One of the worst news stories I have ever read.

[crows]

Blaming the infant victim - thinly veneered caveats aside - beggars belief. It is appalling and pathetic, and frankly, beneath contempt.

some of you were asking before what "Rape Culture" means. Well, I think what he said is part of what it means. It means blaming the victim. It is always the Victim's fault for some people. The way a girl dresses or behaves. At least that's how some people described it.

Kind of like when those high school football players were found guilty and a lot of people started harassing and calling the girl they abused. Like it was her fault or something.

 

[jonny88]

Oddly enough I have heard the same thing Blackthornone is saying.

Some people believe that your soul meets with your parents, your siblings and your friends before being born.
I heard how souls will meet and discuss how their lives are going to be planned out.

So all the homless kids in Africa, looking through the garbage dump every morning looking for breakfast, a soul choose that kind of life? Okay then.

 

[crows]

So all the homless kids in Africa, looking through the garbage dump every morning looking for breakfast, a soul choose that kind of life? Okay then.

That's what some believe yes lol.

I have also heard some people say that people like those kids in Africa are people that came back to life to pay for something that they did in a "past life"
That their lives today are some sort of punishment for something they have to pay.
I remember reading how some girl on facebook used to say that people with disabilities were playing for something and that she would never help them because helping them would be going against "God's will"

I know

 

[devilof76]

a perfect evaluation. on a personal note, i'm a big fan of your work mr. devil!!

Thanks. Just keeping the dream alive.

america went from barbarity to decadence without civilization inbetween....thats an important difference.

You don't know a god damned thing about this country.

If you believe in free will, how could she not know what kind of soul that woman was when she was considering her to be her mother?

I believe in free will and I think I've already explained to the moon and back why this is patently crazy.

 

[CelticPredator]

I wonder if **** has a soul.

 

[batfan08]

I never thought in a million years that I would say this, but this thread is kind of hilarious. It's tragic, but the rampant stupidity surrounding it is pure, comic gold.

 

[CelticPredator]

In the absence of light. Comedy prevails

 

[fosing]

The baby didn't rape and kill itself, so it wasn't her fault. The mother and her boyfriend did it. They are at fault. She did however make a very unwise choice of mother. Evil is still evil regardless of compliance or agreement or providing the opportunity. The soul who was baby was naive at the very best. Free will.

millions of sperm and it had to be you.

against all odds ending in someone's mouth. a napkin. an underwear. the bloody sheets. a condom.

wow. just wow.

 

[CelticPredator]

That's the best insult i've ever seen on this forum. The hands down best.

 

[dsokyra]

I wish I hadn't read that story.

 

[Nacho]

I wish I hadn't read that story.

Same here.. WTF!!!!

 

[Blackthornone]

millions of sperm and it had to be you.

against all odds ending in someone's mouth. a napkin. an underwear. the bloody sheets. a condom.

wow. just wow.

You don't understand. Firstly, the identity isn't determined by which sperm. It is determined by the soul. The soul does not occupy the sperm, it only comes in after the fetus starts to develop. There are not millions of souls attached to millions of sperm. You are wrong. Furthermore, because I doubt my mother even did oral, and because I was planned, there was no oral or napkins, underwear, sheets, condom, or even kleenex.
You don't understand what you are talking about. It isn't even a funny insult because there is absolutely no truth to it at all. However, it COULD be applied to an accidental pregnancy.
Such failure.

Personality is not determined by genetics. Size and strength and overall appearance are, however the personality is not.


So you think that it is less objectionable that the soul of the baby could have no say in picking this mother?

 

[devilof76]

A baby is born with the potential for consciousness. Your consciousness is your soul. A soul has zero identity until it has been conscious of something, and differentiated awareness does not begin until after birth. You want to claim otherwise, then prove it. Until then, you or whoever you learned this from is just making **** up.

 

[Blackthornone]

A baby is born with the potential for consciousness. Your consciousness is your soul. A soul has zero identity until it has been conscious of something, and differentiated awareness does not begin until after birth. You want to claim otherwise, then prove it. Until then, you or whoever you learned this from is just making **** up.

You are saying that the soul is created at birth and by implication, dies upon the death of the body. Basically you are saying there is no soul. A soul is not another form of consciousness. Consciousness is a very broad term that could simply mean waking up from sleep, or being unconscious.

