Pirates of the Caribbean 4

[devilof76]

No kidding. I kind of assumed that they tried their hardest to be as believable as possible, but I also assumed that the finer character points exhibited were necessary for the story, and not so much a reflection of the reality. When you compare them to modern pirates, there's a stark contrast.

 

[MaulFan]

I'm amazed out how organized that organized crime is, you'd think there'd be a constant struggle over being captain or leader or whatever, like in Curse when Barbossa says let any man who challenges me step forward, if they weren't immortal, what would really stop any of them from shooting him and killing him, it's amazing that in organizations bent on greed and power, there is still a repsect for a chain of command.

 

[devilof76]

I think there's a natural pyramid of ability in any group of people. If I were an incapable leader and shot the captain dead in front of the whole crew, I would be very concerned for my safety now that all who feared and respected him now have no one to fear and respect. If I had not already proven that I could do his job better, I would probably be dead before the captain hit the deck.

 

[Batfreak]

Now you're just being crazy.

i knew you would say something lol. but to each there own. i cant stant that hoe.

 

[MaulFan]

That's what I mean though, I'm amazed they manage to stay together and it doesn't end up in a shootout where everyone's dead. Just seems odd that criminals can understand the need for a smooth working group and chain of command where you see honest business people who fend only for themselves and would happily knock off everyone else around them not realizing all those people are necessary too

 

[devilof76]

Ha. Well, business people seem to get more and more stupid as the years go on. I think they've taken their situation for granted whereas a pirate knows how close rock bottom can get in the blink of an eye.

Back in the first days of real businessmen (they are a relatively new breed of professional) they were a lot more reality oriented and that's probably why they were considered little better than brigands.

 

[hunnipot85]

i knew you would say something lol. but to each there own. i cant stant that hoe.

there's tons of people who find her ugly, but you really think she's worse than dunst?! that's why i

 

[Batfreak]

yeah, cutler beckett was actually really smart in the film, he was probably one of the first "buisnessmen". i gotta say that character was so nasty and i liked how he used his brain and not just guns a blazing like the pirates. "its just good buisness". beckett was a badass.

 

[Batfreak]

there's tons of people who find her ugly, but you really think she's worse than dunst?! that's why i

well im glad im not alone in that.

that is a purposley bad picture. but im talking about dunst when she was younger, not "todays" dunst. something happened to her and she got weird looking, but dunst of the late 90's/early 2000's was way hotter then johansen.

 

[The Mike]

Dunst is a troll. Never understood how some would consider even kissing her let alone packing the groceries in her bag.

As for Cruz, I'm still not sure whether I wouldn't kick this out of bed or push it away with a stick but I'm willing to find out. So Penelope if you come across this post I'm willing to let you have sex with me. Just let me know where.

 

[Batfreak]

its not her body, its her face. she just has that pointy loud mexican thing about her.


as for johansen...





and you say dunst is bad....for shame. at least dunst USED to be cute


cant say the same for johansen.

 

[Darth Madden]

someone should find that website where the writers for AWE and the pirates films explain that when he does come back, he actually stays with liz. i know its out there somewhere....ppl on imdb were talking about it after the film came out.

as for bootstrap, he obviously chose to stay on the dutchman. whether he was still the undead or not, i dont know, but it seems to me that he has got to still be the undead to sail with the dutchman.

Well according to the insert that comes with the "At Worlds End" Blu-Ray (Yes I just got it) Every 10 years Will may step on land for one day. He is bound to the Flying Dutchman forever.

And yes Wills father is not alive. He and the rest of the crew are in a state between living and dead.

 

[MaulFan]

Maybe someone with the Blu Ray can answer, I was going to watch AWE last night with commentary and there isn't any, is the Blu Ray different? I have the 2 disc DVD so I figure if it's not on that, it's not on any DVD, but mabye the Blu Ray has one.

 

[IronFingaz]

Maybe someone with the Blu Ray can answer, I was going to watch AWE last night with commentary and there isn't any, is the Blu Ray different? I have the 2 disc DVD so I figure if it's not on that, it's not on any DVD, but mabye the Blu Ray has one.

I don't have it on Blu-Ray (yet) but from reviews and the back cover, it doesnt look like there is any.

 

[MaulFan]

That sucks. My favorite is Curse getting to hear Johnny reflect, but I was actually hoping to listen to the writers, it sounds like a lot of clarity to the events of DMC, and likely AWE, was lost because of time constraints on the movie, seems like that plotline could have been a trilogy of its own.

 

[devilof76]

yeah, cutler beckett was actually really smart in the film, he was probably one of the first "buisnessmen". i gotta say that character was so nasty and i liked how he used his brain and not just guns a blazing like the pirates. "its just good buisness". beckett was a badass.

He was a seriously formidable villain, but he was more of an old school bureaucrat. The businessmen I'm thinking of were guys like J.P. Morgan, John Rockefeller and James J. Hill, and interestingly enough, they invariably found themselves in the bureaucrats crosshairs. You'd think they actually were pirates for the way they were persecuted.

This makes me realize how great this trilogy was. It has the same kind of applicability that Tolkien used to say Lord of the Rings had whenever people accused him of being allegorical. As entertaining as it was, its meaning gives it the potential to go so much deeper than pirates.

 

[MaulFan]

I think the only flaw really with the Pirates trilogy was the broken aspects of the mythology behind 2 and 3. Had that been more clearly laid out, as it is quite complex, then I think it would have worked better. I really think it's a trilogy story that was crammed into 2 films and because of editing there are wholes that make it feel iffy for people. The problem is you can't slice up the movie and make the best calls for what information needs to stay and what can go sometimes because you still know the missing pieces in your head so you can't experience the pieces you keep without that so you don't full get how confused the audience might be.

 

[Agent0028]

I think another thing that lost people in 3 is all the double crossing and everyones motivations. It really takes a few viewing to understand it all. Personally the first time I watched it, I found it much simpler to not try to follow the crosses as just except that as a bunch of pirates its to be expected from them.

 

[MaulFan]

Yeah, I didn't care for AWE until the second time once I knew all the pieces and wasn't trying to figure them out and keep up with the movie at the same time.

 

[The Mike]

AWE for me was always the weakest of the bunch. All of the double crossing and underhanded deals became annoying even though it was supposd to be done in a "tongue in cheek" style of farce. I loved the inclusion of Davy Jones but honestly the move to more fantasy with Calypso and the Davy Jones' heart plot elements made it more laughable. Essentially instead of ramping up I think both sequels would have been better off going subtile. Between Davy Jones and Calypso and the Netherworld and the Pirate Kings and conclusion of the personal storylines there was too much going on whereas the first film had a fairly clear plot that seemed to all be cohesive.