Preview of PF Abomination is up

[occulum]

I think SS should only sell to you.

Just make 1 piece all for you.

You sound like you have earned that.

QFT ... ... the great Bodie most definitely deserves this ...

 

[Skiman]

Yup,

I think they should raise prices to a point where only residents of Dubai can afford them. How's that for exclusivity.

That's right, this isn't about us, i'm in this so that SS only deals with the wealthiest individuals in the world and I would never have a chance to own a PF.

Add gold and diamonds to each piece of art and be done with it.

Abomination could have diamond nipples and gold teeth.

Red Skull could be holding a faberge egg instead of his cube.

Lower their price, how dare anyone suggest that! Blasphemy onto whomever dared to utter such despicable words!

The worse the world economy gets, the higher their prices should go.

I could care less if I can afford their next PF, I'm content if SS only deals with the wealthiest of the world.

Looks like Bodie and I are in and J is out

j/k

 

[jbinny]

I'm so god damn tired of people crying about high prices on f---ing statues. If you don't need it to stay alive, noone gives a rat's ass if you can afford it or not. This mentality of everyone being entitled to the same nice things that your neighbor has is a HUGE part of the financial problem in our country today. Hell, if a recession is the wakeup call that people need to break their habits of 'keeping up with the Jones' and buying ungodly amounts of LUXURY items on credit like Sideshow PFs and LCD tvs, then so be it.
You don't deserve anything that you didn't work for and can actually pay for.

Sideshow, keep doing what you need to in order to stay in business. ^^^^ these pussies that want to cry about prices.

 

[Darth_Pain]

I'm so god damn tired of people crying about high prices on f---ing statues. If you don't need it to stay alive, noone gives a rat's ass if you can afford it or not. This mentality of everyone being entitled to the same nice things that your neighbor has is a HUGE part of the financial problem in our country today. Hell, if a recession is the wakeup call that people need to break their habits of 'keeping up with the Jones' and buying ungodly amounts of LUXURY items on credit like Sideshow PFs and LCD tvs, then so be it.
You don't deserve anything that you didn't work for and can actually pay for.

Sideshow, keep doing what you need to in order to stay in business. ^^^^ these pussies that want to cry about prices.

Preach it Brother!!
If you can't afford it, why cry about it. Just sell all your cheap stuff to buy that 1 expensive thing you want. That's how I got my CM Predator.



On another note...
Does anybody think this Abom. PF would have sold better or been more popular if it were released back when the Hulk DVD came out? Or maybe even right after the movie?

 

[Chapter 2099]

Preach it Brother!!




On another note...
Does anybody think this Abom. PF would have sold better or been more popular if it were released back when the Hulk DVD came out? Or maybe even right after the movie?

I don't think it would have made a big difference, but it definitely couldn't hurt, especially when you factor in the hype.

 

[The Mike]

I don't think it would have effected sales too much. They didn't really promote the Incredible Hulk too much which effect the box office sales as well as merchandising and a lot of casual fans would have gone "That doesn't look like the movie...." This was made for hardcore Marvel/Hulk fans and that is who is buying it. That wouldn't have changed too much...

 

[jye4ever]

I'm so god damn tired of people crying about high prices on f---ing statues. If you don't need it to stay alive, noone gives a rat's ass if you can afford it or not. This mentality of everyone being entitled to the same nice things that your neighbor has is a HUGE part of the financial problem in our country today. Hell, if a recession is the wakeup call that people need to break their habits of 'keeping up with the Jones' and buying ungodly amounts of LUXURY items on credit like Sideshow PFs and LCD tvs, then so be it.
You don't deserve anything that you didn't work for and can actually pay for.

Sideshow, keep doing what you need to in order to stay in business. ^^^^ these pussies that want to cry about prices.

You're assuming that even the wealthy don't like deals.

You're wrong.

I bet you're the type of hypocrite who breaks all his own rules and words right down to the very last letter aren't you.

You can always tell those types, so easy to be read from 100 miles away.

If you don't give a rats ass what others can or can't afford, what makes you think others give a donkey's ass about your opinion on the financial problems of the world, wake up calls, other peoples habits and SS's health.

Like I said, so easy from so far away.

 

[Blackthornone]

Yes, just like the comic companies and baseball card companies did in the 1990's. Those things are priceless now. Flood the market, Have supply exceed demand, that'll keep us coming back for more. good idea.

No, just have enough supply to meet demand. If you buy something because you really want it and because you think it is worth the price, that is basically all that matters. The quality of the products and the likability of the characters will keep people coming back for more. People don't NEED to eat McDonald's, because it is junk food, and not healthy for them, and yet that business model has made Mc Donalds very profitable.

 

[Blackthornone]

I would NOT want that to happen. I don't mind paying more for lower ES.

