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Free will versus determinism is the difference of whether humans are properly free, or properly ruled.

And no, it's not an irreconcilable difference of opinion, just as there are not infinite possibilities.
 
I don't recall you ever tearing it to shreds. There is only one possible future in a totally physically based system. Randomness cannot exist in it. Any "random" number generator" has a design. That design determines what the outcome will be. It might be more complicated than someone could consciously understand well enough to know it isn't really random, but it still isn't random.
A totally physical universe would be like one massive computer program. There is only one possible outcome at any given moment, unless acted upon by an outside force. The player is that outside force. You could also insert a generator inside of it that starts its sequence based upon the time, or if more advanced, the temperature, the humidity, the atmospheric pressure, ect. Perhaps you could design each circuit to be a little different, to make certain connections happen more often, or make outcomes happen based upon electricity spikes in your power.
You cannot have free will in a fully contained system from which all things in it originated as a result of everything that happened in that system with all of the materials and therefore the limitations in it.

The idea of a totally physical reality and free will are mutually exclusive.
You cannot logically have both.
Everything in a system is interconnected and affects everything else.
Nothing in a totally physical universe can be totally independent from anything else. Everything affects it and determines it's ultimate outcome.

Souls are intelligences that exist independently from the system and thus can resist many influences in the environment. In a totally physical universe, nothing is independent.


You can only have an independent consciousness in a system if your consciousness was created independently from it.

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There are infinite possibilities when people start discussing the soul, afterlife, God, etc. Free will vs. no free will again has no relevance on people unless they decide to let the question, for which there is no answer at this time, bother them. We either have free will or at least the illusion of free will. Who cares? Why should I care? Because I may be ruled by something if my free will us only an illusion? Oh noes. It's not worth my time to examine further.
 
I like it, but it should be, "America jr., only more betterer."

:rotfl

What part in Canada are you located? I used to live in Hamilton, Ontario many years ago. But, it's practically the worst city in the entire country :monkey1.

I really want to visit Vancouver on of these days.
 
From what I hear through the grapevine blackthorne is really the most idiotic poster to be on this site or he is the worlds greatest troll. I feel bad for him if he actually truly believes what he says. Granted this is just one thread I have paid attention to that he posts/posted in.
 
He's by no means an idiot. Smarter people have believed in stupider things.

Maybe I should say idiotic beliefs? I'm sorry, but saying that the baby's soul might have been into being raped and killed and thats why she chose the mother is not an idiotic belief I guess I don't know what is :dunno
 
Don't get wrong. I think his beliefs are certifiable.

It's not necessarily one's beliefs that makes one an idiot :dunno

If by idiocy, you mean the depths of their irrationality, then no doubt. But it takes a certain amount of horsepower to dig one's self that deep.
 
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What part in Canada are you located? I used to live in Hamilton, Ontario many years ago. But, it's practically the worst city in the entire country :monkey1.

I really want to visit Vancouver on of these days.

I did unfortunately have to stay just outside Hamilton for 6 months. It was at a time in my life when I didn't know how to make the best of a bad situation either *shudder*. I've been living in London for the past few years. It's a nice city. People call my area the ghetto and the street behind my house is infamous for some reason, but it's hardly what I'd consider "ghetto." Never been to BC yet.

Glad to see the thread has been successfully derailed from the recent discussion. :lol
 
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