Official NECA Terminator Thread

[snoop101]

Whenever Randy says that John Connor or any other character for that matter wouldn't be profitable they need to post a picture of that box set in response from here on out.

 

[jye4ever]

If they had some T-800, Sarah, and John box set like that you can't say it wouldn't sell.

It would to us die hard geeks but I can also see why ACS got that treament and not T2.

Terminator is primarily known because of Arnold and Cameron, not druggie Furlong.

Furlong's life career destruction doesn't scream action figure like Arnold does.

 

[snoop101]

Who do you think buys NECA figures? Die hard geeks.

 

[DiFabio]

Terminator is primarily known because of Arnold and Cameron, not druggie Furlong.

Furlong's life career destruction doesn't scream action figure like Arnold does.

 

[jye4ever]

Well they all had much longer careers than Furlong.

I mean people still talk about Corbain as if he's still alive while Furlong is alive and no one remembers him.

Also Christmas movies connect big in this country and besides Culkin was friends with the king of pop.

 

[P.]

Terminator is primarily known because of Arnold and Cameron, not druggie Furlong.

Furlong's life career destruction doesn't scream action figure like Arnold does.

i still wouldn't buy figures of Arnold or Cameron because... well because i just don't need figures of them. may be if i was a fan - nah, even then i'd prefer posters with photos of real people, not toys based on them, it would be just weird.
but i'd definitely buy figures of Terminator and his targets.

as for Furlong being not famous - well, who knows today who Kevin Peter Hall was? damn, people think predators are samurai cavemen from comics, so popular that even some movies were made later, as usual with comics.

also i think you're terribly mistaken, because for 99,9(9)% of fanboys terminator is primarily known for being a nice robot father of Furlong character.

so i think this career argument is not valid.

 

[jye4ever]

Well when I say Arnold I really mean Terminator, Dutch, Matrix etc.

While their father son relationship was definately touching it is definately not what Terminator is remembered for, when people discuss Arnold Terminator it always boils down to one damn thing, "I'll be back".

That's all Arnold does now is walk around using his famous quotes in just about everything.

Look I want them to make little Connor but i'm just trying to be realistic here, even Furlong's drug life is not talked about where the paparazzi still follow Culkin to this day!

a-dev has final say in this matter anyways.

 

[P.]

Well when I say Arnold I really mean Terminator, Dutch, Matrix etc.

but you said "Terminator is primarily known because of Arnold and Cameron", not "Terminator is primarily known because of Dutch, Matrix etc".
but ok.
i, for example, have zero care about Dutch, Matrix, etc (especially that commando **** which makes me only puke, so cheap, gay, disgusting and second-hand it is. worse than Arnold's japanese advertisements in matter of acting, definitely his worst movie), compared to terminator characters.

i'd take a JC figure over any Commando stuff in a blink - because i need characters from a movie, not characters by the actor.

While their father son relationship was definately touching it is definately not what Terminator is remembered for, when people discuss Arnold Terminator it always boils down to one damn thing, "I'll be back".

people on this very forum made statements that they either never saw T1 or saw it recently for the first or second time in their life! and it's just one forum, it's not even real life.
in real life while the majority may "remember" the ilbebak, they don't even know where it is from - and believe it's from T2.
i believe that you address to that very majority when explaining that Furlong is nobody. the majority that likes Schwarzenegger movies / Home alone movies / Iron Man movies and recognizes only highly popular roles. but they are those exact people who should recognize the figure, because mercury cop, young boy with a weird haircut and a noble cyborg are the only things they might remember from terminator universe as a whole
or so it was before that complete pile of crap - Gynysys.

 

[jye4ever]

Owl be Back

 

[Kaiju]

While their father son relationship was definately touching it is definately not what Terminator is remembered for, when people discuss Arnold Terminator it always boils down to one damn thing, "I'll be back".

I think you grossly undersell how popular of a movie T2 was. It's the entire reason some little Orion film from 1984 is a franchise now. Video games, theme park rides, etc.

 

[jye4ever]

Yeah maybe I did undersell it quite a bit, T2 especially made big news because of the ILM tech breakthrough and for it being a really good movie backing up all that new cgi tech.

But all these years later the face of it all is Arnold and his quotes.

Now why Newt and not young Connor is the big mystery.

But look at the actress who played Newt, she retired from acting and is still invited back to studio events to hang out with Weaver and Cameron.

 

[MaulFan]

I think it really omes down to interest of NECA as a company. I think the overall team is more excited about Aliens than Terminator so the line sees more effort and more obscure characters simply because they want to.

 

[a-dev]

Well Randy said he 'would love' to make John Connor...again, I hold onto the hope that he's deliberately bull***ting us and that John is actually ready and waiting to go at SDCC maybe.

As DiFabio mentioned though, if that's the case, then he made a minor public spectacle of arguing with a fan over it just to preserve the secret when he could have just stayed silent and let DiFabio fizzle out

 

[jye4ever]

John Connor needs to come with his hacking device, friend, minibike and an arcade machine or else fail.

 

[MaulFan]

I do think Randy enjoys the praise on Twitter and may at times build up the improbability of coming out with something so that when it is finally revealed people think it was a miracle. Some surely are, but others I feel like are possible all along. Kenner made John Connor, it comes with the T2 license.