Do you want the piece for what it inherently IS as art, which is to say, a 3D representation of something you like, to display in your home, or do you just want it because it is worth money? LOW es and higher prices guarantee recasters, but high es and low prices prevent recasters, because no one can afford to produce a product cheaper than the original company making it and selling it for a fair price. In that case, ONLY sideshow makes the money, and every statue out there is of high quality, which will ensure that no one will confuse the less quality of a fake with the high quality that the original company produces. If you just want something because it is rare, I submit that you don't really want it for it, but for the money it represents. I wouldn't want a lot of my money tied up in these things for their investment value, because thery take up too much space.

 

[jbinny]

You're assuming that even the wealthy don't like deals.

You're wrong.

I bet you're the type of hypocrite who breaks all his own rules and words right down to the very last letter aren't you.

You can always tell those types, so easy to be read from 100 miles away.

If you don't give a rats ass what others can or can't afford, what makes you think others give a donkey's ass about your opinion on the financial problems of the world, wake up calls, other peoples habits and SS's health.

Like I said, so easy from so far away.

Noone ever said that people with larger amounts of disposable income don't like getting good deals.

Breaks my own rules, you mean the ones about living beyond your means? Hardly... the only reason I even use a credit card is for buyer protection. It never carries a balance.

My OPINION on financial problems and people needing a wake up call from their ridiculous spending habits? Why do you think that we're in this financial mess as a country right now? Try asking the people who live on credit. Houses and even cars are one thing, but I'd be willing to bet my entire collection that most credit card debt isn't a result of buying stuff that people actually NEED like food and clothing.

 

[Blackthornone]

producing more and flooding the market would be the best way to kill the longevity of their product and the company.
Look what it did for Sports Cards & Comic Books during their best years. Massed produced and you cant give stuff away from that period cause they were so over produced.

Rare pieces create value and excitement in the hunt to find one. Which in turn generates overall brand hype.
Dropping the ES's would increase the fanbase "want" of items and increasing prices would help compensate their income for the lower ES's.

Id like for them to drop prices so I could buy everything to, but Im talking about whats best for SS, not necessarily the collectors ....

Dropping the es only increases the want for people who aren't really excited about these in the first place. " Ehh, its a pretty nice statue, but I'm not sure I want to pay this much money... Oh? It's super rare? Well, then even though I wasn't really sure I wanted one of these, now that I know they are rare, I want to make sure I get one now, even though I'm not REALLY sure I want one, just to make sure I get one, and to make myself more "SPECIAL" and "important" because I have a rare plastic statue, as if somehow that will make my life more special. " Right.
Obviously, if you make less of something, you need to increase price to help offset the less profit caused by the lower production. The fact is, though,that things become cheaper to make the more you maker of them, and so the more that are made, the less they will cost, and thus the more SS will sell, because they are more affordable, and thus SS will ultimately make more money. This will help them to make more items that people want. I think that's a better situation.

 

[Chapter 2099]

Do you want the piece for what it inherently IS as art, which is to say, a 3D representation of something you like, to display in your home, or do you just want it because it is worth money? LOW es and higher prices guarantee recasters, but high es and low prices prevent recasters, because no one can afford to produce a product cheaper than the original company making it and selling it for a fair price. In that case, ONLY sideshow makes the money, and every statue out there is of high quality, which will ensure that no one will confuse the less quality of a fake with the high quality that the original company produces. If you just want something because it is rare, I submit that you don't really want it for it, but for the money it represents. I wouldn't want a lot of my money tied up in these things for their investment value, because thery take up too much space.

See bold print. You hit it right on the head. I equate lower ES and higher price tags to higher quality. Not always but, most times than not. A perfect example is the Spider-Man vs. Hulk Dio. Exclusives and the IM Comiquette Exclusives. Had it not been for the high quality paint apps. etc. on Sideshow's part, it would be next thing to impossible to distinguish those from a fraud. In terms of collecting, very RARELY will I ever sell a piece and if I do it's either to reinvest the money into another Sideshow piece or move my collection into a different direction. So, making money on these pieces is not a priority for me.

I definitely see your point in terms of ES, etc. However, I just don't mind paying higher prices if it means Sideshow steps up their game in terms of quality and overall "wow-ness." The bigger the "wow" factor, the more difficult recasters will have trying to pass their pieces off as authentic. And if we have smaller ESs, it's much easier to pick off a fraud from the real deal, and most of that has to do with the person who's selling it (ie a collector vs. a random seller.)

And in terms of higher retail prices from Sideshow, I don't mean jacking up prices $100s of dollars. Instead, a price increase to cover increased quality standards is what I feel is more than fair.

 

[jbinny]

No, just have enough supply to meet demand. If you buy something because you really want it and because you think it is worth the price, that is basically all that matters. The quality of the products and the likability of the characters will keep people coming back for more. People don't NEED to eat McDonald's, because it is junk food, and not healthy for them, and yet that business model has made Mc Donalds very profitable.

You also have to look at things in the long run. If Sideshow bases their production run off of pre-orders that reflect an artificial demand, then they'll end up taking a hit from cancellations and resulting shipping/storage fees. I think that they're starting to recognize that, hence the higher prices.
I'm thinking that they might be doing this, in part, to get a feel for their actual sales until the economy stabilizes. Maybe I'm reading into things too much, but that's my take on it.

