like all the examples posted) is a bit like comparing apples and oranges.

Not to discount the quality of DID, BBI, Dragon, etc, (because their work is indeed top notch), but sculpting, painting, and mass-producing generic faces is exponentially easier than replicating an exact likeness. Heck, just look at Sideshow's catalogue of generic-faced figures (military, etc), and you'll see a long list of figures who's production paintjobs have received very little (if any) critiques or complaints by collectors.

I'm all for the Sideshow v.s. Everyone Else quality debate, but I'd love to see some more comparable examples... Maybe someone can post some images of other actor/actress likenesses that have been done by other 1:6 companies, that make SS's attempts in question look so inferior (and I'm not talking about polystone or busts, I'm talking 1:6 PVC/vinyl heads)? I'm not trying to be a smartass, I'm really just curious....

 

[IrishJedi]

Andy, as someone who has been VERY vocal about my disappointment with how Obi-Wan apparently turned out in production I want to state again, for the record, that my complaints deal directly with the factory paint apps.

Your sculpt is immaculate. In fact, that just makes the lesser paint job worse because the SDCC prototype showed how spot-on the likeness is and what we're missing with the finished production piece.

Keep up the tremendous work, man! :chew

 

[FlyAndFight]

I hate to chime in like this.... But I have to admit that comparing the bulk of Sideshow's production work to a figure with a generic face (like all the examples posted) is a bit like comparing apples and oranges....

Andy, no one is questioning the amazing Sideshow sculpts or even comparing the sculpts to DML/BBI's (I've mentioned that in my previous posts as well.) It was the paint applications that were being used as comparisions.

 

[IrishJedi]

Andy, no one is questioning the amazing Sideshow sculpts or even comparing the sculpts to DML/BBI's (I've mentioned that in my previous posts as well.) It was the paint applications that were being used as comparisions.

Exactly. The SSC sculptors are doing a bang-up job (especially Andy, not to brown nose... it's just true). They're holding up their end of the bargain. It's the painters in the factory that need to be slapped.

Andy won't and can't say anything likewise for obvious reasons. But if I were him the finished Anakin and Obi-Wan production heads would piss me off, because they do not truly showcase how great the sculpts and likenesses are.

 

[Andy Bergholtz]

For the record, my post is definitely directed at the paint issues/comparisons people have been making... I only mentioned the sculpt as a side point (to emphasize that the entire process of creating a likeness figure is more complicated than a generic figure). But my original statement is definitely focused on the paint, and my question still stands.....

 

[Mortar Conn]

Honestly, jlcmsu, would it be possible for you to not have to post quotes of entire threads just to answer with your own illogical replies? If you can state your own opinions with intelligent and coherent responses, there would not be a need to post endless quotes of others.

You of course failed to see the irony in my post. I just gave you a piece of your own medicine when calling YOUR opinion as being funny. You, of course, took offense, failing to see the obvious hipocracy in your own posts.

But it's time to move on, back to the topic at hand. (by the way, the following is not directed at you, jlcmsu, so no need to take it personal...)

The fact of the matter is that there are a significant number of customers that are disappointed with the production photos of Obi-Wan, which are clearly different than what has been advertised (website, SDCC, etc...) prior. These same people have shared their disappointment and the best responses that have come up have been:

A. At least it's better than Hasbro's...

B. What do you expect for a $60 item?...

C. You can repaint it yourself...

D. Just be glad we're getting them in the first place...

E. If you want something better, then move up to the PF line...

F. Obi-Wan is cool. Star Wars is cool. Sideshow is cool.

All of the above are fine and dandy but don't address the honest concerns that many have about this figure specifically and the line in general.

As for me, personally, I can live with the darker paint apps, I can live with the monkey arms, the arms falling off, tight-fitting vests and plum-red lipstick colors, but I should be able to voice my concerns in the hope that SS will address those same concerns, perhaps in future releases. I think it worked with Sith Anakin, who's arm hasn't fallen off yet and who came with a decent shade of lipstick. That alone makes these posts worthwhile, in my opinion.

