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as the bush administration tries to lie it's way out of the facts concerning the reasons why oil has reached record setting prices, there are some that are simply refusing to buy that the reason is simply supply and demand. here's a bit of the article:

Sen. Byron Dorgan of North Dakota, one of the Democrats sponsoring the bill, said the quickest way to lower prices at the pump is to stop speculators from driving up the price of a barrel of oil.

"First things first. If you are running a race with hurdles, jump the first hurdle first," Dorgan told reporters Monday. "The reason we have oil at $130, $140, $145 a barrel -- like a roman candle going up, up, up -- is because we have excessive, relentless speculation in these markets.

"Nothing in supply and demand in the last year justifies the price of oil."


and more from house speaker pelosi:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California, said last week that she continues to oppose expanding offshore drilling ban and would not schedule a vote to lift the ban.

"The impression that the White House has given you is that if you could drill in these protected areas, the price of gasoline will come down," Pelosi told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "Even the president in his press conference the other day acknowledged that was not the case."

Pelosi said more drilling would take a decade to have an impact on gas prices, and she argued that a faster way to lower gas prices would be to release oil from the 700 million-barrel Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

Bush has opposed the move, saying oil in the reserve should only be released for national emergencies.


read the rest at:

https://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/22/congress.oil.speculators/index.html
 
can't we just put iron man's chest thingy in everything?
 
I also blame Bush for the death of Jesus

blame is not the reason for this thread. bush insulting everyone's intelligence by having his administration try to explain away the high oil prices as 'supply and demand' is.

oil speculators ARE a big reason why we're paying too much. i applaud senator dorgan for this bill. if there was a better system of checks and balances in place, you'd see a lot of injustices corrected in our government instead of four years and all you can steal.
 
Yet more democrats who want to cripple capitalism. How wonderful.

either you own stock in the oil companies or you enjoy getting screwed at the pump. this is not a democrat/republican debate. high gas prices hurt everyone. america is much more than your own personal party choice. it's thinking like yours that gets absolutely NOTHING done on capital hill.
 
It doesn't take a lot of thought to repost articles either. Why don't you give us some of your solutions beyond criticism of others?

How exactly do you limit speculation? Do you set a horizon limit, or a quantity limit, or some kind of price cap?

In that article itself there is very little nuts and bolts as to how the dems expect to acheive this.

Its all well and good to say "lets limit outrageous speculation" but without knowing what the means for doing it are and whether those means will meddle with the markets its just partisanship to support or fight it.
 
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It doesn't take a lot of thought to repost articles either. Why don't you give us some of your solutions beyond criticism of others?

How exactly do you limit speculation? Do you set a horizon limit, or a quantity limit, or some kind of price cap?

the article quotes were for people to discuss their opinions on the subject. not for people to send their own political agenda messages. they can start their own thread for that. and then you ask me for solutions? ain't nothing gonna fix this abortion cept an apocalypse. :drool :drool :drool
 
the article quotes were for people to discuss their opinions on the subject. not for people to send their own political agenda messages. they can start their own thread for that. and then you ask me for solutions? ain't nothing gonna fix this abortion cept an apocalypse. :drool :drool :drool

:lol Every thread you start reeks with your own political views and agenda...kinda hypocritical of you to make a statement like this isn't it? :confused:
 
the article quotes were for people to discuss their opinions on the subject. not for people to send their own political agenda messages. they can start their own thread for that. and then you ask me for solutions? ain't nothing gonna fix this abortion cept an apocalypse. :drool :drool :drool

I don't really understand this paragraph, so I'll just read it as "I like to post complaints about George Bush, but I really have no desire to post what I think would be better".
 