 

[Blackthornone]

This is high end art.. You sound like a doll collector

High end art is the Mona Lisa, or a Van Gogh. A lot of signed lithographs of paintings cost 20 grand in a gallery. I agree that it's art, but it's only a high end item compared to most other COMIC BOOK items, which were originally intended as children's entertainment. Don't misunderstand me. I really love these comic characters, and I really appreciate the craftsmanship involved in making these, but these are PLASTIC statues, not sculpted marble, solid gold, or even hand carved wood layered in gold leaf. BTW, there is only one GRAIL, which is the Holy Grail, which was the cup that Christ drank from at the Last Supper, which the general public doesn't even SEEN before. Let's get some perspective, here.

 

[Blackthornone]

See bold print. You hit it right on the head. I equate lower ES and higher price tags to higher quality. Not always but, most times than not. A perfect example is the Spider-Man vs. Hulk Dio. Exclusives and the IM Comiquette Exclusives. Had it not been for the high quality paint apps. etc. on Sideshow's part, it would be next thing to impossible to distinguish those from a fraud. In terms of collecting, very RARELY will I ever sell a piece and if I do it's either to reinvest the money into another Sideshow piece or move my collection into a different direction. So, making money on these pieces is not a priority for me.

I definitely see your point in terms of ES, etc. However, I just don't mind paying higher prices if it means Sideshow steps up their game in terms of quality and overall "wow-ness." The bigger the "wow" factor, the more difficult recasters will have trying to pass their pieces off as authentic. And if we have smaller ESs, it's much easier to pick off a fraud from the real deal, and most of that has to do with the person who's selling it (ie a collector vs. a random seller.)

And in terms of higher retail prices from Sideshow, I don't mean jacking up prices $100s of dollars. Instead, a price increase to cover increased quality standards is what I feel is more than fair.

I agree there.

 

[Kibishii]

This was made for hardcore Hulk fans and that is who is buying it. That wouldn't have changed too much...

Yup, people who are major Hulk fans would have bought this regardless of the price... Just like if they make an Apoc or Mr. Sinister PF, hardcore X-Men fans will drop $$$ for it. No one said that PF's are designed to be low cost items...

...so the more that are made, the less they will cost, and thus the more SS will sell, because they are more affordable, and thus SS will ultimately make more money. This will help them to make more items that people want. I think that's a better situation.

Right...tell that to the ton of Sideshow products, with big ES, sitting on the giftcard list or the items that had large ES sitting on eBay for less than retail. I am sure Sideshow and collectors are happy that they made $300+ items with large ES that are now worth less than what people paid for them. Your economic plan is true for items sold at Walmart, but high-end collectibles do not fall into that category. If I wanted cheap products that everyone could easily buy, I would have a Marvel Legends collection.

 

[Blackthornone]

Yup, people who are major Hulk fans would have bought this regardless of the price... Just like if they make an Apoc or Mr. Sinister PF, hardcore X-Men fans will drop $$$ for it. No one said that PF's are designed to be low cost items...



Right...tell that to the ton of Sideshow products, with big ES, sitting on the giftcard list or the items that had large ES sitting on eBay for less than retail. I am sure Sideshow and collectors are happy that they made $300+ items with large ES that are now worth less than what people paid for them. Your economic plan is true for items sold at Walmart, but high-end collectibles do not fall into that category. If I wanted cheap products that everyone could easily buy, I would have a Marvel Legends collection.

That proves they were overpriced at $300. Because they were $300 is why they sold so few. Sell them for $150 and they would sell more, and I bet they would sell so many that they would STILL make more money overall because of the tremendously greater amount of sales.

 

[Bodie The Cursed]

High end art is the Mona Lisa, or a Van Gogh. A lot of signed lithographs of paintings cost 20 grand in a gallery. I agree that it's art, but it's only a high end item compared to most other COMIC BOOK items, which were originally intended as children's entertainment. Don't misunderstand me. I really love these comic characters, and I really appreciate the craftsmanship involved in making these, but these are PLASTIC statues, not sculpted marble, solid gold, or even hand carved wood layered in gold leaf. BTW, there is only one GRAIL, which is the Holy Grail, which was the cup that Christ drank from at the Last Supper, which the general public doesn't even SEEN before. Let's get some perspective, here.

 

[occulum]

yeah ... just check out how good WETA Kong products are doing after the insanely high ES on everything. Im sure all the collectors that paid around or near the initial $500msrp just LOVE seeing it not selling for even $150 now...
... and on top of that how wary collectors were of the pieces they put out post Kong because of those inflated ES's

... I think many are forgetting that a crucial part in collecting is this thing called "value".
You want to destroy the value of everything just so you can have evertyhing .... thats destroying the hobby just to fulfill your own selfish wants ...

 

[Mesa]

I think that if it's a good guy, he should be less expensive so everyone can afford him. But if it's a bad buy, he should be really expensive because people probably shouldn't look up to bad guys and they should be so expensive that only the criminally rich can own them, because that's the only people that would want them anyway.

































If you think I'm being serious, you missed the other thread that was along this train of thought.