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From what I've seen, a lot of so called poor HT figures were the product of poor photography. Alice turned out fine and most others that I haven't liked have been down to the subject rather than the quality of what HT, and indeed Hollywood, did with them. Yulli's portraits of Bruce are definite growers and Ahgnus showed you just needed the right hair to lift them to true greatness. Whether or not he can do the same with the BD GOD remains to be seen, though I have a feeling it'll take more than hair.

For the price you pay these days we should, perhaps wrongly sometimes, expect things to be as good as they can be, and again most nitpicks are more down to photography of the subject rather than what can be seen in hand. Blown up photos are never the best way to promote anything that has a specific scale as we just won't see it like that when the actual piece comes out. An actual sized pic will do just nicely.

Aside from overpriced 1/43 Ferraris EB doesn't have much else going for it now. The Leon sculpt is well detailed and painted, but, it falls down on the one thing it shouldn't and that is looking like Jean Reno. That is down to the moulding and casting and not the talent of the sculptor or the talents of any photographer. The RM-4's are decent enough, but, again there have been issues during manufacturing.

When you look at the production credits of an HT figure, you can see that the original artist has overseen each part of the process. Moulding, painting, tailoring..

If you look at EB's QC record you can see that it's out of the original artists' hands once it leaves their hands. (Hence Arnie's disappointment with their work on his sculpts.) A lot of dissatisfaction with HT figures seems to end when people have them in hand, with EB that's where it begins.

From personal experience, the feel and quality of the RM-4 gear left a lot to be desired next to even TTL clothing. Also, I don't like the chances of the RM-X's rubber holding up well over time. If production costs go up, the quality of the materials used will go down, which will lead to more poor QC and less product satisfaction. The increased prices we've seen are not due to increased quality, they are just to maintain any quality at all. Certain costs have to be cut and we're starting to see where. When Bruce production was at its peak they weren't making so many and costs were enough to provide quality where needed. Popularity and the rise of HT led to them wanting to do more and something had to give.

Arnie Kim and Bruce Lee were what built Enterbay, they lost one and will soon lose the other......
 
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Honestly like I already stated before, Im only gonna collect Arnie Bruce Lees.

All hail the man who embodies the spirit of Bruce Lee in his sculpts...
 
Alice turned out okay, not great by any stretch as there are still many who don't feel that has a good Milla likeness. The next few Mila's will make this one look bad. Superman looks bad, Indy looks AWFUL, Thor came out mediocre at best, DX Bats & Comedian leak like a sieve and Hot Toys did nothing to help the customers who shelled out hundreds for those figures. I can go on and on about HT but it's really pointless b/c people just overlook the crap and dwell on the success.

Both EB & HT have strength's and weaknesses, and HT currently has many more strengths. QC has always been an Achilles heel for EB so idk why that is being brought up for the millionth time, but neither company is stranger to QC issues.

I'm in the camp that feels Yulli and other artists can and will capture Bruce just as well as Arnie has in the past. I won't limit myself to only Arnie offerings and then pay absurd prices just b/c his name is on it. Idc if it's done by John Jones Junior the 27th, if the sculpt looks great I'll buy it. From what I gather axe personally knows Arnie so his opinion is understandably biased.
 
I think the fact that HT brings out so many figures from so many licenses means that the failures are easily lost in the chatter. HT tend to nail the big releases too, so flaws in less popular figures get overlooked. And with the exception of DX02, the issues with the older figures get easily dismissed because a relatively small proportion of people on this board have been collecting long enough to have picked them up in the first place.

EB suffers because they only release a small number of figures, so any problems will be amplified. It only takes a single GoD debacle in a year and it's back to square one for them trying to convince collectors they're not a bunch of hacks.

The other issue is price. For quite a while HT were a LOT cheaper than either EB or Medicom, so people looked at a $130 from HT and cut it a lot of slack next to a $200+ figure from EB. With HT prices really creeping up and practically in line with EB, I don't think HT will continue to get the free ride from many collectors that they have been to date.
 