If you are saying that a soul is created at birth, then you are saying that human beings create souls when they have children. I do not believe any human being has the ability to create a soul. Human beings lack the supernatural power to do this.

Human beings PRO-create. They don't create.

 

[fosing]

You don't understand. Firstly, the identity isn't determined by which sperm. It is determined by the soul. The soul does not occupy the sperm, it only comes in after the fetus starts to develop. There are not millions of souls attached to millions of sperm. You are wrong. Furthermore, because I doubt my mother even did oral, and because I was planned, there was no oral or napkins, underwear, sheets, condom, or even kleenex.
You don't understand what you are talking about. It isn't even a funny insult because there is absolutely no truth to it at all. However, it COULD be applied to an accidental pregnancy.
Such failure.

Personality is not determined by genetics. Size and strength and overall appearance are, however the personality is not.


So you think that it is less objectionable that the soul of the baby could have no say in picking this mother?

crap, even toilet paper cant clean this off my screen.

lemme ask you...

were you from the right or the left nut?

 

[Blackthornone]

A baby is born with the potential for consciousness. Your consciousness is your soul. A soul has zero identity until it has been conscious of something, and differentiated awareness does not begin until after birth. You want to claim otherwise, then prove it. Until then, you or whoever you learned this from is just making **** up.

By saying there is no soul or that the soul is created from birth, you postulate that everything about the self comes from the physical. You imply therefore that all of reality is a closed system.

Therefore, everything in the future is determined entirely by what happened in the past, as the inertia of past events creates "new" ones.

The entirety of the design of the present is therefore determined by the design of the past, down to the smallest detail, because it is a closed system, not acted upon by any outside force to influence it in any way other than the materials and design of the past determined that it unfold.

Thus, you are saying, in effect that everything in the world is predetermined and that there is no free will, much like in a video game.

Because video games exist and operate as they do, clearly it is possible that such a closed system could exist.

If you believe that everything is predetermined like this, I really don't see how I can disprove this, for it would be a totally logical hypothesis.

 

[Blackthornone]

crap, even toilet paper cant clean this off my screen.

lemme ask you...

were you from the right or the left nut?

Toilet paper isn't soft enough to prevent marring on a plastic screen. Any habitual cleaning with that method will result in fine scratches which will make the screen far more difficult to clean in the future. Perhaps that is your actual problem. I suggest a soft cloth and a mild cleaning solution with lubricants to deter any future scratching.


I've never cared whether the sperm that made my body was from the right or the left. I must confess I have never even thought about it.

 

[occulum]

I dont discount your line of thought, but it gets ridiculous when you suggest a soul makes a conscious decision as to which body it goes into like someone picking out a burger at McDonalds...

 

[Blackthornone]

A baby is born with the potential for consciousness. Your consciousness is your soul. A soul has zero identity until it has been conscious of something, and differentiated awareness does not begin until after birth. You want to claim otherwise, then prove it. Until then, you or whoever you learned this from is just making **** up.

According to logical implications of your view, everything is scripted. Everything we say and do in the future is already determined. We, in our ignorance simply don't know what that is, yet.

There is nothing ever anything new, only what is "new" to each person, because of their ignorance. You cannot have free will if the ultimate source of that will is entirely determined by environment which it came from.

Our bodies came from our parent's bodies which came from their parents, and so on. They all reacted to their environment, which was determined by the way that environment was before. Everything in the present is therefore determined by the inertia of everything past.

There is no logical basis therefore for your belief in free will according to your belief that the soul is created at birth. Your belief in free will therefore relies completely on conventionalism, and not logic or reason. The conventionalist belief in free will is based upon the acknowledgment of the soul to some degree.

 

[Blackthornone]

I dont discount your line of thought, but it gets ridiculous when you suggest a soul makes a conscious decision as to which body it goes into like someone picking out a burger at McDonalds...

It isn't like that. It is souls meeting each other and then making a deal to be the child and the parent. After the two or perhaps 3, the father included, all realize that they want to be a family, the parent says I'll do this, and the child likely makes promises, too. It is possible that this woman promised to be a good mother to this soul before she was born, but how could a woman like this be perceived to have any credibility as far as doing the right thing? She doesn't look like sound mother material to me. Remember, people get married and then get divorced, and they agreed to be married for life. A lot of the time, the separation is worse than that, such as the husband killing the wife.