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I think the forehead needs more work


Hope my 2 cents is welcomed Chris

BTW, I gladly accept all "2 cents"!! :D That's the idea, here, an open exchange of ideas to make it a better sculpt. I expect you guys to keep me on my toes... :whip

This is actually the most exciting part of the process when I get to see it from other people's point of view! It's invigorating!! Kind of sad, I know, when you get your jollies out of people critiquing your work. I need to get out more...
 
There may be a foreshortening issue with the photo on the monitor. We are looking down slightly on Kirk in that photo. That makes his face appear a little squatter than the sculpt. When compared with dead on profiles, for example, the sculpt is exactly the same length as Kirk.

One of the techniques I use (as well as good old fashioned measuring!) is to hold the sculpt up to a photo and overlap it then allow my focus to pass back and forth from sculpt to photo, sculpt to photo. This helps keep the sculpt in line with the proportions of the subject. However, perhaps there is a slight width difference across the cheeks or jowls? Of course, it doesn't help that Shatner tended to put weight on during the series. Most of my reference was captured from "The trouble with Tribbles" along with other photos garnered from the net.

Please explain about the forehead a little more. Where do you see it as concave?

Sorry Chris (bare in mind Im not a sculptor or football player but I seem to have opinions on them and that opinions are like arseholes - everyones got one)

What I felt was the sculpt was to long, shatners hair is now gone and this could come across in the sculpt, maybe do him bald and put a toupee sculpt on him (no joke) that way you can get the headsculpt proportion right, and mold the hair on after, not exactly young kirk but it might be another way to go to get to a young kirk

The current sculpted hairline and shape of the forehead made his head look longer than I 'remembered'
 
Sorry Chris (bare in mind Im not a sculptor or football player but I seem to have opinions on them and that opinions are like arseholes - everyones got one)

What I felt was the sculpt was to long, shatners hair is now gone and this could come across in the sculpt, maybe do him bald and put a toupee sculpt on him (no joke) that way you can get the headsculpt proportion right, and mold the hair on after, not exactly young kirk but it might be another way to go to get to a young kirk

The current sculpted hairline and shape of the forehead made his head look longer than I 'remembered'

Actually, that's what I do, sculpt the bald head first. I joked to my wife that now I know what Shatner looks like without his toupee! Perhaps it's the particular toupee.... he seems to have had a few different hairpieces through the years. So, the question becomes, which rug to go with?
 
He was porky little guy wasnt he, tend to forget

Hey, now, watch it!! Us porky guys are sensitive about these things!! :rotfl

Apparently he would arrive at the beginning of shooting each season in shape, only to start plumping up as time went on, eventually needing a girdle. Whereas, I prefer to maintain a zoftig physique year round. :rolleyes:

Keep it coming, my friends! All will be absorbed and digested. In the mean time, I'm trying to get Bones ready to show for his first round. Should have him later today or tomorrow if the gods of sculpting continue to smile upon me.
 
Here are a few screencaps from some random episodes. As you can see in the first one, he did have a more normal style in some early episodes which was what I was remembering, but the crescent is the most common. The only thing is that I think the version on the sculpt seems too prominent, with the hard outline around it. And yes, his forehead does seem too concave in the sculpt when you compare it here. His ear appears slightly too big as well.

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Hello Chris!
Good to see back!

Thanks for the great WIP pics.

Here's my 2 cents worth:
- Agree with the "curl". I do believe it adds "character" to the sculpt, but it seems a bit much. Maybe try a shorter "curl" before doing away with it completely?
- I think the nose is a bit too wide, especially at the bridge. Also, I think his nose has a bit more of an "upturn" when viewed from profile, not so straight.
- I like the long, triangular sideburns...
- Finally, I think there's something odd going on with the lips. Can't quite put my finger on it, but it looks like he has a bit of a snarl...

Thanks a lot, looking forward to seeing the other sculpts!

P.S. I sent you an e-mail a while ago and also tried to PM you, have you cleared your inbox?
Thanks man!
 
great "first draft" Chris! And good to have you back. We were starting to get worried. I sent you an email a while back too.

Most of my comments are from the side profile pics.

1. Agree on hair curl like everyone else
2. i like the curled sideburns, but i think the outline is making them look too pronounced
3. top lip is protuding out too much
4. forehead a bit too concave - needs to be "flattened"
5. ears need to be smaller
6. either the ears are too far back, or the neck is not thick enough - i'm not sure which one, but if you look at the profile pics, your ears are too close to the back of his head.
7. agree with abake on the nose.

that's all for now! thanks!
 
Looking good so far, I agree with the curl being a bit too pronounced.

As for the sideburns... I like the cresent shaped ones, that was one of the first details on yours that really stuck out to me and I like how that turned out. Can't wait to see the next step in these :rock
 
Chris, is there any way I can get on this list for the set of 3? I know I came up on this late, but I'd love to get in. I sent you an email a little while back and didn't get an answer...

email is wileman(at)gmail.com.

Thanks! And I think the Kirk is a great start! I think the sideburns are excellent...the Trouble with Tribbles shot of him in the pile of tribbles is one of the few iconic profile shots of Kirk, so I say go with it.
 
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Hey guys, I've had an enormous problem with my email ever since Russian Spammers hijacked it a few months back. I've had to set up a bunch of filters which are apparently causing me to miss a lot of legit emails. If you need to get a hold of me, please try directly emailing me at [email protected]. Try keeping the subject line very simple, like "Hello" or something like that. Hopefully that will help get you past the gauntlet.
 
Chris, is there any way I can get on this list for the set of 3? I know I came up on this late, but I'd love to get in. I sent you an email a little while back and didn't get an answer...

email is wileman(at)gmail.com.

Thanks! And I think the Kirk is a great start! I think the sideburns are excellent...the Trouble with Tribbles shot of him in the pile of tribbles is one of the few iconic profile shots of Kirk, so I say go with it.

No problem! Let me set up a new purchase page for the ST heads. I've started to change the way I sell these heads in order to be more organized and streamlined. Later today I should have a page up. You will find it here FOR SALE under "Heads" . It's worked really well so far!
 
Chris-
E-mail sent.
Please let me know if you got it.
Thanks.
 
Hello Chris, finally you are out from your Work Room!

While you are fine tuning Kirk's sculpt, I will post some new phototype pictures.

I believe the boots are in Perfect Shape now...except that "ding-dong" thing on the zipper! I also believe the other items are very good too.
 
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