 

[DiFabio]

John Connor needs to come with his hacking device, friend, minibike and an arcade machine or else fail.

I'd be happy with just his little computer, a removable backpack, the cased Endo arm and maybe the chip vial.

Throw him and those things with a reused Steel Mill Arnold with articulated legs (and maybe a swap out arm) and a cardboard Steel Mill background and I don't see how that would be a poor seller. I think that's worth atleast taking a gamble or risk on. As previously stated, a lot of people weren't following the line in 2009 and were oblivious to the T2 offerings until the T2 Ultimates. They missed out on a ton of great Arnold and T-1000 figures. I don't see what potential customer, hardcore fan or casual shopper, wouldn't want a proper Battle damaged Arnold atleast.

Just as an experiment to test the Terminator market. I don't see how it would hurt NECA. They took gambles on a Ripley that doesn't even look like Sigorney Weaver, a huge ass Predator bike that was heavily discounted and a failure at retail, "slow moving" Kenner Aliens that featured all new sculpts, a little girl in overalls, a Terminator Genisys line that's still shelf warming stores etc. I mean, what if a John Connor is a huge success for them? That could segue to other things like a proper Kyle Reese and/or Future Reese.


From simply a toy perspective, I don't see how the left pair wouldn't be just as successful (or even more successful) than the right.

I think it really omes down to interest of NECA as a company. I think the overall team is more excited about Aliens than Terminator so the line sees more effort and more obscure characters simply because they want to.

I do think Randy enjoys the praise on Twitter and may at times build up the improbability of coming out with something so that when it is finally revealed people think it was a miracle. Some surely are, but others I feel like are possible all along. Kenner made John Connor, it comes with the T2 license.

Yup, pretty much. Especially the latter post. You're exactly right.

I still think John and atleast a Kyle Reese are coming, I just don't understand why he wants to play games and act all coy about it. It just builds up a resentment on twitter. Posting a little text wink or wink emoji or simply not delving into specifics at all for a future figure you have planned isn't going to make you lose potential buyers for said item. Hell, perfect response to someone could just just be to say "maybe" or "we'll see" if you have to answer at all. For all we know, there is a test sample of a finished John Connor being worked on right now and when it finally is released it's going to make all those "not happening", "not likely", "he'd be a poor seller", "we'd like to but it's just not feasible" excuses that have been going on for years a little silly.

If/when John is released and shown off and Randy starts hyping it up as a "FIGURE MIRACLE!", I'm just going to roll my eyes, especially after that back and forth nonsense on twitter.

 

[a-dev]

Nailed it. Also that picture affirms for me that the legs on the Hot Toys bodies are too long for Arnold. Short footpegs needed for all.

Actually can someone on twitter post Difabio's pic to their page or tag them or whatever...y'know, in a ''hint, hint NECA'' kind of way.

 

[DiFabio]

Even Ash from ED2 is getting two new sculpts, accessories, and a new figure as part of a set.

I missed this. Great point. I just got a good look at that Ash with the actual new heads and parts and it's amazing (and also a two pack). It's a shame that the 3 Arnold's and 2 T-1000 figures didn't get that kind of luxury (well, besides the medical scissors, pistol and little John Connor picture I guess).

It sucks that they haven't given Reese this "Ash" treatment. The old figure from 2011 was just okay/borderline mediocre. I was with Maulfan on the likeness. I thought it was pretty good and that the paint apps (mostly in the eyes) brought it down. He really seemed half assed even at the time, especially when you consider what was coming out at the time. Even a year later, the original Ash (all of them) and both Corporal Hicks figures only came out a year later and were far better than that Reese. Oddly enough those two also have superior rereleases for this year before Kyle who really needs one. Reese was originally planned to have super articulated legs, but they cut those out to make him match the Arnolds. The glued down rope to the shot gun was baffling (could have easily assembled it so it could be slung under the shoulder/coat section) and he came with nothing. I wouldn't even count the shot gun as an accessory since it's attached to his body as a permanent fixture. There was no alternate head, no other weapons, no pipe bombs, nothing. The most interesting thing about him was his hidden ab crunch.

If sales were poor on that figure for them to view an Ultimate version of Kyle a risky endeavor that's not worth doing, then I wouldn't blame the customer for lack of sales, I'd put it on NECA for making such a mediocre figure in the first place.






As much as I'd love a Future Reese and an Endo with a better body/build construction, I can see not making them, whatever. A John Connor and updated '84 Kyle Reese are pretty important though. While I'd love a T1 Sarah, I get how untoyetic she'd be. I'm happy to have her character represented with that Sarah Connor (which was "Ultimate" right out of the gate in every sense of the word with all those options). To me, the line is incomplete without John and a better Kyle Reese. If I could just get those two, I'd be happy.

 

[Matt S]

When Mcfarlane had the T2 license and they showed this pic, I almost died and went to Nerd heaven:



Of course, what we got was:



Sigh, back when I lived in Ca and went to the San Diego comic con, one of the Mcfarlane guys boasted about having the prototype 2-up at his place. The jealously that rain through my veins is still felt...lol,

 

[snoop101]

Kyle Reese definitely needs to be re-done. He ended up looking like a who from whoville.