Oh yeah and DML/BBI prototype vs. production paint apps = DML/BBI/DID >>>>> Sideshow

 

[IrishJedi]

For the record, my post is definitely directed at the paint issues/comparisons people have been making... I only mentioned the sculpt as a side point (to emphasize that the entire process of creating a likeness figure is more complicated than a generic figure). But my original statement is definitely focused on the paint....

Well, whether we agree with you on the production paint apps debate or not one irrefutable fact remains: your sculpts kick ass. :maul

 

[Andy Bergholtz]

lol, thanks Irish!

 

[abake]

That's a very interesting point Andy, and thanks for chiming in!

But I have to disagree somewhat.
I am, of course, speaking from my own preferences and point of view, which differ from others, but here it goes...

What I do like about the better sculpts/paint apps of DML, BBI and DID is the use of paint. It seems to be much thinner, letting the detailing of the sculpts come out better. Also, their use of shading and the blending of hairlines and skin look better. To me, that has nothing to do with it being a generic or well known face. It's just a matter of technique and production choices.
I've yet to see a better likeness of Luke, Anakin (well, maybe triad's sculpt, but I don't know if that will ever be released to a mass market), Mace, Obi Wan or even Han (which I cancelled because I wasn't satisfied with the likeness)! It's just paint apps that are not enhancing the great sculpts, but unfortunately actually hampering them.
The other point is that there isn't such a drastic difference from prototype to final production in DML, BBI and DID.

So, unfortunately, I can't give you any examples of 1/6, mass produced well known characters with better paint apps, but to me that isn't really the point.
Again, thanks for chiming in!

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

I'm amazed we haven't seen a single in hand pic yet. Don't the Asian folks usually get these figures ahead of the US?

 

[NASEDO]

We had the same problem with PF Han Solo, he looked amazing until we got the real thing. Big letdown.

 

[The Josh]

Honestly, jlcmsu, would it be possible for you to not have to post quotes of entire threads just to answer with your own illogical replies? If you can state your own opinions with intelligent and coherent responses, there would not be a need to post endless quotes of others.

Why does the way I post bother you? Honestly? If I take the time to do that instead of 5-6 posts in a row why is that a big deal. Illogical huh? You're real good at tossing out insults yet you seem to want to damn me for stuff that isn't there. So I'm stupid and lack the ability to post things that make sense? Again, way to toss out insults. You are truly a stand up guy and a absolute class act. :rollseyes

Fly plain and simple. You're a dick. Put me on ignore and get off my damn back. Honestly reading your posts make me sick. You're a class act cry baby and rude. Not sure who the bigger troll is you or poggle.

You of course failed to see the irony in my post. I just gave you a piece of your own medicine when calling YOUR opinion as being funny. You, of course, took offense, failing to see the obvious hipocracy in your own posts.

No, yours was meant as an insult to me. I am not attacking you personally when I say that I find something someone says "laughable" or whatever. I only say stuff like that to show it might be a tad extreme. Where as what you did was a blatant personal attack which you seem to be on with me. You're being a total troll and a dick.

 

[abake]

Can't you guys drop it?
We got a great opportunity to talk to Andy here... stop *****ing.

 

[Andy Bergholtz]

...Also, their use of shading and the blending of hairlines and skin look better. To me, that has nothing to do with it being a generic or well known face...

That's not necessarily true... You'd be surprised how well those shading techniques, etc, might work against a likeness. For instance, a lot of the 'blended hairlines' shown in the examples look nice, but on a likeness of an actor (who might have a distinct, characteristic hairline), it would just look like accidental 'overspray'.

Not that I disagree with you completely.... I do agree that the thinner a factory can get the paintjob, the better (in most cases).

But I have to still stand by my original point... Until I see another 1:6 likeness with one of these all-mighty paintjobs, I'm still not convinced.

(just my opinion, I'm completely open minded.... just waiting for some evidence to counter my viewpoint)

 

[IrishJedi]

I'm amazed we haven't seen a single in hand pic yet. Don't the Asian folks usually get these figures ahead of the US?

This surprises me as well, though some U.S. customers (in Calfornia) should start noticing the arrival of Obi-Wan on the doorsteps any time now.