Pirates of the Caribbean 4

[devilof76]

Agen.

Elizabeth as a pirate lord....how I despised that whole plot. It was just another useless time waster - the entire pirate lord plot goes absolutely nowhere. They do nothing to contribute in the final battle, and at the meeting they're played up for laughs - I can't see any of them committting actual piracy and living to tell the tale. It was just more silliness.

It wasn't silly. And it went anywhere but nowhere. Her crowning as King of the Brethren Court is what unified the pirate lords to stand up to the EIC armada, even though it was a battle they knew they'd lose. It gave them the opening they needed to release Calypso and win the Dutchman, which gave them the advantage over Beckett's flagship to claim victory.

I don't know what to say about how much a bunch of clowns the Brethren were. I didn't see much difference between them and Jack or Barbossa, and there was never anything in their clownishness that disqualified them from being cutthroats. Teague certainly didn't come across as a joke, and his was the most token appearance out of them all.

 

[Josette]

They stood up to them alright.....by hanging back and doing nothing.

We're just going to disagree on this topic. I'm not a fan of the sequels, feel they were a disappointment, and that the only character done justice from the original film was Will Turner. I think there was too much silliness and filler material like Feng and the Bretheren Court, and that the movies collapsed under their own overbloated weight in the same vein of Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions. Bigger and more crazy doesn't always = better, but in most cases that's what movie studios always seem to go with.

 

[ProgMatinee]

imo the sequels were horrible. i haven't seen the 3rd one since it was in the theaters. it was just too clunky. the part with jack alone on the island seemed to last forever. i was getting uncomfortable in the theater watching it train wreck.

the first one was so brilliant.

 

[devilof76]

They stood up to them alright.....by hanging back and doing nothing.

If they had fought, they would have lost. The point was that they were willing to, knowing that they would lose. The fact that the contest was decided between the Pearl and the Dutchman allowed them to survive. Why save the seas for dead pirates?

But I have no problem if you don't like it. I'm just saying.

 

[Agent0028]

The brethern court sequence is actually something I would use to show Jack's cunning. Did he not distract them so he didn't have to hand over his piece of eight? Did he not manipulate the brethern court into voting for a king and surprise them by actually not voting for himself? And its complex so I can't recall exactly how it all played out but as I recall Elizabeth being crowned pirate king further served his own agenda of getting his hands on Davy Jones' heart.

 

[hunnipot85]

https://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1634348/20100319/story.jhtml

It's official... Penelope Cruz is in the PotC 4.

 

[Darth Madden]

Daughter of Blackbeard... this is going to be sweet.

 

[Batfreak]

cant say im a huge cruz fan (didnt she date tom cruise at some point?) but it certainly is a curious casting decision. they were both together in Blow, which i never saw but it looked weird.

as for the the pirates films, love'em. yes the sequels too. i thought they were epic and fun and the love story didnt end all sappy-happy like most disney movies do. it was bittersweet. they were funny, creepy, very adventuours and i just loved them and certainly am looking foward to a 4th movie, which i must admit i didnt see coming since the 3rd movie seemed pretty final to me.

i still dont get the whole thing with will coming back though. when he comes back after 10 years at sea, does he stay with her permantly or just for that day? throughout the movies they say "the dutchman needs a captain for ALL ETERNITY" but then at the end his father says "10 years is a steep price to pay" and will turner says something like "it depends on the one day". meaning, if she waits for him, he returns for good? or just for the oen day? i remember reading online something about that the writers said that the green glow signals a soul returning, so when he comes back after 10 years it means hes back for good and not just for the one day. but on the DVD booklet, that question was asked and it said something like "the dutchman needs a captain for eternity". so whos right? lol.

 

[Darth Madden]

I figured he only comes back for one day every 10 years.

 

[snoop101]

they were both together in Blow, which i never saw but it looked weird.

Blow is an awesome movie! You should definitely check it out bro!

 

[darthviper107]

I wonder what happens if he steps on land anyways?

 

[Agent0028]

All he needs is a bucket of water. Worked for Davy Jones.

 

[MaulFan]

i still dont get the whole thing with will coming back though. when he comes back after 10 years at sea, does he stay with her permantly or just for that day? throughout the movies they say "the dutchman needs a captain for ALL ETERNITY" but then at the end his father says "10 years is a steep price to pay" and will turner says something like "it depends on the one day". meaning, if she waits for him, he returns for good? or just for the oen day? i remember reading online something about that the writers said that the green glow signals a soul returning, so when he comes back after 10 years it means hes back for good and not just for the one day. but on the DVD booklet, that question was asked and it said something like "the dutchman needs a captain for eternity". so whos right? lol.