:lol Every thread you start reeks with your own political views and agenda...kinda hypocritical of you to make a statement like this isn't it? :confused:

the article quotes were for people to discuss their opinions on the subject. not for people to send their own political agenda messages. they can start their own thread for that.

since you're being confrontational, do you need someone to speak slower for you? :lol
 
I don't really understand this paragraph, so I'll just read it as "I like to post complaints about George Bush, but I really have no desire to post what I think would be better".

what can anyone do to correct any problem except vote in another schmuck? but once he's elected, he pays back all the campaign contributors first as he follows his own agenda while forgetting EVERY promise he made to get a vote from the regular.

my solution is to revamp our entire political 2 party system and outlaw the democratic and republican parties. will that ever happen...no. so really, does a solution have to accompany any gripe made in the world? if you don't feel like participating, don't. but don't crush my stones because i choose to. :gun

by the way, it looks like something is being done.

https://money.cnn.com/2008/07/24/markets/cftc/index.htm?cnn=yes
 
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Not to be hostile and crush your stones, but basically your admitting that you're only posting to whine and that this thread is for other people to whine with you, but that you're uninterested in hearing "other people's own political" message. IE, you're not interested in hearing about possible ideas and solutions.

So really, the thread might as well be closed right after the first post.
 
Not to be hostile and crush your stones, but basically your admitting that you're only posting to whine and that this thread is for other people to whine with you, but that you're uninterested in hearing "other people's own political" message. IE, you're not interested in hearing about possible ideas and solutions.

So really, the thread might as well be closed right after the first post.

is discussion always considered whining if you don't have a solution to a problem when starting a thread? discussion about the thread subject, which includes solutions to a posed problem and civil discussion are welcome. posting to say..'yea, and bush killed jesus too' or 'those democrats have nothing else to ^^^^^ about' is focusing on the poster's own political agenda void of the thread subject. they are welcome to start their own thread because i don't think bush killing jesus or democrats ^^^^^ing has anything to do with the oil speculators bill. i hope that explains it.
 
I agree about the lame responses, though my point is that there was not much personal opinion in the original post and would have liked, if the article meant enough to you to repost it here, to see what your thoughts on the subject were.
 
is discussion always considered whining if you don't have a solution to a problem when starting a thread? discussion about the thread subject, which includes solutions to a posed problem and civil discussion are welcome. posting to say..'yea, and bush killed jesus too' or 'those democrats have nothing else to ^^^^^ about' is focusing on the poster's own political agenda void of the thread subject. they are welcome to start their own thread because i don't think bush killing jesus or democrats ^^^^^ing has anything to do with the oil speculators bill. i hope that explains it.

While I understand what your saying when people posting things like you quoted I dont think it is them having a serious personal attack on you Tylerd.The fact is you start so many political/conspiracy and debateable threads that people have learnt to look past it and have a giggle with it, People are just reacting to your threads in humour,the whole 'everything's a conspiracy' statement comes into play and it goes from there.

Airing ones views in a public collectables forum is fine and to be encouraged but to you've been here long enough to know that constantly posting about political debates/oil bills/taxes/government etc in an environment where we generally talk about collectables is bound to end up either very argumentative/heated/locked or just deleted.

Political agendas/conspiracy/religion/oil bills?, save it for your local councillor or political meeting, or just expect if you do start a thread with one of these 'agenda's' it will have varying results/comments/remarks from many members sometimes serious sometimes in humour.

Lets just enjoy this place as a light-hearted public place with people who have similar interest as each other.
x :peace
 
I agree about the lame responses, though my point is that there was not much personal opinion in the original post and would have liked, if the article meant enough to you to repost it here, to see what your thoughts on the subject were.

my opinion has always been that as an elected official, you basically get away with murder. a system of checks and balances that hold individuals personally responsible is what our system only explores when enough people complain about something. the new oil speculators bill and the latest investigations as to why speculators have driven the cost of crude oil to previously unreached levels is exactly what i was looking for. i'm happy to see that at least someone is getting heat about this big economic problem. i don't know if my opinion holds solutions but i never claimed to be an answer man. i do think that this mystery of skyrocketing gas prices may have some light shed on it soon though.
 
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