Why so funny, have you seen Leon? Excellent prototype, poorly moulded production sculpt. BD GOD anyone!?

They've lost their wingmen to HT and will flounder soon if they don't stop chasing ghosts and make the best of what they do have while they still have it.

The Lee license = unending money press
It'll have to be pried from the cold dead hands of 'CEO Bill'

Hence my use of :rotfl:rotfl:rotfl
 
I think the fact that HT brings out so many figures from so many licenses means that the failures are easily lost in the chatter. HT tend to nail the big releases too, so flaws in less popular figures get overlooked. And with the exception of DX02, the issues with the older figures get easily dismissed because a relatively small proportion of people on this board have been collecting long enough to have picked them up in the first place.

EB suffers because they only release a small number of figures, so any problems will be amplified. It only takes a single GoD debacle in a year and it's back to square one for them trying to convince collectors they're not a bunch of hacks.

The other issue is price. For quite a while HT were a LOT cheaper than either EB or Medicom, so people looked at a $130 from HT and cut it a lot of slack next to a $200+ figure from EB. With HT prices really creeping up and practically in line with EB, I don't think HT will continue to get the free ride from many collectors that they have been to date.
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I'm in the camp that feels Yulli and other artists can and will capture Bruce just as well as Arnie has in the past. I won't limit myself to only Arnie offerings and then pay absurd prices just b/c his name is on it. Idc if it's done by John Jones Junior the 27th, if the sculpt looks great I'll buy it. From what I gather axe personally knows Arnie so his opinion is understandably biased.

Heyo Its not like I want to buy Arnie cause I know him (I hardly do enough to call it 'personally' yes but I do chat with him time to time on Facebook chat, even with Bill from Enterbay whenever I get the chance) My only deal to collect Arnie figures is the Bruce market at this time, the best have come undoubtedly from Arnie and with each sculpt its clear his ability has honed much ahead of others. Others can nail it too but as you can see I know when Im buying an Arnie release in the future, it cant go wrong atleast in the likeness department.

Also another thing that influenced my decision greatly is the OCD of a common thread/uniformity in my collection. I used to be very eager about owning the 3 different Lees from 3 great sculpt artists, (which I did eventually) but somehow all three looked so different due to different time frames and companies that the OCD in me screamed for some parity. I chose the sculptor who did Lee most of his career...

Having said that, any sculptor who can nail the likeness of Lee like Arnie is doing with his most recent sculpts, will get my money...
 
i would buy from any of the the above if bruce's likeness was nailed.even though my BL figures are EB if the price was good, likeness.body clothing etc i wouldnt hesitate at either company.
i wish sometimes they would disscard the extra's and release just a figure at a more reasonable price,yes dioramas are nice but the sole purpose of owning a BL figure IS the figure..just my opinion guys
 
Alice turned out okay, not great by any stretch as there are still many who don't feel that has a good Milla likeness. The next few Mila's will make this one look bad. Superman looks bad, Indy looks AWFUL, Thor came out mediocre at best, DX Bats & Comedian leak like a sieve and Hot Toys did nothing to help the customers who shelled out hundreds for those figures. I can go on and on about HT but it's really pointless b/c people just overlook the crap and dwell on the success.

Both EB & HT have strength's and weaknesses, and HT currently has many more strengths. QC has always been an Achilles heel for EB so idk why that is being brought up for the millionth time, but neither company is stranger to QC issues.

I'm in the camp that feels Yulli and other artists can and will capture Bruce just as well as Arnie has in the past. I won't limit myself to only Arnie offerings and then pay absurd prices just b/c his name is on it. Idc if it's done by John Jones Junior the 27th, if the sculpt looks great I'll buy it. From what I gather axe personally knows Arnie so his opinion is understandably biased.