You have to follow all the dialogue about it, from Jones, from Tia Dalma and from Bootstrap. Bootstrap says to Will, 1 day ashore, 10 years at sea, Tial Dalma says how once every ten years, Davy could come ashore. The captain of the Dutchmen is forever her captain, but once every 10 years, he has a day he can spend on shore, but then like at the end of AWE, he returns to the ship. Will's first day as captain was his day on the beach with Elizabeth, then off he went, never to see her again until the end of credits scene where it's 10 years later and his first time to her again. What Will means about depends on the one day, is that even if he has to spend 10 years without Elizabeth, if in the 24 hours ashore he gets with her, they live it up for all it's worth, then it can make that 10 year gap in between bearable. It's a sappy love thing, that if you're so deeply in love with someone, one day can feel like a lifetime, so once every 10 years isn't so bad.

 

[MaulFan]

I wonder what happens if he steps on land anyways?

Probably die or something really horrible. Davy and his crew turned to fish people because he stopped ferrying souls like he was supposed to and cut out his heart, and becoming inhuman was his punishment

 

[Superman]

You have to follow all the dialogue about it, from Jones, from Tia Dalma and from Bootstrap. Bootstrap says to Will, 1 day ashore, 10 years at sea, Tial Dalma says how once every ten years, Davy could come ashore. The captain of the Dutchmen is forever her captain, but once every 10 years, he has a day he can spend on shore, but then like at the end of AWE, he returns to the ship. Will's first day as captain was his day on the beach with Elizabeth, then off he went, never to see her again until the end of credits scene where it's 10 years later and his first time to her again. What Will means about depends on the one day, is that even if he has to spend 10 years without Elizabeth, if in the 24 hours ashore he gets with her, they live it up for all it's worth, then it can make that 10 year gap in between bearable. It's a sappy love thing, that if you're so deeply in love with someone, one day can feel like a lifetime, so once every 10 years isn't so bad.

I thought it was horrible ending. She should have become a part of the ship so they could spend eternity together, that would have been a better ending..

 

[MaulFan]

I wouldn't change the end, but I do wonder, how does one become a member of the Dutchmen crew, in DMC, it basically seems like the crew are people about to die that he offered to either serve him or go to hell or something of that sort, but like when Will becomes captain he tells his father he's no longer bound by his oath and all. The POTC sequels really require you to set thought aside and just absorb things at face value, there are a lot of holes in the mythology if you stop to think about it.

 

[Darth Madden]

I wouldn't change the end, but I do wonder, how does one become a member of the Dutchmen crew, in DMC, it basically seems like the crew are people about to die that he offered to either serve him or go to hell or something of that sort, but like when Will becomes captain he tells his father he's no longer bound by his oath and all. The POTC sequels really require you to set thought aside and just absorb things at face value, there are a lot of holes in the mythology if you stop to think about it.

I just thought that the captain could grant clemency to people (like dad) but Davy was such an ass he just never did.

 

[MaulFan]

Yeah but what I don't get is how do they get on the crew in the first place, in DMC they're enlisted through an ultimatum, but that's when Davy is corrupt and has corruped the Dutchmen's purpose, I just wonder how the crew is selected under normal circumstances. The Dutchmen and Calypso mythologies could probably take 3-4 movies really show and explain them, or at least some lengthy exposition scene to explain them more than the faster paced telling got into.

 

[Agent0028]

I thought it was horrible ending. She should have become a part of the ship so they could spend eternity together, that would have been a better ending..

I like this one because it is more epic and makes Will into a tragic hero.

 

[Entropy]

Bootstrap's contract was effectively up with the Capt switch and his being healed, he could return to normal life I suppose. Why his oath of eternal servitude is lifted isn't exactly clear, as much of the sequels, but I assume it's because the oath was to Jones and not the ship and so it was broken with Jones' death.

The people that made a deal to serve with Davy were about to die because he was going to kill them. If they joined the crew, he would spare their lives and let them go after their contract was up. He was manipulating their actions with fear of death just as Beckett, or whomever possessed the heart, could do with Davy.


And the melancholy conclusion of AWE was one of the strongest bits, an ending with Liz and Will sailing the seas together would've been super crap.