Official "Ridley Scott's Prometheus" Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

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Nope. It sucked way before that. Alien Resurrection killed that franchise.

If anything, AVP jump started interest back up for both the Alien and Predator franchise because of its worldwide success at the box office.

I suppose.

I'd say it started with Alien 3. And then Resurrection, as you said, killed the franchise... AvP caught everyone's attention, then the Strause Brothers nuked everything, literally.

Although Alien 3 is by far my favorite of the franchise, I love Resurrection and believe AvP is not nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be..

 

[dano669]

I suppose.

I'd say it started with Alien 3. And then Resurrection, as you said, killed the franchise... AvP caught everyone's attention, then the Strause Brothers nuked everything, literally.

Although Alien 3 is by far my favorite of the franchise, I love Resurrection and believe AvP is not nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be..

I loved alien3 as well. Was the first I got to see in theatres when I was like 13. Cinemas were very lax about age in those days lol.
Went and saw resurrection and was really disappointed. That new born thing was crap and the whole general idea of the movie.

AvP was one of those ideas that look good on paper, literally the comics were cool. I remember watching the extras and seeing how enthusiatuc the director was and how he claimed to be a core fan of the comics and thinking how can you be that into the movie and ____ it up so bad. But I'm sure it's not all his fault I'm sure fox had a hand in there also. Shame because it had potential.
As for AvP ______ that movie is dead to me.

 

[dano669]

WTF I can't even say ______ on here what about colon

 

[azurepred]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

I loved alien3 as well. Was the first I got to see in theatres when I was like 13. Cinemas were very lax about age in those days lol.
Went and saw resurrection and was really disappointed. That new born thing was crap and the whole general idea of the movie.

AvP was one of those ideas that look good on paper, literally the comics were cool. I remember watching the extras and seeing how enthusiatuc the director was and how he claimed to be a core fan of the comics and thinking how can you be that into the movie and ____ it up so bad. But I'm sure it's not all his fault I'm sure fox had a hand in there also. Shame because it had potential.
As for AvP ______ that movie is dead to me.

I actually didn't like anything about A3. I never found that small as dog Alien to be as big of a threat as it was portrayed in film. I think I actually saw Resurrection before the other Alien movies, so I didn't think too much about it, I liked it when I first saw it because I had nothing else to compare it to. That being said, I don't think A3 was any better than Resurrection. AVP was a great idea, just bad execution in almost all areas and believe it or not, it was AVP-R that got me started into collecting to begin with.

 

[CelticPredator]

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Actually you can, because it doesn't count. Only the official versions of movies are considered canon. That's why the Alien from the 3rd movie is referred to as the "Dog" Alien and not the "Ox" Alien. Deleted scenes, director cuts, etc. regardless if they're shown in a theater or added to a DVD aren't canon. Just like alternate endings (even if they're seen in a theater) aren't canon.

And just so we're clear: I'm not talking about teh Ali3NZ fan fiction that's passed off as canon. Because that ____ is just as stupid and irrelevant as teh PR3dATURDz fan fiction with all that yaujta or whatever garbage.

You cant call a scene that was scripted, filmed, and placed back into a film later, fan fiction....because it's in the movie. You can count it not being canon...but if it came from the filmmakers actual film, not their word, it's not fan fiction.

But that's all semetics.

It's also Scott's movie now...not Cameron's. And Cameron was the one that changed everything, added the Queen, Hive mind...ect...

 

[CelticPredator]

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Nope. It sucked way before that. Alien Resurrection killed that franchise.

If anything, AVP jump started interest back up for both the Alien and Predator franchise because of its worldwide success at the box office.

Truth.

However, the spark of AvP, and AvP-R would be like if someone I knew had a heart attack in front of me, and I defibulated them back to life, and then shot them in the face.

 

[Devil_666]

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Cameron was the one that changed everything, added the Queen, Hive mind...ect...

AND.. he was able to do that because in the original release of Alien i.e. the version that's canon, how Aliens come about was unexplained so it was possible.

And FYI: Ridley Scott decided to make those cuts, so even he doesn't consider any "Director's Cut" as canon.

The traditional definition of the term "Director's Cut" suggests the restoration of a director's original vision, free of any creative limitations. It suggests that the filmmaker has finally overcome the interference of heavy-handed studio executives, and that the film has been restored to its original, untampered form. Such is not the case with Alien: The Director's Cut. It's a completely different beast.

Upon viewing the proposed expanded version of the film, I felt that the cut was simply too long and the pacing completely thrown off. After all, I cut those scenes out for a reason back in 1979. However, in the interest of giving the fans a new experience with Alien, I figured there had to be an appropriate middle ground. I chose to go in and recut that proposed long version into a more streamlined and polished alternate version of the film. For marketing purposes, this version is being called "The Director's Cut". - Ridley Scott

 

[CelticPredator]

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I know. I'm not totally disagreeing with you. Just with a few points.