Thor was just awful period and there is still hope for Indy. Other QC issues can be amplified by one rant with people jumping on the bandwagon with more minor nits they've found. For every few that were bad there must be hundreds more that were good.

HT will grow and grow with the talent they have on hand right now. Now Arnie is on board I'm unsure as to whether we'll see a Bruce from anyone else. He will be happier that his job won't begin and end the moment his sculpt leaves his studio. He also knows that his wingman JC Hong won't let bad paint ruin his work.

Greater creative control is what EB need to give their teams. Every part of the process should be overseen by those that can do it the best.

I think the fact that HT brings out so many figures from so many licenses means that the failures are easily lost in the chatter. HT tend to nail the big releases too, so flaws in less popular figures get overlooked. And with the exception of DX02, the issues with the older figures get easily dismissed because a relatively small proportion of people on this board have been collecting long enough to have picked them up in the first place.

EB suffers because they only release a small number of figures, so any problems will be amplified. It only takes a single GoD debacle in a year and it's back to square one for them trying to convince collectors they're not a bunch of hacks.

The other issue is price. For quite a while HT were a LOT cheaper than either EB or Medicom, so people looked at a $130 from HT and cut it a lot of slack next to a $200+ figure from EB. With HT prices really creeping up and practically in line with EB, I don't think HT will continue to get the free ride from many collectors that they have been to date.

Very true, and well put.

The Lee license = unending money press
It'll have to be pried from the cold dead hands of 'CEO Bill'

Hence my use of :rotfl:rotfl:rotfl

Bill lost his prime sculptor, unless anyone else can do that legacy true justice then he should accept whatever HT can offer him, which will be substantial!

Heyo Its not like I want to buy Arnie cause I know him (I hardly do enough to call it 'personally' yes but I do chat with him time to time on Facebook chat, even with Bill from Enterbay whenever I get the chance) My only deal to collect Arnie figures is the Bruce market at this time, the best have come undoubtedly from Arnie and with each sculpt its clear his ability has honed much ahead of others. Others can nail it too but as you can see I know when Im buying an Arnie release in the future, it cant go wrong atleast in the likeness department.

Also another thing that influenced my decision greatly is the OCD of a common thread/uniformity in my collection. I used to be very eager about owning the 3 different Lees from 3 great sculpt artists, (which I did eventually) but somehow all three looked so different due to different time frames and companies that the OCD in me screamed for some parity. I chose the sculptor who did Lee most of his career...

Having said that, any sculptor who can nail the likeness of Lee like Arnie is doing with his most recent sculpts, will get my money...

Sounds sensible to me, if you collect Bruce then you're going to want the figures to look as much like him as possible.

i would buy from any of the the above if bruce's likeness was nailed.even though my BL figures are EB if the price was good, likeness.body clothing etc i wouldnt hesitate at either company.
i wish sometimes they would disscard the extra's and release just a figure at a more reasonable price,yes dioramas are nice but the sole purpose of owning a BL figure IS the figure..just my opinion guys

Oh definitely, that's why I haven't bought any of the major box sets. Bruce in the suit isn't major next to the DX.
 
well i just made an offer on kato :)..fingers crossed i await a reply.and i too await for future BL'S from either HT or EB.PRICEWISE LIKENESS ETC...GONNA BE INTERESTING ;)
 
its from a classified ad mate..but its open to sensible offers as its sale time he he..priced £145. (cheap) but i offered a teeny bit less LOL.
 
Ah... Is it the one I found for yah Chris ? I thought it was EUR150 (About GB£130) which included the shipping ?
 
correct gungfu..but im being a bit cheeky and charming as well LOL.
shipping was local..xtra £15 shipped to here. hence the offer ;)
 
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Hehehe... Nice !

Let us know when you close the deal then mate
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Kato is a must I think !
 
Got the Nokia GoD today... love it... repainting some of the parts already though... but AMAZING sculpt man... only thing was the first time I encountered this screw-on head type... seems its on a BL2 body...
 
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