I'm just saying that it's not made up...it exists. It's not fan fiction.

And this movie is Scott's...and if he wants to make the eggmorphing canon, he can. Because he's Riddles.

That be it.

 

[Devil_666]

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I'm just saying that it's not made up...it exists. It's not fan fiction.

I know, I've seen the scene in question. I never said it was fan fiction either, I was making a comparison between deleted scenes/alternate versions of a movie to fan fiction and saying they're equal in that NEITHER are canon regardless if the majority of fans accept them as such.

 

[CelticPredator]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

I see. We are in agreement now....all is going according to plan....


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[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

I loved alien3 as well. Was the first I got to see in theatres when I was like 13. Cinemas were very lax about age in those days lol.
Went and saw resurrection and was really disappointed. That new born thing was crap and the whole general idea of the movie.

Disagree.. Newborn is one of my favorite Alien creations. It was a marvelous, sexual, mutated, Human/Xenomorph abomination.
Also loved the whole idea of the movie. Ripley cloned 200 years in the future, the odd, unfamiliar characters, Newborn, Gediman, etc.. I do believe it could have been better, though.

Idunno, the whole atmosphere in the movie is just so..incredible. Ripley is accepting the Aliens, she is a part of them now... Oh god, the scene where she's laying in the big biomechanical Alien mess...

@azurepred...
You have to understand A:3 to appreciate it.

Although I do love the Queen, I hope there is no mention of it in Prometheus. Hopefully there is more eggmorphing action, though.

 

[dano669]

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Mate we will have to agree to disagree. That movie just sucked.

But hopefully Prometheus will breathe new life into this series and take us some where that is worth going in the universe that is the Alien franchise

 

[sgt.reese]

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alien 3 just killed the franchise and resurrection just plain sucked.. how do you kill of Hicks, Bishop, and Newt right away. Then kill Ripley then decide to clone her into a half alien half human.. Those two movies destroy what Ridley and Cameron created. The franchise should have continued with its original script following Hicks, Bishop, and Newt and Ripley as a side character. Aliens: Book One and Aliens: Book Two were amazing. Those were originally suppose to be the next two films in the franchise. The only good thing about Alien 3 was the creation of the dog alien. I hope Prometheus brings this franchise back to life and completely erases the horrid 3rd and 4th films

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

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Opinion

Dog Alien is not the only good thing in Alien 3.
IMO, it was the most wonderfully depressing, yet INCREDIBLY POWERFUL movie in the series. The score was also the most powerful of all four films..

This isn't happily ever after/fairy tale crap.. Glad they killed off Newt and Hicks. Did I love the characters? Of course, I loved them all, but they needed to die. This is the most melancholy series around, this is how it's supposed to be.

"You're all going to die, the only question is how you check out. Do you want it on your feet? Or on your ____in knees... Begging. I ain't much for begging, no one ever gave me nothing. So I say ____ this thing. Let's fight it."

^ That, to me, means the following:

Life is horrible. Tis a prison. There is no real hope. But do you want it to take over you? To engulf you? To defeat you? No, you must fight. No matter how painful it becomes, you must fight. You must win, you will win. You will go out fighting, this thing will not defeat you, you will never give in. You have nothing to lose, so risk it all.

If Newt and Hicks had survived, we never would have had that speech. We would never have that atmosphere, that fear, that depression... Oh that delicious xenorific depression...
The power of the Xenomorph would fade away...


Ripley wasn't half'n half. She was more Human. Twas a brilliant idea, amazing way to bring her back. Something no one would have predicted.


Alien 3, and Alien are more closely related than Aliens and Alien. Aliens might have been a better movie than Alien 3, but it did not fully capture the feel of the Xenomorph like Alien 3 did.

 

[Devil_666]

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Yeah.. Alien 3 sucks and Alien Resurrection is complete garbage.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

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Your mom.







...Tis all

 

[Devil_666]

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Yeah.. that pretty much confirms what I was saying: Alien 3 sucks and Alien Resurrection is complete garbage.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

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Your dad?

 

[uscmhicks]

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I've always liked Alien 3. It feels like the first Alien to me.

It's just a pity it wasn't as good. Like many Alien fans I'd like to see the wooden world Alien 3 was supposed to be. Watching the special features of the recent blu ray release just made me want to see it even more.

Still , the rustic enviroment and some what depressing feel of Alien 3 has always been something I've liked and I've mentioned in another thread I prefer monster movies with just one creature usually. I agree on the score also , I really like it.
Also the feeling that even after going through all the trouble of the past two movies there is no hope and Ripley was doomed from the start. Whilst extremely depressing it kind of rounds off the series for me.

Alien Resurrection. Well... whilst I like some of designs and ideas the rest sucks to be fair.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

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^ I also would have preferred the monk/wooden planet idea, that looked incredible.